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Mutantius
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| Quote: | Microsoft is on track to release the first full test version of the next major Windows release by the end of June, a Microsoft executive told CNET News.com on Monday.
The company has said publicly that Beta 1 of Longhorn would arrive by the end of 2005, though internally, the company has been aiming for a release by midyear. The final version of Longhorn is slated for the second half of next year.
"There will be a beta 1 of Longhorn...happening in the first half of this year," John Montgomery, a director in Microsoft's developer division, said during an interview at VSLive, a conference devoted to the company's Visual Studio .Net toolkit. The release will be primarily aimed at developers, Montgomery said. "I do, however, expect that you will find IT departments starting to look at it, kick the tires, figure out what's in it and what's not in it."
Beta 1 will be the first look at Longhorn in its current form. Microsoft released a developer preview version of Windows at the Professional Developers Conference in the fall of 2003 and updated that early code last spring.
However, Longhorn has changed significantly since then, with Microsoft announcing changes in August affecting all three of the key pillars of Longhorn. Two of the components--a presentation engine called Avalon and a Web services architecture called Indigo--are being pulled out of the next Windows release so they can be offered for both Longhorn and the current generation of Windows operating systems.
The third major component, a reworking of the Windows file system known as WinFS, has been delayed past Longhorn's release and is expected to be in beta testing when Longhorn ships. It is unclear when WinFS will be integrated into Windows itself.
Microsoft has not talked a great deal about what features will be part of the beta release. Montgomery said many of the updates have to do with improving the "operational characteristics" of the operating system--basically making Windows easier to manage and more reliable. Among the changes will be a new model for drivers--the bits of code that allow Windows to work effectively with hardware add-ons such as graphic cards and peripherals.
Another improvement will come in the way businesses are able to install Windows on large numbers of machines. Today, mass deployment is done through a process known as "ghosting" an image of the operating system. An improved method will come with Longhorn, Montgomery said.
Montgomery said Microsoft is on track for two other key releases for this year. The 2005 editions of the Visual Studio programming tools and the SQL Server database are slated to get new test versions in the coming weeks, with final releases scheduled for late summer.
Earlier Monday, Microsoft said that by March, it will release an update to the preview version of Avalon. Servers and tools Chief Eric Rudder is slated to talk about Indigo on Tuesday.
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http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9593_22-5566423.html
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Heh, I still have my 4074 copy lyin' around. 
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| sTo0z wrote: | | Heh, I still have my 4074 copy lyin' around. |
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I've tried three builds up to the 4074 one. I wasn't so impressed. It look and felt much like XP except the sidebar. Indigo, WinFS, Avalon and XAML looks cool. The sad thing is that we will have to wait some time before WinFS gets released after the Longhorn final release. It's still worth trying. I'm so tired of XP pro as Windows platform.
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Yah the only thing I was really looking forward to seeing was WinFS, too bad it got pushed back.
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| sTo0z wrote: | | Yah the only thing I was really looking forward to seeing was WinFS, too bad it got pushed back. |
at least they decided to pull it back, at first it was scrapped. I must say, I was pretty sure if they came out with it for release (and it was default) a whole lot of people would turn anti MS. Windows is known for its ease and lack of change, thats one of the reasons why users like it. WinFS is great for geeks, but its bound to be less than helpful for none geek windows users... let confusion reign!
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| [sYn] wrote: | | hopefully ill get a early look at this |
I would count on it. Windows is probably one of next year's sweet spots for pirates: Besides the next version of photoshop (?), F.E.A.R., and the DooM movie (??!), this will be the best way for a group to get a foot in the door, or to re-establish supremacy, so this will be a high-priority target for many, many people. If IT departments are going to be getting a look at this, I'd expect it to hit the FTP's in 24 hours or less of release, IRC maybe in 2-3 days.
| razor1394 wrote: | | I've tried three builds up to the 4074 one. I wasn't so impressed. It look and felt much like XP except the sidebar. Indigo, WinFS, Avalon and XAML looks cool. The sad thing is that we will have to wait some time before WinFS gets released after the Longhorn final release. It's still worth trying. I'm so tired of XP pro as Windows platform. |
Now that you mention it, I've still got builds 4074 and 4053 lying around here somewhere... downloaded 'em, but never bothered installing. |
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Rumour mill claims Longhorn has a real name - Microsoft Windows e-XPedition
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DO WE HAVE the new name of Longhorn revealed today? According to sources at Microsoft, we think we might. While Longhorn has been the much-mentioned codename for the next-generation Windows technology, a Microsoft mole came to us at the weekend with some news of high-level branding discussions that appear to have yielded a name for the new Windows. It could all just be the rankest of speculation, however.
Microsoft Windows e-XPedition.
Expedition, geddit? Apparently, marketing suits are happy that the name evokes ideas of the 'e-home' as well as the familiar 'XP' and Media Centre 'Edition', elements of which are all found in Longhorn. It also echoes the 'Where do you want to go today?' slogan, which has become a Microsoft catchphrase.
We couldn't get any confirmation of the name from anyone within Microsoft, so you can treat this one as a rumour for now. We are, however, expecting an announcement pretty soon - possibly at WinHEC, to counteract the negative buzz of not actually showing a Beta version of the OS there.
Will man land on Mars before Longhorn ships? We think we should be told. µ |
Source - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21365
Talk about a silly name!
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just name it longhorn.
Microsoft Windows e-XPedition
sounds more like an extra xp edition. (which it may is lol)
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* Hijacked the thread and added some links.
onT - Personally I don't think I will go for Longhorn as XP replacer with all those security features the OS has. I feel like having some freedom and not beeing controlled by some big-ass corporation. My next comp will probably be TCG enabled on many fronts and running a pirate longhorn would be impossible. I'll rather stay with Gentoo as my primary OS. They are also using TCG for some good features and not for blocking free apps and so on.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Mar 2005 23:47 Post subject: WinFS coming to XP and Longhorn beta delayed |
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WinFS coming to XP and Longhorn beta delayed
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While no one knows for sure when, how, and if Microsoft's next generation file system technology will manifest itself, Microsoft officials do plan to bring WinFS in some form to Windows XP.
Just as Microsoft is currently doing with it's next-gen display technology, Avalon, WinFS apparently will be able to be used by Windows XP users as well.
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Source - http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1772619,00.asp
So now we got both Avalon and WinFS for longhorn. No real reason to upgrade to Longhorn. BTW, the beta release has been delayed to Q2 2005  .
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 09:37 Post subject: News |
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I got some good news and bad news. Let's take the bad ones first  .
Microsoft’s PUMA to prevent theft of audio data
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At the end of April at the WinHEC 2005 developers´ conference Microsoft intends to furnish further details on the copy protection functions of the successor to Windows XP Longhorn, which is planned for 2006. The preliminary WinHEC 2005 Master List of Tracks and Sessions under the heading Media Advances for the Windows PC Architecture lists a number of events dealing with the form of control of use known as Digital Rights Management (DRM). One of these track sessions will, for instance, be concerned with the Protected Media Path (PMP), which is to be established for media data in Longhorn PCs.
A Protected Environment (PE), whilst providing a Protected Video Path (PVP) and Protected User Mode Audio (PUMA), will enforce defined requirements on hardware drivers (for TV or graphics cards, say). These channels are to be proof against data theft by rogue software. PUMA runs in the PE, with the PVP even encrypting data transfer to the graphics card over the PCI Express Port (AES 128). A PC´s outlets - in the case of video signals the outlet of the graphics card - are also integrated into the output protection management concept (OPM).
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More DRM crap coming to Longhorn...
Microsoft to abandon passwords
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Microsoft has revealed at a security panel at CeBIT that it is preparing to dump passwords in favour of two-factor authentication in forthcoming versions of Windows. Detlef Eckert, the senior director in charge of Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing initiative, did not specify which form of two-factor authentication would be used in the next edition of the company's operating system, codenamed Longhorn.
But he said that the code would have vastly improved handling of technologies including smartcards and security tokens. "I believe that the time of password-only authentication is gone," said Eckert. "We need to go to two-factor authentication. This is the only way to bring the level of trust business needs." The panellists were in broad agreement that better digital identity is essential for the future development of e-commerce. RSA Security chief executive Art Coviello suggested that the effects were already being felt, pointing out that some Australian banks have recently pulled out of planned web services because of security fears.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2005 14:55 Post subject: Longhorn Networking Revealed: Summary |
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Longhorn Networking Revealed: Summary
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This afternoon we were treated to an interesting Microsoft TechNet chat session on networking in Windows Longhorn. The session provided a great overview of what we can expect from the Longhorn networking team come this May. Longhorn will introduce us to a completely redesigned and harmonized IPv4/IPv6 protocol stack. (Windows currently implements 2 independent stack binaries to support IPv4 and IPv6) Effectively it will be possible to listen to IPv4 and IPv6 traffic simultaneously, while using only a single listening socket.
Microsoft was really pushing the fact that Longhorn will be completely IPv6 compatible, finally establishing a platform for 3rd party vendors to build on. Our message to the industry is "move the applications, get them IPv6 ready, rely on transition technologies until the infrastructure is in place" Longhorn is slated to be capable of running in a "IPv6 Only" mode. Although you can currently remove IPv4 capabilities from Windows, a wide range of services and programs still depend on it for network access. All components of Longhorn which are "network aware" are slated to natively support IPv6 and IPv6 only mode.
Several small pieces of information came up in the chat which are worth mentioning. There are no plans to include a GUI version of 'Ipconfig', similar to the old 'Winipcfg' in Longhorn. Longhorn will completely do away with support for IPX networking, but will still include legacy support for WINS. Microsoft is still unsure whether NetBIOS support will make it into Longhorn, or when a decision concerning NetBIOS will be made.
See our 'Read More' section for some interesting quotes from today's TechNet session.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Mar 2005 20:48 Post subject: Re: The official MS Windows Longhorn thread |
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| Mutantius wrote: |
Official site
Longhorn developer center
Windows Longhorn info at Wikipedia
Paul Thurrot's Microsoft site
Screenshots
The BETA release is scheduled for Q2 2005
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| Quote: | Microsoft is on track to release the first full test version of the next major Windows release by the end of June, a Microsoft executive told CNET News.com on Monday.
The company has said publicly that Beta 1 of Longhorn would arrive by the end of 2005, though internally, the company has been aiming for a release by midyear. The final version of Longhorn is slated for the second half of next year.
"There will be a beta 1 of Longhorn...happening in the first half of this year," John Montgomery, a director in Microsoft's developer division, said during an interview at VSLive, a conference devoted to the company's Visual Studio .Net toolkit. The release will be primarily aimed at developers, Montgomery said. "I do, however, expect that you will find IT departments starting to look at it, kick the tires, figure out what's in it and what's not in it."
Beta 1 will be the first look at Longhorn in its current form. Microsoft released a developer preview version of Windows at the Professional Developers Conference in the fall of 2003 and updated that early code last spring.
However, Longhorn has changed significantly since then, with Microsoft announcing changes in August affecting all three of the key pillars of Longhorn. Two of the components--a presentation engine called Avalon and a Web services architecture called Indigo--are being pulled out of the next Windows release so they can be offered for both Longhorn and the current generation of Windows operating systems.
The third major component, a reworking of the Windows file system known as WinFS, has been delayed past Longhorn's release and is expected to be in beta testing when Longhorn ships. It is unclear when WinFS will be integrated into Windows itself.
Microsoft has not talked a great deal about what features will be part of the beta release. Montgomery said many of the updates have to do with improving the "operational characteristics" of the operating system--basically making Windows easier to manage and more reliable. Among the changes will be a new model for drivers--the bits of code that allow Windows to work effectively with hardware add-ons such as graphic cards and peripherals.
Another improvement will come in the way businesses are able to install Windows on large numbers of machines. Today, mass deployment is done through a process known as "ghosting" an image of the operating system. An improved method will come with Longhorn, Montgomery said.
Montgomery said Microsoft is on track for two other key releases for this year. The 2005 editions of the Visual Studio programming tools and the SQL Server database are slated to get new test versions in the coming weeks, with final releases scheduled for late summer.
Earlier Monday, Microsoft said that by March, it will release an update to the preview version of Avalon. Servers and tools Chief Eric Rudder is slated to talk about Indigo on Tuesday.
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what a pathetic name for an operating system!!!!!!!!
why not call it THE HORN!
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| Posted: Thu, 31st Mar 2005 22:03 Post subject: Longhorn could be tough sell for Microsoft |
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Longhorn could be tough sell for Microsoft
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Longhorn has already survived several major delays, intense scrutiny from the industry and a radical redesign of its features. But the toughest test for Microsoft's next release of Windows is still to come: Will anyone buy it?
Even though it will be five years after Windows XP's debut, Microsoft could still face a tough sell when it releases Longhorn next year. With past updates, users had clamored for more stability and security, but analysts say people are pretty happy with Windows XP.
"Microsoft for the very first time is going to be faced with the challenge of being the player whose (operating system) is 'good enough'" as is, said Jupiter Research analyst Michael Gartenberg.
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If beta is planned for 2005 Q2 then I doubt we will see it in 2006.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 01:52 Post subject: Re: News |
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| razor1394 wrote: | I got some good news and bad news. Let's take the bad ones first .
Microsoft’s PUMA to prevent theft of audio data
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At the end of April at the WinHEC 2005 developers´ conference Microsoft intends to furnish further details on the copy protection functions of the successor to Windows XP Longhorn, which is planned for 2006. The preliminary WinHEC 2005 Master List of Tracks and Sessions under the heading Media Advances for the Windows PC Architecture lists a number of events dealing with the form of control of use known as Digital Rights Management (DRM). One of these track sessions will, for instance, be concerned with the Protected Media Path (PMP), which is to be established for media data in Longhorn PCs.
A Protected Environment (PE), whilst providing a Protected Video Path (PVP) and Protected User Mode Audio (PUMA), will enforce defined requirements on hardware drivers (for TV or graphics cards, say). These channels are to be proof against data theft by rogue software. PUMA runs in the PE, with the PVP even encrypting data transfer to the graphics card over the PCI Express Port (AES 128). A PC´s outlets - in the case of video signals the outlet of the graphics card - are also integrated into the output protection management concept (OPM).
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More DRM crap coming to Longhorn...
Microsoft to abandon passwords
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Microsoft has revealed at a security panel at CeBIT that it is preparing to dump passwords in favour of two-factor authentication in forthcoming versions of Windows. Detlef Eckert, the senior director in charge of Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing initiative, did not specify which form of two-factor authentication would be used in the next edition of the company's operating system, codenamed Longhorn.
But he said that the code would have vastly improved handling of technologies including smartcards and security tokens. "I believe that the time of password-only authentication is gone," said Eckert. "We need to go to two-factor authentication. This is the only way to bring the level of trust business needs." The panellists were in broad agreement that better digital identity is essential for the future development of e-commerce. RSA Security chief executive Art Coviello suggested that the effects were already being felt, pointing out that some Australian banks have recently pulled out of planned web services because of security fears.
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if microsoft goes ahead with this stupid shit, will be bad thing for us consumers in the shortrun but good thing in longrun. NOBODY is going to give up their mp3s. it just wont happen unless some spectacular new all-embracing format comes from the genius minds at the music recording companies . we all know how wma with copy-prot caught on...  its the simple fact of human nature, ie we wont give up something that we are comfortable with unless something comes along that offers us so much more. anyways i see this as an opening for all the *nix based OS's to completely decimate or otherwise shake MS a little more off its perch. anyways from this and what else ive been hearing about longhorn, ms has got to do so much more to get the regular joe blow's attention. especially if they want to be making profits from more than just office and oem windows liscences.
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