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I'm creating this thread as a guide to people trying to install Windows 7.
THIS IS NOT A WINDOWS 7 SUPPORT THREAD IN THE USUAL WAY! It is ment solely for the purpose of guiding users how to install Windows 7, and the problems dealing with the immediate problems caused by the installation (like activation). For other support, please ask here: http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50922
Q: What Windows 7 release should I get?
A: Any 7600.16385 RTM release is fine. It is recommended to get an unmodified release (untouched ISO) and later use a crack/loader to activate it.
Q: Do all those releases include all versions of Windows 7, or do I have to get a special All-in-One release?
A: No, all releases include all the avaible SKUs (such as Ultimate, Professional, Home Premium, etc). They are determined at setup, when you do not enter a serial. If you seek the 64-bit editions of Windows 7 though, you'll have to use a 64-bit release.
Q: Do I need a valid serial to install and use Windows 7?
A: No, Windows 7 allows you to install it without a serial and use it for a grace period of 30 days. If you choose not to insert a serial in the installation, it will ask you which SKU you have "purchased." To extend the 30 days grace period, you either need to rearm the grace period or use a crack/loader.
Q: Is there a working crack/loader for Windows 7?
A: Yes. Several OEM master keys have been leaked and people have made loaders using these keys to make Windows 7 activated. Using the latest loader is important to make sure you use the latest keys, which can't be blocked by Microsoft (these keys are given to OEMs already and will lead to a disaster if blacklisted).
Q: Where do I get the crack/loader?
A: You can get the currently best loader from this thread over at MyDigitalLife. Please PM me if links such as these are forbidden, and I will remove them.
Q: Hey, I've seen a crack/loader called "XXXXXX," which states it is better than the cracks/loaders you recommend, and is easier to use. Should I use that instead?
A: I cannot keep an updated list of all cracks/loaders available, since they are all basically using the same method of activating Windows7, and anyone could pop a new crack/loader whenever he pleases. It is always recommended using the most popular one, simple because a lot of people have tried it and is known to not be a malicious software.
Q: Can I use Windows Updates with the crack/loader?
A: As of 06/08/09, yes, you can!. MS has not yet issued a patch to render the loaders useless, however they have stated that they will blacklist the currently used OEM key.
Q: Is it safe to use Window Updates?
A: Yes, it is safe to use Windows Updates for now. My recommendation would be to set it to notify you of newly available updates, and you install them one by one. Before installing new updates, it is wise to check out the MyDigitalLife forum for feedback on those patches.
Q: So what do those cracks/loaders actually do?
A: They install an emulator that fools Windows 7 into thinking you have a certain BIOS. Windows 7 activates itself automatically.
Q: So are these loaders actually cracks?
A: No, they are actually not cracks, but software that fools Windows 7 into thinking you have an OEM hardware. Windows 7 activates itself. 
Q: What is the easiest way of installing Windows 7?
A: There are a few simple steps you have to follow in order to install Windows 7 correctly:
- It is recomended to have Windows 7 on a DVD. Installation through virtual drives is buggy and fails occasionally. Any release should be fine with this method.
- Boot the PC with the Windows 7 installation DVD. At some point, the setup program will ask you to insert a product key. Click "Next." Setup will now ask you if you want to insert a key at this point. Select "No." The setup program will ask you to choose the edition you have selected. Select any edition you want.
- Fill all other information normally. Let the installation complete.
- When Windows 7 first boots, download the loader and make a folder on the desktop called "Loader". Extract all the files of the loader to that folder.
- Click the Start Orb and type "Command Prompt". A command prompt link should appear. Right click on it, and select "Run As Administrator." UAC prompt should appear. Allow the operation.
- Head to the "Loader" folder on the desktop. You should check the readme file included with the loader to see precise instructions on how to run it.
- Restart the computer. Windows 7 should boot up normally. Every now and then, to make sure the loader is working and the key is not blacklisted, right click on "Computer" and select "Properties." It should say Windows 7 is activated and genuine.
- Windows 7 is now ready to use, fully updateable.
Q: How can I easily configure and tweak the Windows 7 boot manager?
A: Starting with Vista, MS has changed the boot manager completely. The new manager is more robust and allows more control on the boot process. Windows 7 uses that boot manager. It is, however, much harder to configure and set up. There are 3rd party tools that make configuration much easier. Some of those are: VistaBootPro and EasyBCD.
Q: I've previously installed Windows 7 with a different crack/loader and now I understand my sin. Can I still use the recommended cracks without reinstalling Windows 7?
A: Yes and no. If your previous crack had an uninstall feature, use that first to remove it. If it doesn't, or can't find the previous crack/loader, you could be out of luck. You can try running them both concurrently, but this may raise issues (like conflicts between the loaders). If that is the case, I'd recommend reinstalling Windows 7 and starting all over again. As a rule, having two things do the same thing is almost always the worst case scenario.
Anyway, here are the things to do:
- Remove the previous crack using its uninstall feature and restart the PC to be sure it's really removed.
- When Windows 7 loads in uncracked form, download the loader and make a folder on the desktop called "Loader". Extract all the files of the loader to that folder.
- Click the Start Orb and type "Command Prompt." A command prompt link should appear. Right click on it, and select "Run As Administrator." UAC prompt should appear. Allow the operation.
- Head to the "Loader" folder on the desktop. You should check the readme file included with the loader to see precise instructions on how to run it.
- Restart the computer one last time.
This is the fail-safe method of going the right way with the correct crack. Some of the steps are not really necessary, but this is the best way to be sure it's working correctly.
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Additional questions you may find helpful
Q: I have decided to buy an Upgrade version of Windows 7. Do I need to first install Vista first and then upgrade to Windows 7?
A: No! You can use the upgrade disk and do a clean install using a trick described here (the trick is for Vista, but works for Windows 7 as well). Using this method, you can also install Windows 7 Upgrade Version without actually owning a previous Windows.
Q: I currently have a 32bit operating system (XP or Vista). Can I buy a 64bit upgrade version of Windows 7?
A: Yes! You will not be able to upgrade from the 32bit OS to the 64bit one directly, but you will be able to do a clean Windows 7 install. During that install, you will be asked for your previous OS' key.
Q: Which versions of Windows can I upgrade to Windows 7 directly during installation?
A: First, you can only upgrade a 32bit OS with a 32bit OS and a 64bit OS with a 64bit OS. You can't upgrade a 32bit OS directly to a 64bit OS. In order to do that, you will need to back up all your files and do a clean install.
Upgrading Windows 7 using an unmodified Windows 7 disk, you can only upgrade from a Windows Vista installation and Windows 7 builds from the RTM branch with build numbers higher than 7232 (excluding). In order to upgrade an earlier build, like the RC 7100 build, you have to extract the DVD and modify the \Source\cversion.ini file like so:
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At any rate, upgrading from XP is neither possible nor advisable, due to the enormous architectural differences.
Q: Is an upgrade advisable, as opposed to doing a clean install?
A: No right and wrong answer; there are several schools of thought here, some to the extreme "never use upgrade, it sucks", some to the other extreme "I don't want to install anything, so always upgrade". Neither are 100% correct. In my opinion, some logical judgment should be put before upgrading. How old is the build? The closer to RTM build you have, most chances are everything will work fine. The older the build is, the more chances things will go wrong and you will experience bugs.
Q: I have upgraded my system, but now Daemon Tools (or another application using SPTD) refuses to install. What do I do?
A: Very important: Uninstall Daemon Tools and SPTD before upgrading your Windows! If you have already upgraded your Windows, and now can't install Daemon Tools, do the following:
- Run Regedit.
- In "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\ Services\sptd", change DWORD "Start" value to 4.
- Restart your computer in Safe Mode.
- Run Regedit again.
- Right click on "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\sptd" and select permissions.
- Click Advanced. Click "Add..." and add your user (with administrative privileges). Select "Replace all child object permissions ...". Click OK.
- Delete "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\sptd".
- Restart the computer normally and install your software.
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Hope this FAQ will help you guys, and stop noobs from asking same questions all over. If you have ideas that could improve it (useful questions, grammar issues, etc), post them here (or PM me).
Leo Natan
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11/08/09: Added questions about upgrading, as well as about purchasing an upgrade version of Windows 7 and what it means, so there are not misconceptions. 
11/08/09: Added information on how to fix and reinstall Daemon Tools and/or SPTD after upgrading to Windows 7 with Daemon Tools/SPTD already installed (in the previous OS).
13/08/09: Updated FAQ with the new "7Loader 1.4".
03/09/09: Updated the FAQ with a different loader, recommended over at the other thread.
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Thanks a bunch for this Leo you rock!
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tl : dr! SUMMORIZE MOTHA FUCKKAAAA!!!!!
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I downloaded the loader and when i open it it is saying this operating system is unsupported?
I am using windows 7 ultimate 64 bit....?
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 18:07 Post subject: |
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Did you try running it as admin (right click -> Run as Administrator)? Because Ultimate is of course supported. :\
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 18:30 Post subject: |
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Did you follow their steps?
| Quote: | Using a BIE release or another pre-activated Windows 7?
Failing to do the following can result in failed genuine status against the WAT update.
1. Launch the loader application and select to uninstall
2. Reboot your PC
3. Install my loader version
4. Before you become genuine you may need to rerun the WAT check online via the MS website |
This is the first time I hear of this issue. If it still occurs, you should post on their forum, maybe it is some compatibility issue which they can fix.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 18:37 Post subject: |
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My loader doesn't install iNatan?
So i can't uninstall it?
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I just used that iNatan and now my comp will not start up? 
I now have to use my old winxp install.
Is there a way to repair my windows7 install?
Not your fault anyway m8 if i have to i will re install windows 7 as you was helping me out.
Just want to find a way to fix the startup now?
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 19:32 Post subject: |
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Reinstall, I guess. Your Windows 7 is very strange.
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Were you using a beta version of win7?
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| Newty182 wrote: | | Were you using a beta version of win7? |
It didn't say from what i can remember when i downloaded it that it was a beta.
But it said it was from that loader so it must be?
I'll download another release.
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BIE releases are blacklisted and will fail genuine test. You need to uninstall their loader and install new one. Also, if you dont uninstall first and install other loaders on top of loaders - your windows keys (tokens) will be broken for good and need to format.
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I need a dummys guide here I'm afraid people?
Any chance some1 can link me to what i need to do please/?
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 22:58 Post subject: |
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You mean the guide is not enough?  What more do you need? There are exact steps to follow with BIE release on the loader thread I have linked.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th May 2010 17:03 Post subject: |
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meh i got the loader, followed the readme and now everything is fine again ... thanks bud! great tool!
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| Posted: Thu, 20th May 2010 17:06 Post subject: |
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Glad to hear
Yeah, best to have the WU not update automatically. Have it at manual, and take a loot from time to time what the updates are - if you see "Activation", just hide it.
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Jun 2010 23:47 Post subject: |
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used this thread again last night on my oh's laptop - thanks again!
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Jul 2010 21:53 Post subject: |
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iNatan! Help! The windows loader listed here isn't working any more!!!
My Windows 7 machine is not genuine.... NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Aware of any other toolz to fix this shizz?
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Just get DAZ's loader 1.9
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Horrordee wrote: | iNatan! Help! The windows loader listed here isn't working any more!!!
My Windows 7 machine is not genuine.... NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Aware of any other toolz to fix this shizz? |
Hm I think this is due to an update that was released some time ago. Did you recently use Windows Update?
Here is more information how to fix:
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/19404-Not-genuine-after-KB971033-update-Read-this! |
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The loader also now has instructions on how to deal with WGA and how to keep it but re-authenticate so it passes as genuine without being flagged again.
(As since 1.8.x something, latest version as of a few days ago released is 1.8.9 with some minor fixes and updates to the GRLD boot system it uses and minor fixes on certain models and when using the hibernation or sleep features.)
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Hmm I've just got the newest version of the loader, run it, uninstalled, restarted, "windows is not genuine" still appears, installed the loader, restarted, "windows is not genuine" still appears.
I followed iNatan's guide but I have not used that specific CD key so that doesn't apply to me.
JBeckman - where are these instructions you talk of? I couldn't find any ... the readme just describes uninstalling / installing via DAZ's tool!
Anyone got any other ideas?
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