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well i got the vid and its looking better but there's still some major issues. such as straight lines looking fucked from 3 metres away and sound not working right. notice on abt 15 seconds when he jumps in the water there is a clear delay. When hes looking at the screen the bottom writing appears as though its off the screen sorta in 3D - another bad thing. i still dont think this is good enough to compete with source.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 00:21 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | well i got the vid and its looking better but there's still some major issues. such as straight lines looking fucked from 3 metres away and sound not working right. notice on abt 15 seconds when he jumps in the water there is a clear delay. When hes looking at the screen the bottom writing appears as though its off the screen sorta in 3D - another bad thing. i still dont think this is good enough to compete with source. |
Lmao, Like I said, The video quality is not great. Run the thing your self. That is all issues with the video and audio being very lossy. And if you dont think that is not good enough to compete with source, thats like denying your own birth.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 00:26 Post subject: |
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We've got a "no more HL2 threads" rule, I'm waiting for a "no more D3CDI threads" rule.
Seriously, the last thread about this turned into an engine food-fight, and I can smell this one doing the same. I think we've all been informed of the existance of D3CDI... if every mod spammed it's progress this way, we'd need a bigger server.
And I mean no offence to you, mchart. I know the amount of work that goes into a mod. The amount of code that went into this I can only imagine, but if it will become another "d3 pwnz @11" "n0 HL2 iz t3h pwnz @11z0r" thread, I'd rather not see it start.
OTOH, nice progress.
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Dunge
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 00:29 Post subject: |
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Damn Mchart I don't know what ID paid you but you seem really ADDICTED to the doom3 engine, like if it's your god or something. Just accept the facts, some things are better in one engine and some others things are better in another engine. (im my opinion the num of these things in source is > than in doom3)
I didn't took the time to check that vid since the last one was complete waste of time (5min of the same fucking thing about the sun rotating around the map,.. yeah it's great and shadows are great but man come on this is a small detail compared everything a game do)
Yeah I know you will flame me for anything, like you did to everyothers who answered your last thread, which you should have re-used instead of making a new one.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 00:41 Post subject: |
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i like those vids, so keep em coming mchart 
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 00:51 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Sublime wrote: | | well i got the vid and its looking better but there's still some major issues. such as straight lines looking fucked from 3 metres away and sound not working right. notice on abt 15 seconds when he jumps in the water there is a clear delay. When hes looking at the screen the bottom writing appears as though its off the screen sorta in 3D - another bad thing. i still dont think this is good enough to compete with source. |
Lmao, Like I said, The video quality is not great. Run the thing your self. That is all issues with the video and audio being very lossy. And if you dont think that is not good enough to compete with source, thats like denying your own birth. |
my point exactly. Source has it's uses. It's primary use is now - it runs well on older hardware, and it looks pretty decent to boot. That's a good combination for a quick developement cycle that will bring some money to the market. And you may very well see source powering a lot of low-to-medium range titles over the next few years. A heavily modded source could even compete with some next-gen engines (by heavily modded I mean Source with the addition of a few much-needed shaders).
Graphically - yes. Doom 3 takes the cake. It will be humbled by U3E, but for now it takes the cake (if you don't count betas, like SWAT 4). Nevertheless, D3 does not run half as well on a Celeron 2.0GHz w/ 256MB of ram and a Radeon 9200/64 video card as Source, and that would come fairly close to the mid-range "entertainment" PC's the most people have at home now... not everyone has the $ to update their comp to the latest and greatest every 2 months.
Therefore, I see at least a budgetware existance for HL2 over the next few years... and that's a fate that D3 may find itself facing by 2005's end. As a matter of fact, with backing from major titles like SWAT 4, Pariah, DNF, a yet-unnamed RPG by BioWare, and I'm sure many others in the making, I can easily see the U3E turning into this generation's QIII - the versatile, almost "default" engine, and the Doom 3 Engine playing the underdog that U1E was in the time of Deus Ex/QIII.
Of course, it's not what you have... it's what you do with it. That much was proven by HL2 versus the not-so-polished VTMB. D3 may well turn the tables and surprise everybody. As for now, it definitely lacks in the physics department, and it may find itself quickly lacking in others as well.
And, by the way, I've seen/played testmaps/boxstack.map
It's far underdeveloped. Try punching the bricks sideways. You'll find that you can, with a few tries, get most of them to one side without changing the center of gravity for the stack. Utterly unimpressive. You state that "Doom 3 Can Do It". I say D3 could have done better.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 00:56 Post subject: |
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sawt4 graphics? i didnt see anything special there at ALL.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:01 Post subject: |
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| Dunge wrote: | Damn Mchart I don't know what ID paid you but you seem really ADDICTED to the doom3 engine, like if it's your god or something. Just accept the facts, some things are better in one engine and some others things are better in another engine. (im my opinion the num of these things in source is > than in doom3)
I didn't took the time to check that vid since the last one was complete waste of time (5min of the same fucking thing about the sun rotating around the map,.. yeah it's great and shadows are great but man come on this is a small detail compared everything a game do)
Yeah I know you will flame me for anything, like you did to everyothers who answered your last thread, which you should have re-used instead of making a new one. |
Your not forced to read the thread or even listen to me. By the way I started this new thread for the plain fact of showing people an update, because the other one turned to shit.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:08 Post subject: |
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Realistic physics? Given the fact that each of those bricks weighed at least 4 pounds (~2kg), me and anyone who'd ever played Jenga knows what should have happened by now... |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:10 Post subject: |
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actually not always but probably from the positioning on them
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:14 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | sawt4 graphics? i didnt see anything special there at ALL. |
soft shadows, high-quality bump mapping, better-than-Doom 3 performance, superb blur shaders (the glow on the back stripe of the SWAT team members being softened by a shader is memorable), and a few more tricks made that a very well-polished package, IMHO better than Doom 3. Not too sure of the physics since they were virtually non-existant in the demo (except RagDoll, but that's fairly standard)
As for not seeing anything special, have you turned the settings all the way up? |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:18 Post subject: |
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I have an eerie feeling of De Ja Vu....
Im a cockfag
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:19 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | Sublime wrote: | | sawt4 graphics? i didnt see anything special there at ALL. |
soft shadows, high-quality bump mapping, better-than-Doom 3 performance, superb blur shaders (the glow on the back stripe of the SWAT team members being softened by a shader is memorable), and a few more tricks made that a very well-polished package, IMHO better than Doom 3. Not too sure of the physics since they were virtually non-existant in the demo (except RagDoll, but that's fairly standard)
As for not seeing anything special, have you turned the settings all the way up? |
Oh by the way Swat 4 uses a modified UT engine, not to mention it is still not capable of the lighting which the doom3 engine is capable of. Thank You, Please come again.
Game != Engine
I am going to put that in my signature from now on, although I doubt it will actually get through peoples heads.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:30 Post subject: |
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McHart vs. Everyone Else.
Ladies and gentlemen, all bets are off. Let's get ready to Rummble...
As for your smartass comment,
| Accelleron wrote: | | ...from major titles like SWAT 4, Pariah, DNF, a yet-unnamed RPG by BioWare, and I'm sure many others in the making, I can easily see the U3E turning into this generation's QIII... |
I know...
And may I ask, just how did I "own" myself in my posts? it is you who I see contradicting yourself... You're saying "Game does not equal engine", whereas we are making references to qualities of the game engine... such as soft shading, blur shaders, bumpmaps, physics... Did I say "The models and textures of SWAT 4 look purdy"? No. I was making references to it's engine. Read, then reply. In that order.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:33 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | We've got a "no more HL2 threads" rule, I'm waiting for a "no more D3CDI threads" rule.
Seriously, the last thread about this turned into an engine food-fight, and I can smell this one doing the same. I think we've all been informed of the existance of D3CDI... if every mod spammed it's progress this way, we'd need a bigger server.
And I mean no offence to you, mchart. I know the amount of work that goes into a mod. The amount of code that went into this I can only imagine, but if it will become another "d3 pwnz @11" "n0 HL2 iz t3h pwnz @11z0r" thread, I'd rather not see it start.
OTOH, nice progress. |
No further comment needed.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 01:37 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Accelleron wrote: | We've got a "no more HL2 threads" rule, I'm waiting for a "no more D3CDI threads" rule.
Seriously, the last thread about this turned into an engine food-fight, and I can smell this one doing the same. I think we've all been informed of the existance of D3CDI... if every mod spammed it's progress this way, we'd need a bigger server.
And I mean no offence to you, mchart. I know the amount of work that goes into a mod. The amount of code that went into this I can only imagine, but if it will become another "d3 pwnz @11" "n0 HL2 iz t3h pwnz @11z0r" thread, I'd rather not see it start.
OTOH, nice progress. |
No further comment needed. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politeness |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 02:18 Post subject: |
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All that matters is about an engine is whether it can be used for a good game or not.
Source 2 - Vampire/HL2
Doom 0
Im a cockfag
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 06:15 Post subject: |
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| dryan wrote: | All that matters is about an engine is whether it can be used for a good game or not.
Source 2 - Vampire/HL2
Doom 0 |
Once again, we are comparing capability, if we are comparing at all, I dont give a shit if its used in a good game or not, and in my mind I liked doom3 the game better then HL2 anyways. When I buy games, all I want to do is kill shit, no gay puzzles or trying to figure out levels please. I just want to kill shit.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 06:36 Post subject: |
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Smart reply Mchart but I really dont think that many cares about your love for doom 3 :S
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 07:07 Post subject: |
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Didn't I say on the 4th post that this thread was going to hell?
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 07:15 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 08:18 Post subject: |
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| mYslead wrote: | | who said food fight ? |
It's like a food fight, except instead of mashed potatoes, we're throwing engines at each other. There are some people in the thread I wouldn't mind tossing a REAL engine at... the kind that comes in cars and weighs a lot. Those people know who they are. Right, McHart? |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 20:07 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | Sublime wrote: | | sawt4 graphics? i didnt see anything special there at ALL. |
soft shadows, high-quality bump mapping, better-than-Doom 3 performance, superb blur shaders (the glow on the back stripe of the SWAT team members being softened by a shader is memorable), and a few more tricks made that a very well-polished package, IMHO better than Doom 3. Not too sure of the physics since they were virtually non-existant in the demo (except RagDoll, but that's fairly standard)
As for not seeing anything special, have you turned the settings all the way up? |
It looks good, but the weapons look horrible don't you agree? |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 21:58 Post subject: |
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| Pizda2 wrote: | | Accelleron wrote: | | Sublime wrote: | | sawt4 graphics? i didnt see anything special there at ALL. |
soft shadows, high-quality bump mapping, better-than-Doom 3 performance, superb blur shaders (the glow on the back stripe of the SWAT team members being softened by a shader is memorable), and a few more tricks made that a very well-polished package, IMHO better than Doom 3. Not too sure of the physics since they were virtually non-existant in the demo (except RagDoll, but that's fairly standard)
As for not seeing anything special, have you turned the settings all the way up? |
It looks good, but the weapons look horrible don't you agree? |
Once again, weapons are models. They have nothing to do with the engine. They have all the same bump maps and shading, and all of the same shaders as the rest of the world. It's not really the engine's fault that the devs made them look like shit.
Look at CS, for example. The default weapons also look like shit. You can install a model pack that will make the weapons look good, but will that make them soft shaded or bump mapped? No. The engines are a part of the "models" category... you can't judge an engine based on those. |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 22:03 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | Pizda2 wrote: | | Accelleron wrote: | | Sublime wrote: | | sawt4 graphics? i didnt see anything special there at ALL. |
soft shadows, high-quality bump mapping, better-than-Doom 3 performance, superb blur shaders (the glow on the back stripe of the SWAT team members being softened by a shader is memorable), and a few more tricks made that a very well-polished package, IMHO better than Doom 3. Not too sure of the physics since they were virtually non-existant in the demo (except RagDoll, but that's fairly standard)
As for not seeing anything special, have you turned the settings all the way up? |
It looks good, but the weapons look horrible don't you agree? |
Once again, weapons are models. They have nothing to do with the engine. They have all the same bump maps and shading, and all of the same shaders as the rest of the world. It's not really the engine's fault that the devs made them look like shit.
Look at CS, for example. The default weapons also look like shit. You can install a model pack that will make the weapons look good, but will that make them soft shaded or bump mapped? No. The engines are a part of the "models" category... you can't judge an engine based on those. |
This is the perfect example. First you flame me for creating this thread because it will turn into engine wars, then you yourself hijak the thread to create your own engine wars thread.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2005 22:13 Post subject: |
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| Dunge wrote: | Damn Mchart I don't know what ID paid you but you seem really ADDICTED to the doom3 engine, like if it's your god or something. Just accept the facts, some things are better in one engine and some others things are better in another engine. (im my opinion the num of these things in source is > than in doom3)
I didn't took the time to check that vid since the last one was complete waste of time (5min of the same fucking thing about the sun rotating around the map,.. yeah it's great and shadows are great but man come on this is a small detail compared everything a game do)
Yeah I know you will flame me for anything, like you did to everyothers who answered your last thread, which you should have re-used instead of making a new one. |
I didn't start it, Mchart... I merely predicted that it was going to hell... of course, once it went to hell I joined in the festivities, but hey... so did you (and I may say a bit more angstfully)
| Mchart wrote: | | you just owned your self now two times in a row |
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