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Posted: Sun, 3rd Mar 2013 19:48 Post subject: Viral Video Shows the Extent of U.S. Wealth Inequality |
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Quote: | The issue of wealth inequality across the United States is well known, but this video shows you the extent of that imbalance in dramatic and graphic fashion.
The video, which started going viral on Friday and whose traffic continues to climb on YouTube — reflects the facts as seen from many different sources. We present it without comment, letting you, our readers, be the judge.
So, what do you think? Is the current state of wealth inequality good for the United States, or has it gotten out of hand? |
http://mashable.com/2013/03/02/wealth-inequality/
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Posted: Sun, 3rd Mar 2013 20:01 Post subject: |
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And I doubt it will ever change 
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Posted: Sun, 3rd Mar 2013 20:03 Post subject: |
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Proberbly not...really scary shit.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 00:59 Post subject: |
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Yes, that country is well and truly ruined. And it will get even worse before it gets better.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 01:00 Post subject: |
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The relevant issue is not that people are unequal, but why they are unequal.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 01:25 Post subject: |
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People will keep voting for that single guy with most of the wealth because he 'beleives' in Jesus, or whatever the flavour of the month is. I always bring this fact up to hardcore republicans, that 30-50 years ago back in the 'good old days' (The times that republicans want, mind you) taxes were actually higher. The Republican notion that less taxes = a stronger middle class is lunacy, but they've sold it to at least 48-49% of the voters out there.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 01:31 Post subject: |
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This something that is happening here too as we speak, to put it in a banal way, the poor getting poorer -receiving no support whatsoever- and a small percentage of wealthy people getting richer day after day. Not to mention the middle class, that once used to be respectable, and now it's only a source of money for tax collectors, constantly drained like there's no tomorrow. Because fair taxation obviously does not exist.
That's one of the reason why corrupted leaders like Berlusconi can still have the 30% of the votes, with their delirious "I'll give you back the property tax!" "Who cares about the debt, I'll cut taxes for everyone!". It's easy to ride the desperation horse, and the fact that revolutionary movements are now spreading and getting the recognition that they deserve, is a good sign indeed. 
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 05:45 Post subject: |
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Personally I think this is all happening because we are past our peak Oil Reserve. The golden days are over and will never be again and I don't think that anyone we vote in can fix this.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 05:50 Post subject: |
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There are solutions and so, but capitalism never allowed things to change.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 06:12 Post subject: |
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TSR69 wrote: | There are solutions and so, but capitalism never allowed things to change. |
Anyone promoting social and economical equality is either an ignorant socialist or a skilless parasite who wants to justify living off the wealth of others. Most often both.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 08:41 Post subject: |
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Nhiumewyn wrote: | TSR69 wrote: | There are solutions and so, but capitalism never allowed things to change. |
Anyone promoting social and economical equality is either an ignorant socialist or a skilless parasite who wants to justify living off the wealth of others. Most often both. |
Just as anyone promoting pure capitalism as the answer to a stable marketl ecosystem across the board, is ignorant of human nature, history, and its lack of long term stability, and concentrating on the shor term selfish gain over the stability of the system they created with it after they are gone....(or to put it another way, this chart is showing unregulated capitalism working extremely well at being successful in itself, but not as a form of stable market.)
We can all make broad strokes of a brush to use the term 'anyone doing so and so' to make the term seem bad along with the people in question with one fell swoop.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 09:21 Post subject: |
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ixigia wrote: | This something that is happening here too as we speak, to put it in a banal way, the poor getting poorer -receiving no support whatsoever- and a small percentage of wealthy people getting richer day after day. Not to mention the middle class, that once used to be respectable, and now it's only a source of money for tax collectors, constantly drained like there's no tomorrow. Because fair taxation obviously does not exist.
That's one of the reason why corrupted leaders like Berlusconi can still have the 30% of the votes, with their delirious "I'll give you back the property tax!" "Who cares about the debt, I'll cut taxes for everyone!". It's easy to ride the desperation horse, and the fact that revolutionary movements are now spreading and getting the recognition that they deserve, is a good sign indeed.  |
I think the situation is like this everywhere.
Here, for the past 20 years, ppl were lead to believe everything is great. They had the little money that they made, could feed their kids, and that's that. Meanwhile, the state descended into a financial pit, because the debt they made is just ridiculously high.
Now, when things are changing, when we have a government that is realistic and is starting to cut the benefits to save the economy (and is not doing a great job btw), ppl are starting to feel the crisis on their back too.
The capitalism as it is today won't last. It simply cannot prevail. It's just a matter of time when ppl in USA start doing what ppl in Greece are doing.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 09:42 Post subject: |
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you would think so dingo, but they arent poor, just temporary not rich. thats how they think and vote, and when they realize they are poor they are taught not to blame anyone else or even the system.
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Paintface wrote: | you would think so dingo, but they arent poor, just temporary not rich. thats how they think and vote, and when they realize they are poor they are taught not to blame anyone else or even the system. |
Well that's capitalism for you
You are not allowed to blame anyone but yourself for being poor..You cant even blame the system that was in place before you got into it, that put you into that situation.
I say it should be a mix of both. Your situation is your own doing up to a point, then the rest of the blame goes to whatever system is it place making it harder for you since you didn't start 'higher up the ladder' when you started climbing.
the whole "its not how far you made it, its from where you started from that counts".
Capitalism encourages people to climb that ladder, sure. But at the same time encourages, even rewards, those above you and well seated already to try to kick you off the ladder as you are climbing. and the farther you are down, the harder you get kicked.
Eventually you get some realllly big boots at the top, as they get rewarded with a LITTLE bit bigger boot each time they kick...and it ends up like it is now.
And I DO think some people should have bigger boots than others that they worked for. But never to the point their boot is so big they can kick the whole ladder itself over, and use that ability to scare others from climbing.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 16:19 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock wrote: | Nhiumewyn wrote: | TSR69 wrote: | There are solutions and so, but capitalism never allowed things to change. |
Anyone promoting social and economical equality is either an ignorant socialist or a skilless parasite who wants to justify living off the wealth of others. Most often both. |
Just as anyone promoting pure capitalism as the answer to a stable marketl ecosystem across the board, is ignorant of human nature, history, and its lack of long term stability, and concentrating on the shor term selfish gain over the stability of the system they created with it after they are gone....(or to put it another way, this chart is showing unregulated capitalism working extremely well at being successful in itself, but not as a form of stable market.)
We can all make broad strokes of a brush to use the term 'anyone doing so and so' to make the term seem bad along with the people in question with one fell swoop. |
First and foremost, that is not capitalism, that is a mixture between state sponsored corporatism and regulated capitalism. In a pure unregulated capitalism society the reality shown in that video would be impossible.
Secondly, the fact that I criticized and exposed the hidden parasitic behavior of a modern leftist or socialist, does not mean that I'm promoting and defending capitalism. A critique of one ideology does not imply adherence to another.
The purpose of this video is above all to make an emotional statement about how unequal the US economy has became, by using real descriptors of that same economy. But what most fail to acknowledge is the differentiation between a flawed economic system and the concept of an unequal society. There are tremendous flaws in the US economical system, some of which weren't even addressed in that video. Regardless, he acknowledgement of that reality doesn't have anything to say about social equality. Social equality is by itself and intrusive, oppressive system that is both unfair to the producing sector of society and breeds an inherent self destructive power to crumble an economy in a medium long term future, the reason for which is that it encourages the massive adherence to social welfare programs that will end up being more intrusive to the producing sector, and at the same time encouraging those who do not produce to have the ability to consume, for free, the products of production. If this isn't an intrinsic anti economic system, then I don't know what is.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 16:26 Post subject: |
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No in unregulated capitalism, its dog eat dog, no limit to the power and wealth. Once one gets an upperhand, their growth is exponential to all below them.
By your own definition its "state sponsored corporatism and regulated capitalism" and whos the 'state sponsored' by? the capitalist..To claim anyone else actually controls it is naive and silly. The capitalist have the lobbiest in their pocket. How much more 'unregulated' can you get that the state being ran by the very people with all the capitalistic power?
so they are using their 'unregulated capitalism desire' to make sure it stays unregulated as much as possible, causing this problem.
Show me how 'regulated' made it this way, and it not being the capitalist forcing 'less regulation' by way of paying to push tax bills that effect them, loopholes to add 'less regulation' on them and such. If anything only reason its NOT worse is people trying to enforce some from of regulation on this steam train headed for a cliff. Otherwise the top 1% would keep shoving coal into it as fast as possible for their own gain.
Where in this equation do you get "they got rich by too much regulation on them"?
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 16:29 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock wrote: | No in unregulated capitalism, its dog eat dog, no limit to the power and wealth. Once one gets an upperhand, their growth is exponential to all below them.
By your own definition its "state sponsored corporatism and regulated capitalism" and whos the 'state sponsored' by? the capitalist..To claim anyone else actually controls it is naive and silly. The capitalist have the lobbiest in their pocket.
so they are using their 'unregulated capitalism desire' to make sure it stays unregulated as much as possible, causing this problem.
Show me how 'regulated' made it this way, and it not being the capitalist forcing 'less regulation' by way of paying to push tax bills that effect them, loopholes to add 'less regulation' on them and such. If anything only reason its NOT worse is people trying to enforce some from of regulation on this steam train headed for a cliff. Otherwise the top 1% would keep shoving coal into it as fast as possible for their own gain.
Where in this equation do you get "they got rich by too much regulation on them"? |
The problem are not the limits of regulations applied to the rich, but the overpowering regulations applied to the poor!
An unregulated capitalistic system means just that, that anyone can potentially compete with any established monopoly and vice versa.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 16:35 Post subject: |
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Nhiumewyn wrote: |
An unregulated capitalistic system means just that, that anyone can potentially compete with any established monopoly and vice versa. |
Yea, they have the 'potential rights' to now...no one's stopping them.
Hell why didnt I think of that..Ive been working for no reason, I could be out starting my competition for Comcast Cable today...let me get my storage of fibercable and telephone poles out of the basement..
How exactly do you expect them to?
Do they just go out, and start up a multi billion dollar business using the $30 they have in savings, while putting up thier 1986 toyoto up as collateral?
The right to be able to 'catch up' and the reality of having the funds, resources, and backing to do so isnt equal
Why arent you sitting on a pile of cash? I mean surely its just as easy for you to make a few billion a year to reinvest to make the next billion thats used to squash competition as the other monopolies where you live.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 16:44 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock wrote: | Nhiumewyn wrote: |
An unregulated capitalistic system means just that, that anyone can potentially compete with any established monopoly and vice versa. |
Yea, they have the 'potential rights' to now...no one's stopping them.
Hell why didnt I think of that..Ive been working for no reason, I could be out starting my competition for Comcast Cable today...let me get my storage of fibercable and telephone poles out of the basement..
How exactly do you expect them to?
Do they just go out, and start up a multi billion dollar business using the $30 they have in savings, while putting up thier 1986 toyoto up as collateral?
The right to be able to 'catch up' and the reality of having the funds, resources, and backing to do so isnt equal
Why arent you sitting on a pile of cash? I mean surely its just as easy for you to make a few billion a year to reinvest to make the next billion that used to squash competition as the other monopolies where you live. |
No it isn't. But you seem to be promoting the mentality that others have the obligation of financing a business that you yourself want to build. That is the problem.
It's not about how difficult or easy it is, but there is a tremendous effect that regulation has on any capitalistic system.
Presently the biggest threat to new business is not to finance the technical aspect of it, but rather to comply with the regulations imposed by lobbyists.
If others have resources or skills that you do not possess, it is not your place and concern to judge them and limit their ability to compete.
Just as it isn't their place to restrict you through overpowering legislation for the sake of securing profits.
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I did not say that they have to finance my business. I'm saying that there is no way to compete.
And yea, that's whats stopping me from making a successful competing business...its not that
I don't have the cash, since the capitalist have unregulated power to horde 99% of it, its that damn regulation lobbyist are doing
really your saying whats stopping me from competing with comcast isn't the lack of start up ability..its the regulations I would have to follow when its up?
If you think america has ANY form of non laughable 'regulation' going on here..your delusional.
About the only regulation we have is the "we will pretend to play by the rules for the cameras"..beyond that, its as unregulated, ran by, controlled, and dictated by the capitalist as it can get...and if the capitalist being able to call their own shots, and make their own rules to pass, isn't 'unregulated' I dont know what is.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 16:56 Post subject: |
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Nhiumewyn wrote: |
Just as it isn't their place to restrict you through overpowering legislation for the sake of securing profits. |
No its not..but in an unregulated capitalistic market..they could, and will (and do).
By telling them they must allow new start ups, and not try to stop them any way possible..would be 'regulating' them.
How can you see a totally free market of such, where the big guys would allow, of their own free will, competition to make it to their level?
Hell if I was a big business with no regulations on how I do business at all. that would be my FIRST thing id do. everything in my power to make sure that no one, at all, could even try to compete with me, start up anything even remotely like what I do. and be sure to buy out, shut down, and bankrupt any small sapling of a business I saw as a upcoming threat.
I would make sure that the laws that dictate how we are not regulated in anyway, skew the favor of that lack of regulation to the big guys side of the court. Letting our "might and wealth means we WILL out win you" kill anyone's chance of even considering making a start up against me.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock wrote: | I did not say that they have to finance my business. I'm saying that there is no way to compete.
And yea, that's whats stopping me from making a successful competing business...its not that
I don't have the cash, since the capitalist have unregulated power to horde 99% of it, its that damn regulation lobbyist are doing
really your saying whats stopping me from competing with comcast isn't the lack of start up ability..its the regulations I would have to follow when its up?
If you think america has ANY form of non laughable 'regulation' going on here..your delusional.
About the only regulation we have is the "we will pretend to play by the rules for the cameras"..beyond that, its as unregulated, ran by, controlled, and dictated by the capitalist as it can get...and if the capitalist being able to call their own shots, and make their own rules to pass, isn't 'unregulated' I dont know what is. |
And that was my point about equality, that you seemed to misinterpret once again.
The issue is not that everyone is able to compete, the issue is that those who can aren't overpowered by restrictive regulations.
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There goes this thread...
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DXWarlock wrote: | Nhiumewyn wrote: |
Just as it isn't their place to restrict you through overpowering legislation for the sake of securing profits. |
No its not..but in an unregulated capitalistic market..they could, and will (and do).
By telling them they must allow new start ups, and not try to stop them any way possible..would be 'regulating' them.
How can you see a totally free market of such, where the big guys would allow, of their own free will, competition to make it to their level?
Hell if I was a big business with no regulations on how I do business at all. that would be my FIRST thing id do. everything in my power to make sure that no one, at all, could even try to compete with me, start up anything even remotely like what I do. and be sure to buy out, shut down, and bankrupt any small sapling of a business I saw as a upcoming threat.
I would make sure that the laws that dictate how we are not regulated in anyway, skew the favor of that lack of regulation to the big guys side of the court. Letting our "might and wealth means we WILL out win you" kill anyone's chance of even considering making a start up against me. |
You do understand what lack of regulation means, don't you?
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But its capitalism..there is NO such think as equality in unadulterated capitalism.
There is only the concept of "Me before them" "My profit before anyone else"..etc etc.
How can you claim equality on a field where the goal is to push some down so you can climb above them?
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 17:05 Post subject: |
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You two should just get a room already.
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Posted: Mon, 4th Mar 2013 17:05 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock wrote: | But its capitalism..there is NO such think as equality in unadulterated capitalism.
There is only the concept of "Me before them" "My profit before anyone else"..etc etc.
How can you claim equality on a field where the goal is to push some down so you can climb above them? |
Who is claiming equality?
I'm criticizing equality!
You should learn to read before posting.
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