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 Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 23:55 Post subject: |
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dota 2
>100k players online most of the time
you can deny creeps
best graphics of them all (imo)
best sound of them all (!)
i have 859 hours played omg
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 23:57 Post subject: |
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What didn't you like about LOL/HON and what do you like in DOTA?
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:01 Post subject: |
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For me LoL is still the most fun which is what matters in the end, Dota 2 and HoN have some added features like denying which brings more strategy to the lane phase (farming), but also less pvp action, LoL is just faster and with more action, also the skills of the champions are more unique and enjoyable i think, this is my personal opinion of course.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:07 Post subject: |
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That I cannot really tell you. But I guess it was first impressions. I knew jack shit about the genre when coming to any of them. But only Dota 2 managed to hold my interest long enough to get into it and learn how to play. The visuals and aesthetics are pleasing (cannot say that about LoL, let alone HoN), best sounds/voice (this I cannot stress enough, personally I think it was one of the major reasons why I sticked to Dota 2. I wanted to hear all the responses and one-liners of the heroes, so I played for all, or at least most of the heroes at that time - which I think is really important in order to get to know the game well enough. To get to know strength and weaknesses of each heroes, etc.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:26 Post subject: |
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Dota better balanced, better engine, better supported. Turn rates, cast times are superior in dota but the last point is of course subjective. In Hon turn rates are super fast and spells have almost no cast time. This is not the case in dota with different turn rates and cast times for every hero and spell. Its another way to balance heroes and in general HoN has crap balance, imo.
Havent played LoL. Have seen some games and it appears very stale and predictable compared to dota. But for some it definitely appears to be a more casual way in to MOBAs and I cant deny that dota has a much steeper learning curve. LoL also features serious grinding necessary to get the necessary xp or cash or wahtever they use to get runes for your heroes and to unlock new heroes. This doesnt exist in either HoN or Dota. Everything item related in dota is completely cosmetic as well as in HoN. This is another point where I favour dota cause I truly dislike how HoN looks and how they employ cosmetics. The community is a cess pool and the cosmetics feature in to that.
I'm 800 games in to dota 2(and about 1000 games of wc3 dota give or take) and Im not even close to being tired of it. Love the game.
TL;DR:
Dota better game overall and I prefer it vastly to HoN and even more over LoL which I find extremely boring and run by a horrible company.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:33 Post subject: |
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To sum it up, if a champ is fed in DOTA2/HoN, it's gg because that champ can usually (if played properly), down a whole team on their own. In LoL such a thing is rare.
(and i'm talking about a 1v5 situation, ofc a fed champ in LoL can penta, but not on his own)
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:35 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | To sum it up, if a champ is fed in DOTA2/HoN, it's gg because that champ can usually (if played properly), down a whole team on their own. In LoL such a thing is rare.
(and i'm talking about a 1v5 situation, ofc a fed champ in LoL can penta, but not on his own) |
While its true that in some extreme scenarios a hero in dota 2 can potentially 1v5 its not true that if you just feed some guy that they will automatically win. I mean its so rare for it to happen even that its hardly relevant. Are you telling me that the percentages in LoL dont favor the team that gets a good start early game? Thats just how MOBAs work.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:42 Post subject: |
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Well, as DOTA2 should be identical to DOTA, in my years of playing DOTA i have had enough matches where a skilled fed champ, could 1v5 and come out as winner by ease.
That is what i meant, just the pure being able to 1v5 a team and come out as winner, ofc if a team gets early kills in LoL they gain quite a favor, but even then, if the other stretches the game out long enough and their comp is better, they can still win the game (even with maybe like 15 kills behind...), and in LoL i have yet to see a champ that 1v5 the whole team on his own and come out alive...
I ain't saying DOTA is bad, but i'm just putting down my personal experience, as i played all sorts of MOBA games the last 6 years..
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:47 Post subject: |
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Hero*.
Anyways, DotA2 is far better than the other two.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:47 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | Well, as DOTA2 should be identical to DOTA, in my years of playing DOTA i have had enough matches where a skilled fed champ, could 1v5 and come out as winner by ease.
That is what i meant, just the pure being able to 1v5 a team and come out as winner, ofc if a team gets early kills in LoL they gain quite a favor, but even then, if the other stretches the game out long enough and their comp is better, they can still win the game (even with maybe like 15 kills behind...), and in LoL i have yet to see a champ that 1v5 the whole team on his own and come out alive...
I ain't saying DOTA is bad, but i'm just putting down my personal experience, as i played all sorts of MOBA games the last 6 years.. |
Let me guess "DOTA X.XXb -APEM GOGO"
And you can turtle in dota. Just like you can in LoL except in dota its not the ONLY THING EVERYONE EVER DOES because its all there is.
but sure dont wanna get in a pissing match but your experience of dota isnt very applicable imo. Years ago you played means years of balancing and changing of heroes.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:51 Post subject: |
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No, just regular AR or AP
| zipfero wrote: | | Years ago you played means years of balancing and changing of heroes. |
And you claim that in ALL 3 games, this has come to a stall now? Because MOBA games are always changing and always getting balanced, there is no stop to it, so your point is invalid.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:53 Post subject: |
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No? But whatever experience you had playing some games in wc3 might not be applicable now. Im sure there have been overpowered heroes in LoL for a period as there has been in HoN and Dota (and still are some times)
Not really sure what point you are trying to make. There are no 1v5 heroes in dota.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 00:57 Post subject: |
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Oh no? Let's see.
Balanar can, axe can, n'aix can, Lycan can, Dragon Knight can, Sven can, Rexxar can, Traxex can, Strygwyr can, Anub'seran can, Darkterror can, Terrorblade can, Rikimaru can and prolly some others i forget.
These are the ones that I PERSONALLY have seen 1v5 a whole team with ease.
You can claim otherwise, but i know what i have seen.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:08 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | Oh no? Let's see.
Balanar can, axe can, n'aix can, Lycan can, Dragon Knight can, Sven can, Rexxar can, Traxex can, Strygwyr can, Anub'seran can, Darkterror can, Terrorblade can, Rikimaru can and prolly some others i forget.
These are the ones that I PERSONALLY have seen 1v5 a whole team with ease.
You can claim otherwise, but i know what i have seen. |
No way any of those fucking heroes can 1v5 a team without them playing like complete retards. Sorry.
Lycan is nerfed. Horrible in jungle, almost never picked cause he never gets off to a snowball start. Even so he would be hard pressed to 1v5 any team without help from team mates. Pure single target dps that with any stun is kiteable.
Axe? what? He can do it with a call and a blade mail but ofr that to happen you have put yourself in that situation. You did it for him.
Dragon Knight? Not without teammates.
Sven? Not without teammates unless you are so damn bad you clutter up with so he gets a 5 man stun and for some reason you are all squishy enough to die from two hits. A hero that, through A LOT of items, has the dmg potential.
Rexxar? LOL NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS.
Drow? not without team mates or you playingh horribly. Bloodseeker? Never fucking ever. If you get 1v5'ed you deserve it.
Nerubian Weaver? He is one hero who can potentially 1v5 a team. But even the POTENTIAL of this only happens if you picked horrible heroes to play against him with and you fed him extremely on top of that. And at that point its still not him just clicking 1 button and see you all get smashed. You have to stay around long enough for him to kill you all. It a single target hero with a weak aoe dot that he has to AIM with and catch all in a wave. Rest is single target dps.
Faceless Void can 1v5 a team if you get caught in a 5 man chrono and he has so much dmg he can take you out. You getting in a 5 man chrono is hilarious to start off with and if he is so farmed and he can rape you all in that 5 second window you are probably on a losing path anyway. But sure he is a hero who has the potential to take out a team very quickly. A true hard carry. Bash even got buffed too last patch.
Terrorblade is also true single target dps. Recently got reworked has gotten illusions back. No way i see him 1v5 a team without a team fight happening. But has serious dmg potential. This hero is currently not in dota 2.
Rikimaru can 1v5 a team if they are really really bad. Like riki is a known pubstomber for that very reason. Cause people are either too lazy, selfish or stupid to account for him. But he is also strictly solo target dps. If he 1v5s a team the game was lost way before that or its in a huge team fight and he somehow gets all last hits.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:13 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | You can claim otherwise, but i know what i have seen. |
And i'll leave it by that. My eyes don't deceive me.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:23 Post subject: |
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Quite recent topic: http://www.facelessvoid.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1005047
Seems that i'm not the only one who "thinks" that 1v5 is easy doable in DOTA2 
In other things, LoL does suffer from character teleporting when having high fps, so that's a minus thing.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:26 Post subject: |
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Dont see any situations posted. All I see are shitty troll posts
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:31 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Snowballing
| Quote: | | When a hero is said to be good at snowballing this means that when the hero gains enough of an advantage (usually in early or mid game) this allows them to completely dominate the enemy team. |
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Yes that can happen. We were talking about a hero 1v5'ing an enemy team? There are loads of measures a team can take to stop or slow down an enemy hero that has gotten a good start.
Snowballing happens cause people dont recognize the situation. Have vision(wards), gank the lanes, push the side lanes. Buy smoke and gank the hero.
Snowballing can happen in ANY MOBA. LoL included.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:31 Post subject: |
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Just go smoke your weed and live in your own little world. 
Like i said, I PERSONALLY have experienced that, i don't care what YOU think about it.
All i see is DOTA 2 fanboy-ism from you
Edit: why do you think i deleted that post, i found out that it had nothing to do with our subject.
I'm off to sleep now, no point in argueing with a fanboy
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:32 Post subject: |
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I tried most of them, but didn't get much into HoN or DoTA 2. Spent a lot of time playing LoL but it's filled with Brazilian speaker players who ruin the experience in every possible way. So I stopped playing that.
My friends used to play HoN extensively and I bought the game when it was on sale for $10. Never really got into it as well as DoTA 2. Not sure why not, I used to play a lot of DoTA back in the days.
Major turns offs for me are brazilian players, griefers and afk players which sadly makes up good amount of playerbase.
I kinda have hopes for Blizzard ALL-STARS, but after Diablo 3 fiasco, that might not be the case anymore.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 01:34 Post subject: |
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Yeah because with my €40,- per week i have enough to smoke 5 grams per day
Dream on kiddo
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). So I stopped even trying to play.
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. I was playing as Chen btw.
