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javlar
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 Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 16:20 Post subject: Consoles vs PC (post here and not in the kotor2-thread) |
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Just to clear the kotor2-thread. Still think its a pretty interesting subject, none of us know how it will look in 5 or 10 years.
With the xbox the console-concept became very much more like the pc with one simple thing: the harddrive. People who chip their xbox usually upgrade the hdd from the standard 10gb to whatever harddrive they want. Hopefully this will be the future of all consoles but not only concerning the harddrive. Maybe the manufacturers can create new (easy-mode) hardware-kits every 6-12 months to keep the console on par with the pc. They will most probably benefit from it finacially and developers as well as customers will be happier.
Would be like a pc but without demanding as much knowledge in hardware. You just buy the 1.1 upgrade when it comes and can play the 1.1 games.
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swebarb
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 17:59 Post subject: |
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why bother buying a console and then throwing in a super big Hd ? useless.
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 18:02 Post subject: |
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I would say they are merging together...
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 18:50 Post subject: |
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Lol, all i know is I love games, though i will always pick the PC before any console, I do own an XBOX and that's really only for Fable and the HALO series and It really hurts going from a 6800 GT to a GF3 equipped machine sometimes.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 19:10 Post subject: |
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i like to lay in my sofa. i cant do that with keyboard and mouse. well not comfortably at least. add a big tv-screen to that. its not like i ever watch movies on the monitor (except the samples hehe).
also consoles are better suited with a couple of friends over. it feels stupid to sit all crowded around a monitor.
less buttons to hit when im drunk. even though my left hand has mutated into wasd-formation.
no installing, configuration-tweaking, patching (well this point is really a minor one).
i guess it all comes down to that im getting old and lazy.
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javlar
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 19:22 Post subject: |
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| swebarb wrote: | | why bother buying a console and then throwing in a super big Hd ? useless. |
Errr.. i have a 250gb hdd in my xbox and i wish i could have two. Have the xbox-games (ofc) and most of my tv-series on it. That way i dont have to hook my pc up to the tv to watch em ie i can sit at my computer and watch my series on my tv without having to hazzle with cables and whatnot. I'll tell you its alot more convenient to just start up the xbox put a season of southpark in playlist, sit back and relax.
I dont know if you call that useless but if you do i dont care, tell your mom i said hello.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 19:30 Post subject: |
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I think that the playstation 3 will have a processor running in excess of 4ghz. Thats superior to most modern computers!
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 21:13 Post subject: |
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Well with console you dont need to always keep it up to date with putting a 400$ a year on it to play games. Console dont need drivers update, tweaking to make games work, just put the game in it and you are good to go.
If the xbox had the keyboard/mouse support i'll always be on it but since i cant stand the fuckin gamepad with shooters cause the accurancy and the smoothness blows, i'll stay on PC for now.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 21:20 Post subject: |
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What is wrong with updating drivers? Drivers improve the performance of your system, nothing wrong with that, that's a plus.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 21:24 Post subject: |
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| Pizda2 wrote: | | What is wrong with updating drivers? Drivers improve the performance of your system, nothing wrong with that, that's a plus. |
True but on console you dont need to bother with that...yes the GFX are not as good as PC but still less pain in the ass to play on console regarding to update/upgrade issue
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 21:31 Post subject: |
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Consoles will always be short of PC's. Occasionally, they will debut at a comparable performance level, but arguably never ahead. After this, they just stay the same, and the morons who were jumping up and down claiming consoles are better (performance wise) sit their asses down.
In the future, (now in fact) they care coming closer and closer to acting as PC's (not vice versa). The death of the console will be the release of MRAM, or some sort of RAM that can store memory without power, allowing instant boots. When this happens, there will be no advantage to console games.
PS: If you don't like a keyboard/mouse, GET A CONTROLLER.
PC's are the best, and I believe they always will be. but wait! Apparently this "cell" chip is coming out from sony! oh wait, that's in months and months. And if it does what they say it can, then getting the console will be like getting a decent computer... that you can't upgrade. They will be continuing to develop this chip so why restrict yourself to its slowest incarnation. People people...
I hate the rabid console fans who tell me all about the specs of the upcoming consoles. how they're going to blow PC's out of the water... as if they even know what the specs mean and as if PC gamers don't know what they are. idiots.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 21:31 Post subject: |
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both have a right to excist, the question is if console games FUCK up PC games because developers develop a game for a console & pc at the same time, which result in a crappy PC game because of the technical 'denial' they meet if they want to keep the game playable on a console.
This results in a Deus Ex 2, and a Thief 3.
I think it would be better to develop a game on PC, then develop it on console. Not because it would be better for the PC, but because then the developers really can max out the game experience hardware/software wise and know what has to be kept in at all costs to make sure the console game is also a succes when they port it over..
It has nothing to do with PC / Console cos i own both and prefer both, this is a objective point of view what would be best for the sake and quality of games.
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ollax
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 21:54 Post subject: |
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| Kommando wrote: |
if the xbox had the keyboard/mouse support i'll always be on it but since i cant stand the fuckin gamepad with shooters cause the accurancy and the smoothness blows, i'll stay on PC for now. |
It's actually not a problem anymore!
http://www.avault.com/hardware/getreview.asp?review=sjfrag
But anyways PC's own!
Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most!
"Ozzy Osbourne"
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 21:55 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | I would say they are merging together... |
yeah exactly what i've said in kotor thread! Thats why in some years consoles are going to dissapear!... computers will get smaller (there is already some really small box with an handle on the top), again : console are just computers BUT with limitations.
some of you talk about patches and installations.... well im going to introduce ya to expansion pack : have you ever see an expansion pack for the console ? A sequel maybe but just more missions / campains for a game instead of a brand new engine and a new version of the game ? What's better than finishing a great game you love and learn that more is coming for that very same game you spent hours playing? My last console was an intellivision, and my first computer was a Texas Instrument... then a commodore 64, amiga then a PC... i never went back to the console... I never had a coleco or other rustic console, since the day i met computers.
and oh, maybe some of you console freaks will get speechless about this but what about MODS? some made by guys that have some dev knowledge but most of all have ideas some big compagnies will never have ? The community around great PC titles is just more than play it, finish it then buy another one. You may always expect more with a PC title than you can with a console. It's not even a question of comparasion (sorry spelling), its a question of what you really want.
I'm not arguying about the fact some peoples are very satisfied with their console, this is a choice... but when you really are into gaming, theres no arguying either...
Like i mentionned also, theres 4 places less than 15 miles from where i live where I can rent games for PC, and i dont live in a HIGH TECH URBAN town...In a near future it will expand I guess which at the same time means they will sell more games, maybe less to the gamer himself but theres other possibilities for compagnies to make profit..
Now stop for a second thinking about tomorrow, next week or next year, think about something like a decade, and imagine what it will be like ? Do you still believe there will be 4-5 kind of 'systems' to play games (xbox, nintendo, sony)? There will be ONE, maybe 2, one of them will be smaller with an integrated screen so you can play on the road while you're away from your real gaming environment...
Bugs? OS bugs? well at least if theres one, you can always trick your way around it... and this will only, ONLY get better... remember the good old blue screens? I dont even remember having one with XP
On a comfort side, well, since I have bought a 19'' LCD screen and got a DVD player for my CPU, and I already have a pretty decent sound system attached to it, I have mainly moved the computer to the living area (so i can 'live' with my girlfriend) so we can watch movie, all we have to do is either connect the computer to the TV or get closer to the cpu and move the couch.. its also used to play music.
As someone said, HD tv screens will get cheaper so having a USB splitter with 4 gamepads and playing NHL on the CPU is nothing compared to playing it on the PS2, which I refused to when visiting a friend.
Also from my kotor thread, talking about 400$ upgrades a year? How does it cost ya to buy a console ? And by the same time, I hope you have a cpu to go on the internet to make your homeworks of whatever work that require a CPU? today you dont have a cpu, tomorrow youre going to be illiterate. So having BOTH is going to save you money? better save your keyboard from typing this kind of shit. What about memory cards, force feedback to put on controllers, MOD chips to buy etc? aint that kind of upgrades???? Spend your money all in one place, the right one!
and remember, over-estimating the power of the console is ignoring that tomorrow is the future.
(side note : sorry for the spelling / grammar; I speak french).
now, wheres this Kotor II GAME? lol......
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 22:06 Post subject: |
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woozap: good point, that's the biggest problem. Don't forget to mention Halo games... those were originally intended for PC... grr.
Glish: totally. Consoles have so many limitations...
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 22:12 Post subject: |
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| - Glish - wrote: |
I'm not arguying about the fact some peoples are very satisfied with their console, this is a choice... but when you really are into gaming, theres no arguying either...
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eh? if you really are into gaming, then you should know its the games in itself that counts. and if you want to play all the good games you need all consoles + pc. not that i have, but you get the point.
or maybe i misunderstood?
otherwise you had some interesting points. especially the ones about exp-packs and mods. also the one about the future. but im trying to live in the now, not tomorrow.
as it is right now, im very pleased enjoying a new game right there on the tv-screen, lying in my sofa.
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 22:26 Post subject: |
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I must say that consoles have an advantage on the handheld market currently... ATM U can buy a DS and PSP both offer quite nice things though I know a PDA is here too...
Though I guess PSP (especially) and DS 0wnz the PDA mainly because of the price compared to each other...
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 22:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 22:44 Post subject: |
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hey I have both xbox & pc. While nothing beats playing counterstrike on my pc, xbox media server rules! my xbox is hooked up to my stereo (and surround) & can play my whole mp3 collection on my pc through my xbox on my stereo. I can either control this on my xbox or even directly from my pc (using the xbox as a webserver). I can stream film to the xbox & watch my video colletion on my tv, I can show my pictures of my little kiddie to the rest of the family without having them all sit in front of the pc.
I even don't need MS xbox live to play online (using KAI instead).
So no, I don't want to miss my xbox. And o yeah, I have found hardware to wireless connect my stereo to my pc, but it costs € 200 as well... more xpensive than the xbox and you can't play halo2 on it....
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 23:08 Post subject: |
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i grew up with a pc junior, i'll die with a pc. The only console i had and have good memories about was the 80's commodore 20, i did tryied first nintendos but does were just a load of jumbo mumbo.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 23:09 Post subject: |
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| winny wrote: | hey I have both xbox & pc. While nothing beats playing counterstrike on my pc, xbox media server rules! my xbox is hooked up to my stereo (and surround) & can play my whole mp3 collection on my pc through my xbox on my stereo. I can either control this on my xbox or even directly from my pc (using the xbox as a webserver). I can stream film to the xbox & watch my video colletion on my tv, I can show my pictures of my little kiddie to the rest of the family without having them all sit in front of the pc.
I even don't need MS xbox live to play online (using KAI instead).
So no, I don't want to miss my xbox. And o yeah, I have found hardware to wireless connect my stereo to my pc, but it costs € 200 as well... more xpensive than the xbox and you can't play halo2 on it.... |
well i was mostly talking about games but on a technical notes, your real problem is a logistic one... having the computer in a corner in the living area I'm already connected to the TV and if I had a better sound system than the one on my computer it would be connected to it... so no need to stream movies, I just play them directly on tv, I dont need to have 2 things running at the same time (xbox is more a costly 'relay' in your case). Most good video cards got the TV-OUT option already so its no problem to me. But in certain circumstances yeah, a xbox is 'necessary' heh
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 23:14 Post subject: |
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| ollax wrote: | | Kommando wrote: |
if the xbox had the keyboard/mouse support i'll always be on it but since i cant stand the fuckin gamepad with shooters cause the accurancy and the smoothness blows, i'll stay on PC for now. |
It's actually not a problem anymore!
http://www.avault.com/hardware/getreview.asp?review=sjfrag
But anyways PC's own! |
HAHAHAHA...i was coming to post about this....fuck this is one of the greatest day of my life....keyboard/mouse for Xbox...now its time to rape all those controller retards.
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Feb 2005 23:36 Post subject: |
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cartoon: exactly. it's just a few cables, extremely easy to set up.
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005 00:26 Post subject: |
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woozap who are you kidding? please give ONE example of something the Xbox media center can do that the PC connected to a TV can't????? ... that's right, there is none.
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