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 Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 15:14 Post subject: EU might ban loot boxes |
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| Quote: | | On september 12th 2024 The Norwegian Consumer Council, together with 21 consumer organizations from 17 countries, submitted a complaint to EU authorities on the unfair practices of leading video game companies, behind games such as Fortnite, EA Sports FC 24, Minecraft and Clash of Clans. Our analysis concludes that traders breach EU consumer protection laws. We call on authorities to ensure that traders play by the rules and provide consumers with safe gaming environments. The joint action is facilitated by the european consumer organization BEUC. |
https://www.forbrukerradet.no/report-on-virtual-currencies-in-gaming-getting-played/
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 15:55 Post subject: |
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Bullshit legislation. The EU should not decide how people spend there free time and money. What’s next, time limits for gaming like in China??
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Ankh
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 16:15 Post subject: Re: EU might ban loot boxes |
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| escalibur wrote: | | Quote: | | On september 12th 2024 The Norwegian Consumer Council, together with 21 consumer organizations from 17 countries, submitted a complaint to EU authorities on the unfair practices of leading video game companies, behind games such as Fortnite, EA Sports FC 24, Minecraft and Clash of Clans. Our analysis concludes that traders breach EU consumer protection laws. We call on authorities to ensure that traders play by the rules and provide consumers with safe gaming environments. The joint action is facilitated by the european consumer organization BEUC. |
https://www.forbrukerradet.no/report-on-virtual-currencies-in-gaming-getting-played/ |
good.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 16:16 Post subject: |
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| friketje wrote: | | Bullshit legislation. The EU should not decide how people spend there free time and money. What’s next, time limits for gaming like in China?? |
Imo ditch the loot boxes and make it so you get what you pay for instead.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 16:19 Post subject: |
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| Ankh wrote: | | friketje wrote: | | Bullshit legislation. The EU should not decide how people spend there free time and money. What’s next, time limits for gaming like in China?? |
Imo ditch the loot boxes and make it so you get what you pay for instead. |
That’s not the point. People should decide for themselves if they want to pay for bullshit lootboxes. Who cares, the Eu should not intervene.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 16:31 Post subject: |
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Nah, fuck lootboxes. It's predatory shit that takes advantage of kids and stupid parents. At the very least they should force your games to be 18+, and then you'll have the same effect as banning.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 17:00 Post subject: |
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Agreed, fuck that stupid shit as predatory practices grow like wildfire as in no time pretty much every game ends up with them. No business wants to leave legal easy money on the table and not only does it completely ruin the gaming experience it also feeds on low impulse control consoomers/children to keep funding the ruining for all of us.
Again fuck it and fuck that Ancap ayn rand bullshit. Her utopia already exists it's called the third world.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 17:34 Post subject: |
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Just like EU wants to see the inner workings behind Apple AI (which could result it not coming to EU market at all), it wants to see and control every other thing out there. In the future big game companies may not bring some of their titles to the EU market then.
Loot box is for retarded consumer, but still consumers must take responsibility for their actions.
EU is on a spree to regulate and control many different aspects, including the Commission wanting to get backdoors to popular encryption protocols out there. This in turn means China, Iran and Russia want them too, then.
We should not endorse many actions this big union has been taking lately in the name of "for kids' protection", "due to safety", "to protect the consumer".
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 18:01 Post subject: |
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And every rule gives the EU more power. Democratic control is absent cause there is no public interest in EU regulation. So they can do what they please. Burocrats are in power. This can turn into some sort of China type burocracy. So the EU should not be concerned with such trival laws. Lootboxes, who cares. It not a problem for society.
People have the right to do stupid things. And if people enjoy playing a game with lootboxes and spend a couple of Euro's on it, be it a 100 or more even, who gives a fuck. If they enjoy themselves then good for them. If not, they should act wiser next time.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 18:08 Post subject: |
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Do you need a hug?
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 18:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 18:12 Post subject: |
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| friketje wrote: | | Ankh wrote: | | friketje wrote: | | Bullshit legislation. The EU should not decide how people spend there free time and money. What’s next, time limits for gaming like in China?? |
Imo ditch the loot boxes and make it so you get what you pay for instead. |
That’s not the point. People should decide for themselves if they want to pay for bullshit lootboxes. Who cares, the Eu should not intervene. |
Maybe you aren't aware, but governmental bodies make all kinds of laws that are good for people and society in general.
| friketje wrote: | And every rule gives the EU more power. Democratic control is absent cause there is no public interest in EU regulation. So they can do what they please. Burocrats are in power. This can turn into some sort of China type burocracy. So the EU should not be concerned with such trival laws. Lootboxes, who cares. It not a problem for society.
People have the right to do stupid things. And if people enjoy playing a game with lootboxes and spend a couple of Euro's on it, be it a 100 or more even, who gives a fuck. If they enjoy themselves then good for them. If not, they should act wiser next time. |
Who cares? I can name at least one person 
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 18:19 Post subject: |
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Newty182 it is my god given right to sell your dementia suffering grandma my miracle youth fountain snake oil and it is her responsibility to say no!
when your morals amount to "number go up" the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify obviously malicious business practices are insane.
If you want people's money provide actual value instead of this scummy shit.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 18:45 Post subject: |
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Oct 2024 19:58 Post subject: |
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But its our godgiven right to be poisoned, buttfucked and impoverished by the nice corporations that only want to help us waste our lives.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 10:44 Post subject: |
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I never buy lootboxes, but sometimes f2p games can be fun for a couple of hours.
So people are happy that you are forbidden to play those games if you please cause the "state" (EU is not a state but tries to) decides you shouldn't cause they believe you can't decide for yourself.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 11:01 Post subject: |
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| friketje wrote: | I never buy lootboxes, but sometimes f2p games can be fun for a couple of hours.
So people are happy that you are forbidden to play those games if you please cause the "state" (EU is not a state but tries to) decides you shouldn't cause they believe you can't decide for yourself. |
Your investment in this thread makes me believe you've bought a great many lootboxes or microtransactions in general. No way would anyone white knight a concept like this otherwise.
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Stige
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 11:44 Post subject: |
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EU is fucking retarded. They just keep proving it with every single decision they make. Not a single good thing has come out of this EU nonsense.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 11:49 Post subject: |
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Tell that to my forced 2 year warranty on electronics or the fact that the iphone now has to use USB-C instead of their own stupid shit
also no roaming charges, GDPR to protect our privacy (at least better than before), numerous health and safety standards for example for food and surely more
in a world of companies that are worth more than a lot of countries combined, companies that are getting so powerful that only a few global players can even stand up to them it's good to have one more such player, namely the EU, that can actually tell those companies what to do
It ain't quite the cyberpunk dystopia yet thank god
also lootboxes fuck kids (and their parents) most of all, so this can only be a good thing
if they don't like it make your games 18+ only, not sure which way they'd like less
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 12:05 Post subject: |
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| Amadeus wrote: | Tell that to my forced 2 year warranty on electronics or the fact that the iphone now has to use USB-C instead of their own stupid shit
also no roaming charges, GDPR to protect our privacy (at least better than before), numerous health and safety standards for example for food and surely more
in a world of companies that are worth more than a lot of countries combined, companies that are getting so powerful that only a few global players can even stand up to them it's good to have one more such player, namely the EU, that can actually tell those companies what to do
It ain't quite the cyberpunk dystopia yet thank god
also lootboxes fuck kids (and their parents) most of all, so this can only be a good thing
if they don't like it make your games 18+ only, not sure which way they'd like less |
You forgot forced software update to phone OS's for 5 years. Who in their right mind would want that! </sarcasm>
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 12:28 Post subject: |
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GDPR is a broken mess, and it is not working as intended. Plus it has created a mess of having to click on every 1/3 page sized cookie layer before accessing something, yet nobody reads cooki policy anyway (like auto-clicking yes on Windows EULA). Also quite a few American news sites that i used to visit are still inaccessible due to GDPR, because they are not willing to modify their sites to EU's "standards".
EU was good in its original form: free market trade and movement between member states. This was its main goal. Every micro-calibration it likes to enforce now is just silly.
About business practices: people LEARN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. It should be irrelevant that a big number of people are stupid and make poor decisions.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 12:31 Post subject: |
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You can only diss EU's regulatory standards if you're a multinational corporation looking to stiff people as hard as you can. Either that or you're a masochist that wants to eat rotten and toxic food, and use explosive/DoA tools & appliances and the list goes on to no end until it's a nightmare.
You really have living examples of this shit all around you in countries that have zero checks on corpos, they're all one example of hell or another.
"Let me take advantage of the Stupid and disadvantaged because fuck them" is not a recipe for an environment you wanna live in.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 12:50 Post subject: |
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| Iwasfaggotonce wrote: |
About business practices: people LEARN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. It should be irrelevant that a big number of people are stupid and make poor decisions. |
Unregulated "Free market" is a mess and isn't free anyway. There is no responsibility.
Oh but, just don't buy the loot boxes. Doesn't matter if I do. If enough people do then they will affect how games are made and work for me as well, and they will push it to that point one way or another. Not to mention the ruined lives along the way.
Oh, who cares about right to repair, just don't buy from x company. Doesn't matter, because every other company will copy the one getting away with it, and they'll all take their turn fucking you. Companies don't want a free market, they want a market free of regulation where they get to make the rules and bend you over how they please.
And it gets even worse the more necessary the product is, so yeah.. regulations are pretty much mandatory for the "Free market" to function.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 13:26 Post subject: |
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| Iwasfaggotonce wrote: | | About business practices: people LEARN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. It should be irrelevant that a big number of people are stupid and make poor decisions. |
Yeah, let dirty business practices go unanswered, let fraud and exploitation go unpunished, let all the sharks abuse and take advantage of people.
Uhm, no.
There's a difference between business and business. Fair business that follow the rules and don't manipulate people (too much) is fine. Corrupt business that use seriously dirty business practices should be held responsible for their abuse.
You're thinking backwards; you want the victims to take responsibility, not the perpetrators.
If "Free Market" was completely free and unregulated we'd see Vault-Tec levels of insane business practices.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 13:57 Post subject: |
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I'm not saying totally abolishing all the rules and/or frameworks how to conduct business.
United States is a good example, it doesn't have many of these over-regulating rules and laws that the EU does and is pushing for more. And it is lightyears ahead in terms of innovation and the place where things happen compared to stagnating EU. USA does have its own stupid regulations in some other fields, sure.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 15:20 Post subject: |
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| Iwasfaggotonce wrote: | I'm not saying totally abolishing all the rules and/or frameworks how to conduct business.
United States is a good example, it doesn't have many of these over-regulating rules and laws that the EU does and is pushing for more. And it is lightyears ahead in terms of innovation and the place where things happen compared to stagnating EU. USA does have its own stupid regulations in some other fields, sure. |
US is entirely based on consumerism and putting corporations first, not the population. That's why FDA doesn't ban proven dangerous food additives, toxic chemicals in various industries and so on. I'm not sure what you mean by "lightyears ahead in innovation" and especially "where things happen".. What KIND of innovation are you talking about?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 15:21 Post subject: |
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| Iwasfaggotonce wrote: | I'm not saying totally abolishing all the rules and/or frameworks how to conduct business.
United States is a good example, it doesn't have many of these over-regulating rules and laws that the EU does and is pushing for more. And it is lightyears ahead in terms of innovation and the place where things happen compared to stagnating EU. USA does have its own stupid regulations in some other fields, sure. |
Yes, USA it's a good example, the number of billionaires has increased hundredfold while the general people are doing far from great. Let's imitate that because "mah market freedom".
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Oct 2024 15:41 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Iwasfaggotonce wrote: | I'm not saying totally abolishing all the rules and/or frameworks how to conduct business.
United States is a good example, it doesn't have many of these over-regulating rules and laws that the EU does and is pushing for more. And it is lightyears ahead in terms of innovation and the place where things happen compared to stagnating EU. USA does have its own stupid regulations in some other fields, sure. |
US is entirely based on consumerism and putting corporations first, not the population. That's why FDA doesn't ban proven dangerous food additives, toxic chemicals in various industries and so on. I'm not sure what you mean by "lightyears ahead in innovation" and especially "where things happen".. What KIND of innovation are you talking about? |
US has a developed venture capital system that supports startups and tech. EU is more conservative and risk-averse with venture capital, which limits rapid scaling of startups. And yes US regulatory environment, especially when it comes to tech and biotech, is more business friendly and flexible (fewer bureaucratic hurdles for launching and scaling operations).
Amazon is a good example. It grew quickly thanks to light regulatory hurdles. There are many people who dislike Amazon, but most consumers love it. And it's a fact (it's cool to hate the bigboiz). Not to mention strict data privacy (non-working) laws like the GDPR, as well as labor laws. It makes it less attractive for companies to move to the EU and invest as much as they would otherwise. "Consumer protection" sounds nice and all, but if it doesn't work it doesn't work. Even most of the leading universities are in the US and are tightly connected to industry and private sector, something that tends to be lacking in EU universities. They foster top talent and do high-tech research in collaboraton with the private sector.
And now to the regulation part that helps US companies to thrive: US has strong IP protections that scale across the country. EU wth its complex and multi-country jurisdiction limits it, another way to disincentize private sector funding and innovation. So yes in big part it is due to the fact it is one country with across the board friendly enterprise landscape. It has its downfalls also (namely California and why big money is leaving it especially during covid & now post-covid).
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