Should we nuke xvid releases without subs?
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anarxist
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 06:52    Post subject: Should we nuke xvid releases without subs?
What do you think about that?
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 09:04    Post subject:
NO, why would you want english subs on a english movie. Unless it's a jap, dutch, german, french sound movie than there should be subs.


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anarxist
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 09:42    Post subject:
The reasons could be bad hearing or difficulty with understanding spoken english for non english speakers.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 11:31    Post subject:
nah !!
there are plenty of subtitle sites availible on the net with all kinds of subs in diff languages....so if u need to have subs then go take them from the net .
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anarxist
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 11:39    Post subject:
Scaramanga,
If a movie-release is released without subs it stays without subs forever unless
there's a subpack.All these sites, you are talking about, just take subs
from the scene releases & host them.
And you can't take subs from one release & stick it flawlessly to the other.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 12:59    Post subject:
I don't think thats a valid reason ? what next ? spelling mistakes in the subs ?

The way i see it .. the subs are an extra feature.. you should be happy to get.
But that doesn't mean a release gets nuked becuase the subs are missing.

maybe if its a Japanese movie or something


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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 21:44    Post subject:
In my opinion, missing subs should never become a valid reason to nuke.
What do you need them for? If you don't understand the english rls, then get
a localized rls.

As Zeo said, if its a japs movie. it is nice to have subs.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 22:09    Post subject:
Can't see the reason to nuke just for that.


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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004 23:43    Post subject:
If subs are so important to you go buy the dvd,
People who critisize stuff they've leeched for free get no sympathy from me.
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PostPosted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004 10:53    Post subject:
or even better....go rent the movie and extract the subs u need from it and then put it back in ur copy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004 20:35    Post subject:
St@m,
the sympathy of yours is by far no concern of mine.
I want subs in every movie.That's what I want & this is my opinion.
Of course I realise that rules of the scene won't be changed immediately,but
I do my bit here & in other places.
Regards.
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St@m




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PostPosted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004 23:46    Post subject:
I don't want to get into a flaming session but I repeat,
if subs are so important to you buy or rent the release.
The release groups do a damn fine job bringing us movies, if you're not happy with their hard work do a better job yourself.
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Jun 2004 02:13    Post subject:
Not valid enough reason for everyone to nuke releases... If you want subs, then create "subs only" divx/xvid site, tell your affils and nuke everything that doesn't have them...

But, like others have already stated... If you want subs, you can always just rent a movie... Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Jun 2004 05:55    Post subject:
personally I think its rediculous that some groups doesnt rls with subs or rls subpacks.. they're easy and fast to rip so I really see no point in not doing so.. but nuking the releases without subs is never gonna happen scenewise.

ppl should encourage groups for vobsubs from retail rips.. but as already said.. the groups do a fine job (most of the time) as it is... and no one are in their rights bitch or moan about missing features

just my 2 cents


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Jun 2004 11:22    Post subject:
dkkev wrote:
personally I think its rediculous that some groups doesnt rls with subs or rls subpacks.. they're easy and fast to rip so I really see no point in not doing so.. but nuking the releases without subs is never gonna happen scenewise.

ppl should encourage groups for vobsubs from retail rips.. but as already said.. the groups do a fine job (most of the time) as it is... and no one are in their rights bitch or moan about missing features

just my 2 cents


totally agreed. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu, 17th Jun 2004 23:38    Post subject:
djeez,

u want subs, go buy dvd.

But which movie doesnt have movies?
Qix releases sub packs.
and STV, hmm, mostly dont have subs, or they are fucked up

btw the groups that get their hands early on NTSC DVDs, mostly there arent any 'PAL languages' on it :s
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Jun 2004 12:47    Post subject:
Qix is my savior .We love Qix & wish them long life & prosperity.
But not all subless releases are covered with Qix sub repacks.
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Jun 2004 13:04    Post subject:
Guess some people here have never heard of countries that don't speak english.

It's no job at all to include the subs, so saying 'go buy it if you want subs, but it's cool to have subs on jap movie' is silly.

Not a reason to nuke, but would make a lot of people happy.
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CaRaMBa




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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2004 11:07    Post subject:
You gotta nuke it!
there is a big scene of translations from subpacks. many people around the world depend on subpacks. if u wont nuke a rls that dosnt include subs, but was ripped from a dvd that does then the terorists have won! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 25th Jun 2004 16:45    Post subject:
is the problem maybe that some of the divx/xvid releases come from sources that dont have any subs?
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PostPosted: Fri, 25th Jun 2004 23:33    Post subject:
Nope, not a good reason to nuke for me.


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Soyd




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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2004 17:06    Post subject:
mabey not nuke but post it on nforce like this ? :

2004-00-00 XViD MOVIE TITLE (YEAR) *SOURCE* *NOSUBS* 50x15 MB GRP 0.0
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Jun 2004 18:44    Post subject:
Soyd wrote:
mabey not nuke but post it on nforce like this ? :

2004-00-00 XViD MOVIE TITLE (YEAR) *SOURCE* *NOSUBS* 50x15 MB GRP 0.0


Hmmm, thats a good idea I think.


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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jun 2004 09:17    Post subject:
Youguys are seing it the wrong way around.....

A group should NOT be nuked for not releasing subs, but they would be dum not to do so (TDX states that subs should NOT be considered when encoding the movie, so there is NO excuse but lazyness since the sub size is not considered when calc bitrate, and it takes 10mins max).

Instead of trying to nuke groups that DO NOT release subs, why dont we compensate the groups that bring us the subs (a good example in another section is DOX). That way everyone can be happy!


nway..thats my 2c
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jun 2004 19:28    Post subject:
groups are not happy when they get posted on nforce.

Well not that most groups really care, they just dont see it as something to be proud of. So posting their subs on nforce or not, doesnt really matter for theml.

And dont think anyone cares if it on nforce or not. 1st day subs movie gets released the subs are on subs sites anyway.

but it was a good idea, just not very useful. :d
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Jun 2004 10:38    Post subject:
not a reason to nuke it but it subs do come in use from time to time. plus why dont they just put them as a srt or even a txt then u just rename them to a .sub. its so simple. www.divxstation.com is good for some subtitles but there's always 1/10 of my movies i cant find matchin subs for. the framerate is either out or theyre 2 cds and mine is 1 or somethin silly like that. or my movie starts playing 3 seconds sooner so the subs play right just 3 seconds after its been said and idk a quickfix for this coz i see it was though i have to change all the preceedin times for the text to show. if any1 knows a way please tell me.


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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Jun 2004 12:23    Post subject:
Sublime,
Go to http://www.subtitles.co.il
There go to sync subs section & there you can easily sync your subs
whether forward or backward.

The hellboy release by DVP is out today (30-06-04 ).And no subs again.The source is subbed:
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/movie/pid/6745467/a/Hellboy.htm
I got no words.Is it simple lazyness or some principles,that I can't comprehend.
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Jul 2004 00:55    Post subject:
you just forgot that sometimes dvd have no subtitles either, so you cannot rip subs that are not here...but i'm agree anyway that there's no need to nuke for this ....

PS: please all groups, when you rip subs, please just checked that you ripped the good subs, not the "forced subs" (forced subs are translation of a city, a place or stuff like that...and sub contains only this so sometimes it's only 20 lines...not real subs) an example ? AGAINST THE ROPES french ripped subs contained forced sub only...that's too bad Sad

thx for reading me so far Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Jul 2004 10:43    Post subject:
Yeah subs would be nice.

But I think it will be heading more towards the way FTNforum works and similar to what we have here in sweden.

In ftn they have custommade netherland subs to pretty much all movies that are released (even TC, TS). And here in sweden we have something called swesub and that is the subs is merged into the movie so u cannot change it or get rid of it.

So what I am trying to say, localized places/groups/newsgroups etc that translates new releases by themself...
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Jul 2004 13:58    Post subject:
matt_fr,
First of all, I accentuated to nuke releases without subs,if there were any.
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Should xvid releases without subs be nuked (of course if there were subs on DVD being ripped)?
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Second of all, Hellboy source is with subs,but release is without.
Third of all,I really can't understand non-english speakers,that say: "Oh yes I love subs & want subs in every release,but to nuke for absence of subs is no go".Don't you people want to fight for your right to enjoy the movies,the way native english speakers do.If you want ,than vote for nuke.In any case ,I don't
really believe that releases would be nuked for absence of subs.But if we all
say "Yay" the release groups might listen to it.And if we shut up,then the situation'll even go worse.Fewer & fewer movies come with subs(whilst sources are subbed).So please,non english speakers, start to appreciate the importance of public pressure.
And ,please, don't tell me:" If you that fastidious to scene releases,then go buy
DVD",cause ,as it was stated earlier, to add subs to movie is no job at all.
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