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vurt




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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 11:36    Post subject: [Next Gen] The Next Generation Discussion Thread!
http://www.examiner.com/game-news-in-national/amd-xbox-720-graphics-will-look-like-avatar#ixzz1Smcwzkyy


http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/the-computing-power-that-created-avatar-20091224/

"Often each of Avatar’s frames took several hours to render."

"The combination of those machines comprises a total of 40,000 processors along with 104 terabytes of memory"

..but xbox 720 will render all this in realtime (+ unlike movies it will also have AI, physics etc)! Gotta love marketing bullshit sometimes Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 11:39    Post subject:
So wait they are not confirming that they are working on it but somehow already know its capabilities?
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 11:50    Post subject: Re: [XBOX] AMD: Xbox 720 graphics will look like Avatar
vurt wrote:
http://www.examiner.com/game-news-in-national/amd-xbox-720-graphics-will-look-like-avatar#ixzz1Smcwzkyy


http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/the-computing-power-that-created-avatar-20091224/

"Often each of Avatar’s frames took several hours to render."

"The combination of those machines comprises a total of 40,000 processors along with 104 terabytes of memory"

..but xbox 720 will render all this in realtime (+ unlike movies it will also have AI, physics etc)! Gotta love marketing bullshit sometimes Laughing
yes IT will render it in GLORIOUS 3fps ... PC can't do this YEAH YEAH YEAH Laughing
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vurt




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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 12:09    Post subject:
Just think of the possibilities the movie industry could have with only two of those 720's connected.. The level of detail could be hundreds of times better than that of Avatar (if not using realtime rendering). And instead of paying a few million dollars for all the computers, it'll be available for a few hundred bucks.. Mindblowing stuff!

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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 12:22    Post subject:
Yeah, just like the PS2 had Toy Story quality graphics.

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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 14:00    Post subject:
Saner wrote:
Yeah, just like the PS2 had Toy Story quality graphics.

It did! When you played toy story and watched the fmvs.
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 15:01    Post subject:
Im gonna buy it.. lol wut
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 15:33    Post subject:
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Mr_Baggins




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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 15:35    Post subject:
This Cameron guy, such an idiot! He could have waited for a new xbox, pay few hundred bucks and make a movie much cheaper.

11th "Thou shalt not flash"
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 15:54    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
Graphics don't matter to the derps, they're the true master race Cool Face


graphics cannot matter when they're the best!
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Breakneck




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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 22:45    Post subject:
...the A.I. and physics capabilities of the next-gen hardware will allow for every pedestrian in a game such as Grand Theft Auto or Saints Row to have a totally individual mentality, meaning when you shoot a gun or run someone over they don't all just do the same thing. There will be no more mob mentality, where everyone just screams and runs away; every NPC will actually be an individual character.

Now that would be a revolution in video gaming... I wanna see that done rather than better graphics.
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vurt




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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 22:58    Post subject:
That kind of A.I would require a tremendous amount of CPU power, you can see how taxing it is for the CPU even now in games like GTA IV (..or Sims or Oblivion - when many characters are on screen). But yeah, i'd love to see that too. Better AI and better animations first, then they could work on better shaders etc. Graphics is what sells though i believe :/
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 23:00    Post subject:
Same here, more physics stuff(hair,vegetation, water, clothes, particles and DMM like stuff) and improved AI behavior/animations. Though I wouldn't mind if they'd also add true 1080p and higher LODs/range of view.
Having said that, be prepared for the same marketing bullshit they pulled last time with the x360/ps3. Remember Killzone 2 and all those PS3 fake'n'awsum stage demos. Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Jul 2011 23:18    Post subject:
KillZone 2 didn't look that much worse than the renders. Wink

But the individual AI quote is hilarious. Sure, XCox 720 will have Intel Xeon 80-core rack and 10GB RAM to provide enough horsepower and storage for all citizens of GTA to have personality+. Laughing
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cobALT




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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Jul 2011 00:30    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
But the individual AI quote is hilarious. Sure, XCox 720 will have Intel Xeon 80-core rack and 10GB RAM to provide enough horsepower and storage for all citizens of GTA to have personality+. Laughing

Oh but you know they'll have a not_pre-rendered demo showing that at some future E3! Laughing

Srsly though, if you're talking about a crowd of 10-20 NPCs they could achieve that. I don't see why you couldn't achieve that on today's high end PC hardware, so for a next gen console that will launch somewhere in 2013-2014 it could be feasible.

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KillZone 2 didn't look that much worse than the renders. :Wink:

"that much" is key here. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Jul 2011 00:34    Post subject:
There's a difference between 10-20 and 10000-20000.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Jul 2011 00:41    Post subject:
I know, there's a big difference actually, witch is why I'm not defending them or going along with their statement , I'm just stating what's more plausible. Also keep in mind that it's just marketing talk; when the devs says "~20", the marketing clones will run around screaming "20000!!!1".

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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Jul 2011 02:21    Post subject:
Im probably going to buy the PS4, simply because playing online is free and the Xbox only games arent worth owning two consoles for.

And I aint buying the new Wii, they can stick that up their ass.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Jul 2011 02:45    Post subject:
Mantis2K9 wrote:
the Xbox only games arent worth owning two consoles for.


they are when they're free Wink

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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Jul 2011 10:28    Post subject:
When gfx is bad in a less than awesome game then that's all that matters and it cannot be ignored, but if gameplay is deep and awesome then gfx doesn't matter and only graphic whores cares about gfx.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Jul 2011 10:33    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
Mantis2K9 wrote:
the Xbox only games arent worth owning two consoles for.


they are when they're free Wink


Heh, yeah I suppose your right, to be honest I buy most of my games, I kinda use copies as an extended demo, if I like it I buy it, I just bought Hunted after I played the copy for an hour, then chucked the copy in the bin.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 02:56    Post subject:
Mantis2K9 wrote:
nouseforaname wrote:
Mantis2K9 wrote:
the Xbox only games arent worth owning two consoles for.


they are when they're free Wink


Heh, yeah I suppose your right, to be honest I buy most of my games, I kinda use copies as an extended demo, if I like it I buy it, I just bought Hunted after I played the copy for an hour, then chucked the copy in the bin.


You bought....Hunted?

Wow.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 04:34    Post subject:
Mantis2K9 wrote:
nouseforaname wrote:
Mantis2K9 wrote:
the Xbox only games arent worth owning two consoles for.


they are when they're free Wink


Heh, yeah I suppose your right, to be honest I buy most of my games, I kinda use copies as an extended demo, if I like it I buy it, I just bought Hunted after I played the copy for an hour, then chucked the copy in the bin.


most games are as long as an extended demo anyways Wink

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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 13:18    Post subject:
The new xbox will probably be out in year 2020 Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 19:07    Post subject:
Nah, most likely they will announce it at E3 2012 for a release somewhere 2013.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 19:55    Post subject:
No. There are still planned games for development for 2015 targeting current generation of consoles.
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Salseros




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 20:23    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
No. There are still planned games for development for 2015 targeting current generation of consoles.


There are still 2 games coming out for the PS2 this year, Madden NFL 2012 and PES 2012, so that doensn't mean anything. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 20:30    Post subject:
These are crap ripoffs. The 2015 one I remember was the ex-IW employees' company.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 21:47    Post subject:
I think we are good with current consoles. I would hate to buy new console over again... And btw.... new consoles WILL NOT BE "free" Cool Face

They will proboably think of something like ps3 did for first 4 years

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