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 Posted: Fri, 11th Feb 2005 20:24 Post subject: [Other] PS3 - New Supercomputer?? |
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PS3 could be classified as a Super Computer as its Rumourd to use 4 of them Cell Processors 
| Quote: | | If Playstation3 ends up having 4 Cell processors, as has been rumored, the console will end up being officially classified, with today's standards, as a super computer. |
Each Cell processor is 4ghz and the PS3 might be using 4 (thats 16GHZ )!!!
| Quote: | | According to the Cell consortium, the new chips will be made up of 64-bit processors (each with 2.5 MB of memory) and should debut at 4GHz speeds. The question of the speed has been a very important PR point which Cell developers had to address since, even though a different architecture, Cell has to be seen as offering superior power to Intel chips. Cell will also carry a greater number of transistors compared to current Intel chips with the triumvirate announcing 234 million compared to the 125 million carried by the latest Pentium 4 CPUs. It is however, a well known fact that, this far, chip makers double the number of transistors every 12 to 18 months. |
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/ps3cellprocessordetailsrevealed.shtml
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/cellvsintelround1.shtml
George W Bush -
'...more and more of our imports are coming from overseas.'
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Feb 2005 22:29 Post subject: |
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OMG here we go again, do you remember the uber specs of the ps2 and its "Emotion Engine" , lol - what a joke that was, expect no difference this time.
These new consoles will be good but nothing like what they are being hyped up to be as per usual
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Feb 2005 23:03 Post subject: |
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| mcmanic wrote: | OMG here we go again, do you remember the uber specs of the ps2 and its "Emotion Engine" , lol - what a joke that was, expect no difference this time.
These new consoles will be good but nothing like what they are being hyped up to be as per usual |
people said the PSP was all hyped up, but look at it...
George W Bush -
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 02:50 Post subject: |
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| mcmanic wrote: | OMG here we go again, do you remember the uber specs of the ps2 and its "Emotion Engine" , lol - what a joke that was, expect no difference this time.
These new consoles will be good but nothing like what they are being hyped up to be as per usual |
So you don't know what the Cell CPU is?
It's developed by IBM, has 9 cores, generates only 30W heat and the first version will run at speeds around 4,6 GHz.
Read slashdot god damnit.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 02:54 Post subject: |
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yep its crap ain't it, psp another sony producted hyped all out of preportion for what it actually is, or trying to be
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 02:57 Post subject: |
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| gagge wrote: | | mcmanic wrote: | OMG here we go again, do you remember the uber specs of the ps2 and its "Emotion Engine" , lol - what a joke that was, expect no difference this time.
These new consoles will be good but nothing like what they are being hyped up to be as per usual |
So you don't know what the Cell CPU is?
It's developed by IBM, has 9 cores, generates only 30W heat and the first version will run at speeds around 4,6 GHz.
Read slashdot god damnit. |
lol another one that believe's what printed on the internet. Do you read the Sun newspaper? ...lmao
Everytime we have this with new console's.
It never happens or lives upto expectations -period!
Like i said it'll be good but no way as good as they are making out, as usual
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 10:30 Post subject: |
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well one thing i will say, it'll be a bigger change for loyal ps2 owners to ps3 than it will be for xbox owners and GC, lol
Until we have the units showing ingame footage running realtime from the format they choose and not some demo or intro scene - until then we won't know the full power, and as i already said they will be powerful, remember a famous quote for the ps2 which was it has the tech inside it to power a missle! (lol - great selling techniques)
These new consoles will provide nice AA/AF (wave goodbye to jaggies) and ingame graphics will be as good as HL2 i expect, which is fine by me
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 11:07 Post subject: |
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It will have at least 1 of them Cell chips in it anyway at 4+ghz (Sony is also helping develope the Cell Chip)
George W Bush -
'...more and more of our imports are coming from overseas.'
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 12:05 Post subject: |
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Nobody cares about the cost of manufacturing?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 13:11 Post subject: |
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hmm Im skeptical why havent we seen any of this new tech in the PC market upto now?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 13:41 Post subject: |
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This console like any other console will only be a hit,
If you can fit a mod chip into it
No matter what the specs its got
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 16:05 Post subject: |
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| uploader wrote: | This console like any other console will only be a hit,
If you can fit a mod chip into it
No matter what the specs its got |
I dont think thats true... You cant fit a Mod Chip to the PSP and thats been selling like crazy
George W Bush -
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 16:41 Post subject: |
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| Steve-O 2004 wrote: | | uploader wrote: | This console like any other console will only be a hit,
If you can fit a mod chip into it
No matter what the specs its got |
I dont think thats true... You cant fit a Mod Chip to the PSP and thats been selling like crazy |
Indeed it aint... The PSP has so much to offer... thats why the succes
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Feb 2005 19:02 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Nvidia have actually said that the gpu in the ps3 will be the fastest they have ever created (pc platform included). |
i blooming well hope so, but lets not forget its still based on gpu architecture of which the pc will exceed within a year as they are based on the next graphic core. Consoles always look good against PCs for 1st year, then Pc's again over take, so your 4 Ghz is about OTT really, just look at the syper "Emotion Engine" of the PS2, we all know how well Sony can spin a lie - lol, to whip up pre-sale goodness
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Feb 2005 19:53 Post subject: |
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| mcmanic wrote: | OMG here we go again, do you remember the uber specs of the ps2 and its "Emotion Engine" , lol - what a joke that was, expect no difference this time.
These new consoles will be good but nothing like what they are being hyped up to be as per usual |
When did a 300mhz processor seem uber? Maybe in 1998 or something but deffinetly not the time the ps2 came out. whoever thought 300mhz was uber cpu power for the ps2 is on crack. Now 4ghz sounds nice but you also got to think that is going to power a high res image at a frame rate of 30-60fps. I bet some games will still chug on this thing only because coders are going to get lazy
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Feb 2005 21:13 Post subject: |
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when i said uber thats is again how Sony was promoting its so called super powerful "Emotion Engine", more powerful than anything on the market and any pc. Seeems to be a Sony trend that ps2 fans seem to lap up and drool over.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Feb 2005 01:52 Post subject: |
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| Steve-O 2004 wrote: | | mcmanic wrote: | | when i said uber thats is again how Sony was promoting its so called super powerful "Emotion Engine", more powerful than anything on the market and any pc. Seeems to be a Sony trend that ps2 fans seem to lap up and drool over. |
Well, the Reason why PS2 Emulation is not posible on a PC is because of its Emotion Engine (no current PC is powerfull enough to emulate it) So Im guessing it has some power 
Did you say the PS2 was 300mhz??... Well imagine trying to run GTA SA, Burnout3, Tekken 5, Granturismo 4 etc on a 300mhz PC, I would like to see you do it  |
That has less to do with raw power and more to do with incompatability, and the complexity involved to make up for that through emulation.
If there was no emulation involved, we would have had an application to run PS2 games shortly after the PS2 was released, the problem is the loss of performance because of emulating.
Well my point is the PS2 is not that powerfull at all, even upon its initial release it wasnt that awe-inspiring, at least to me. While I agree that this sounds nice and all, I am going to wait and see the actual games that are released on the system before shelling out 400 bucks for their so called evolution in gaming.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Feb 2005 10:10 Post subject: |
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bleem anyone?
as D4rkKnight, will wait for actual release and will not be drawn into hyped marketing that in real terms means nowt usually but has only one reason and that is to flog a product to the mass market by saying how good "it possibly may be"
and be seeing all the threads here, a fair few of you already fallen for this just like with the "emotion engine" of the ps2 which was vastly over rated and promoted by Sony as being the end of Pc,ect,ect,ect
I've heard it all before
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Feb 2005 13:11 Post subject: |
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| D4rkKnight wrote: | | Well my point is the PS2 is not that powerfull at all |
This is just not true. It's way more powerful than, for example, the xbox (I will use the xbox as the other example). You have to look at the specs versus graphics and not specs versus specs. A 300mhz powered system that delivers the graphic it does, now that is quite awesome.
The graphics the xbox delivers never wow me because the specs it has (800mhz p3 and a gf3 based gpu) shuld be able to deliver that, so it's nothing wow about it. But when I see games like Jak3 which is so superb graphically, on the ps2, my jaw drops.
The problem with the engine is that it's hard to develop games for it (which is quite sad). Even today they come up with new techniques to develop games on the ps2, which results in better graphics. So long after it's launch and there are still tricks to make the games look better, that shows that it's more to the ps2 hardware than what the numbers on the paper tells. Chaos theory will push the ps2 further than anyone have pushed it before (more than 20.000 more polys), it will feature all the effects the xbox does, but the ps2 will handle them differently (A never before used technique by ubisoft) because of the way the emotion engine works. The xbox (or a pc) have raw power, the ps2 uses "magic".
Some examples of just awesome games graphically (where the developer have succeeded in programming) is, Jak2/3, GT4, Snake eater etc. If you look at those games and take in consideration that the emotion engine runs at 300mhz (300mhz on paper), it shuld not be able to handle them one bit, but as we all know, it does.
This became quite long but someone had to exaplain a few things 
About the cell. You guys forget that the emotion engine was made by toshiba and sony. Neither had any major experiense in making cpus etc (not like ibm, intel and amd).
Cell is made by toshiba, sony and last but not least, IBM. IBM knows how to make cpus, the powerpc cpus proves that. This results in that this time it can be a threat because IBM is already making cpus for computers and is established in the computer market, so they know how things work.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Feb 2005 16:24 Post subject: |
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same deal as the ps2
huge computing power BUT very hard to program so using the hardware to its fullest would require much more time and money then usual , in these days of smaller gamefirms getting the axe like everyday news that means the ps3 wont be the new terminator or whatever
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Feb 2005 16:59 Post subject: |
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Very hard to program? How on earth can you know that when it's not even out to developers yet?
I highly doubt it will be hard to program since I doubt sony and toshiba together with IBM would make the same "misstake" again, that would just be stupid.
You guys miss one important thing when you say it's all hype. The cell will not just be used in the ps3. That makes it a HUGE difference compared to the emotion engine.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Feb 2005 19:23 Post subject: |
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According to the Journal, Sony and IBM are working on creating a Cell-based workstation for game designers and graphics animators. The big test for the architecture could well be how easy it is to programme for - games houses are unlikely to want to spent huge amounts of time unlearning what they have learned |
in the end, sony are great at hype, but a little lacking in backing it up
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