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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 10:47    Post subject: injectSMAA v1.0 (Subpixel Morphological Antialiasing)
Description
adds "Subpixel Morphological Antialiasing" to an application
is based on "injectFXAA" (written by "some dude")
is supposed to work only with directx 9, directx 10, directx 11, x86 applications
may be incompatible with any other form of antialiasing
SMAA is a very efficient GPU-based MLAA implementation, capable of handling subpixel features seamlessly, and featuring an advanced pattern detection & handling mechanism.
http://www.iryoku.com/smaa/

Download at
http://mrhaandi.blogspot.com/p/injectsmaa.html

FXAA
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 10:48    Post subject:
SMAA
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 10:50    Post subject:
Can't see a difference due to fucking JPG compression. Can you post the original pictures as PNG pls? Smile

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 10:55    Post subject:
Can't download the goddamn mp4 comparison movie t_t.

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 10:56    Post subject:
PumpAction : not my pictures, but if you open both pictures in new window, you will see the difference, SMAA is definitely less blurrier.


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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 10:57    Post subject:
Spaj were you able to download the 224mb movie? Cause when i click the link nothing happens. I just get a huge Quicktime icon and that's it.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 10:58    Post subject:
What? Even with JPG the differences are quite obvious Neutral
- Look at just about any texture; the tree to the left is a good example. Not smeared out with MLAA. Same on the texture on the house to the left for example, or the chimney to the right.
- Same tree's shadow
- All the trees/bushes a bit further away; blurred like crazy with FXAA.

Might give this a go for when there's no MSAA, as it seems to work relatively well. Even the shitty JPG images above show exactly what I've said before though; FXAA just fucks with everything, including things it shouldn't fuck with (textures), as that's in the algorithm's nature. That's why I personally don't like it.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:00    Post subject:
russ80 wrote:
Spaj were you able to download the 224mb movie? Cause when i click the link nothing happens. I just get a huge Quicktime icon and that's it.


Yes, just choose save as option and make sure you have quicktime codec installed or quicktime alternative Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:00    Post subject:
But werelds is it usable in its current form? As in a simple dll that you drop in the games folder and you activate it? Or we gotta wait for someone to implement it like that...

@Spaj i did try that but i only got a 29mb file :S


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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:01    Post subject:
Hmmm... might give this a go on Dragon Knight Saga, it's the ideal test subject.

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:05    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
What? Even with JPG the differences are quite obvious Neutral
- Look at just about any texture; the tree to the left is a good example. Not smeared out with MLAA. Same on the texture on the house to the left for example, or the chimney to the right.
- Same tree's shadow
- All the trees/bushes a bit further away; blurred like crazy with FXAA.

Might give this a go for when there's no MSAA, as it seems to work relatively well. Even the shitty JPG images above show exactly what I've said before though; FXAA just fucks with everything, including things it shouldn't fuck with (textures), as that's in the algorithm's nature. That's why I personally don't like it.


Also worth noting this.:

Originally Posted by CeeJay.dk
I'm working on my own improved and optimized sharpen shader.
It's much faster and has better quality.

I call it LumaSharpen :
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9942986/LumaSharpen.7z

Probably not as good as SMAA, but worth mentioning.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:07    Post subject:
russ80 wrote:
But werelds is it usable in its current form? As in a simple dll that you drop in the games folder and you activate it? Or we gotta wait for someone to implement it like that...

@Spaj i did try that but i only got a 29mb file :S


Its in readme

Install
If the game uses DirectX 9, put all files from the d3d9 directory into the directory containing the game executable.
If the game uses DirectX 10/11, put all files from the d3d10 directory into the directory containing the game executable.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:09    Post subject:
Thanks spaj! At work so couldn't test.

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:22    Post subject:
How much of an impact on fps is this compared to FXAA inject?

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:27    Post subject:
Well judging from the gothic 4 screenshots..fxaa has 31 fps..smaa 30 fps.. so close to 0 Razz

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:29    Post subject:
on 1280x1024...

1080p is a different story.

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 11:34    Post subject:
Gave the link to a friend of mine and he just tested with skyrim. Basically he couldn't notice the performance difference between this and fxaa.

To give you an idea, he plays at 1080p 4xmsaa forced Nvidia AO on quality + this smaa inject on now and his gameplay is smooth on a 560ti. He also uses ultra (shadows on 2048 tho i think) + some ini tweaks for more grids to load/more grass distance etc.

So my guess is it's pretty close. You could also just test it out yourself Razz

PS : There's 1 thing i'm wondering about though. Does the "download" link from the other guy's blog contain the latest code for it? I'm guessing the SMAA 4x is gonna own even better. Basically is it t2x or x1?
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:09    Post subject:
Tololol, wtf is this for crappy inject.

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As for the quality itself (wich is better on itself):

SMAA off: www.vcod.eu/new/SMAA_off.bmp
SMAA on: www.vcod.eu/new/SMAA_on.bmp
FXAA off: www.vcod.eu/new/FXAA_off.bmp
FXAA on: www.vcod.eu/new/FXAA_on.bmp


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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:19    Post subject:
There is less blur because there is significantly less AA as well. FXAA look a lot smoother and alias-less than this SMAA.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:22    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
There is less blur because there is significantly less AA as well. FXAA look a lot smoother and alias-less than this SMAA.


Not really. And considering that FXAA blurs the fuck out of textures compared to this new solution there's no point arguing really. Unless you prefer a total vaseline blur just to get rid of jaggies.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:23    Post subject:
russ80 wrote:
just to get rid of jaggies.


Isn't that the whole goddamn point to any sort of AA? Neutral

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:25    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
russ80 wrote:
just to get rid of jaggies.


Isn't that the whole goddamn point to any sort of AA? Neutral


Yes, but i dont think completely blurring the textures as well was part of the initial point.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:27    Post subject:
i rather have a little bit a blurry then jagged edges tbh.

But i guess that just comes down to personal taste.

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:34    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
Tololol, wtf is this for crappy inject.

Learn to read warnings, it's still under heavy development Wink

iNatan wrote:
There is less blur because there is significantly less AA as well. FXAA look a lot smoother and alias-less than this SMAA.

Which parts aren't anti-aliased that should be anti-aliased then? Things like trees/bushes/fences where FXAA just goes "this shit is too finely detailed - fuck that, smear it"? If that's what you mean, then it's a matter of preference. I for one hate the vaseline; it's FXAA that causes most of it and then you can often enable motion blur on top of it Neutral

I don't use the FXAA inject and the only game where I really kept MLAA enabled (through the driver) because it worked well was Dead Space 2 (the scenes in that game are perfect for post AA because they're boring and bland Razz). If I can, I still use MSAA. I'll take the FPS hit if it means I can avoid the vaseline.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:40    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
sausje wrote:
Tololol, wtf is this for crappy inject.

Learn to read warnings, it's still under heavy development Wink



Psssh, lemme bash on this Razz

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:43    Post subject:
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Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 13:02    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
Tololol, wtf is this for crappy inject.

Can't embed bmp Sad


Post it on smaa commentary window or contact Andrej, if you find any errors.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 13:07    Post subject:
Nice, was waiting for this to happen after I saw the comparisons earlier. Very Happy

EDIT:
http://cheveone.blogspot.com/2011/08/smaa-enhanced-subpixel-morphological.html
http://www.iryoku.com/introducing-subpixel-morphological-antialiasing
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 14:11    Post subject:
Looks more blurry than MLAA and FXAA to me? Not such a fan of even more blur. SSAA still looks best to me but you should have with a 50% performance decrease

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