lightboost messes up already poor TN colors even further as well as introduces flicker and fucks up brightness. but i guess 120hz esports wannabe dudebro such as yourself don't care about that
lightboost messes up already poor TN colors even further as well as introduces flicker and fucks up brightness. but i guess 120hz esports wannabe dudebro such as yourself don't care about that
The common argument they'll have is that colors don't matter when you are gaming since stuff is moving too fast anyways. OK
Colours in TN panels aren't THAT bad as you guys are trying to make.
Sure, it's not nearly as accurate as an IPS panel but the way you talk about it is as if it was black and white only. -.-
TN is fine if you can't afford IPS. That's about as much as I have to say. It's good enough for the price it is. The horrid viewing angles is what kills TN for me, that and I require a matte display and most TN aren't matte.
Colours in TN panels aren't THAT bad as you guys are trying to make.
Sure, it's not nearly as accurate as an IPS panel but the way you talk about it is as if it was black and white only. -.-
true, more expensive TN monitors have decent colors, but TN color shift totally ruins it anyway. you can be looking at it from perfect angle and top portion of the screen will always be darker than bottom, and colors at the top will never look the same as colors at the bottom.
Colours in TN panels aren't THAT bad as you guys are trying to make.
Sure, it's not nearly as accurate as an IPS panel but the way you talk about it is as if it was black and white only. -.-
true, more expensive TN monitors have decent colors, but TN color shift totally ruins it anyway. you can be looking at it from perfect angle and top portion of the screen will always be darker than bottom, and colors at the top will never look the same as colors at the bottom.
Yeah, maybe I just have low standards when it comes to that but then again I'm from the 14inch 60Hz CRT generation so anything looks good to me when I'm comparing.
In other words, it doesn't bother me as much. However the feel of a game under 90FPS is a different story (again the old CRT generation).
Edit:
With that said, I have to say that the 144Hz monitor Benq XL2411T is overhyped and I barely notice any difference with it than with my older 60Hz monitor. It was still however a good purchase and I don't regret it.
Colours in TN panels aren't THAT bad as you guys are trying to make.
Sure, it's not nearly as accurate as an IPS panel but the way you talk about it is as if it was black and white only. -.-
true, more expensive TN monitors have decent colors, but TN color shift totally ruins it anyway. you can be looking at it from perfect angle and top portion of the screen will always be darker than bottom, and colors at the top will never look the same as colors at the bottom.
Yeah, maybe I just have low standards when it comes to that but then again I'm from the 14inch 60Hz CRT generation so anything looks good to me when I'm comparing.
In other words, it doesn't bother me as much. However the feel of a game under 90FPS is a different story (again the old CRT generation).
Edit:
With that said, I have to say that the 144Hz monitor Benq XL2411T is overhyped and I barely notice any difference with it than with my older 60Hz monitor. It was still however a good purchase and I don't regret it.
I'm from the early tube days as well, but TN is subpar even compared to the later CRT's. Really, everything is subpar compared to the 24'' Sony Trinitron CRT's (If you can find one of these used that is in good condition it is worth buying) but the fact that I don't have something that weighs 75 pounds on my desk is nice.
lightboost messes up already poor TN colors even further as well as introduces flicker and fucks up brightness. but i guess 120hz esports wannabe dudebro such as yourself don't care about that
Gonna bite: How am I some esport wannabe lol.
Only game you could say I have ever played competitive is WoW Arena.
And to the guy saying 144Hz is no different to 60Hz, get some glasses lol?
First time I reinstalled after using 120Hz for a while I was wondering why the fuck is my mouse so choppy on desktop, drivers default to 120Hz :l
But judging from your post you actually got no real experience with it, just from what you read (And what I have read aswell).
lightboost messes up already poor TN colors even further as well as introduces flicker and fucks up brightness. but i guess 120hz esports wannabe dudebro such as yourself don't care about that
Gonna bite: How am I some esport wannabe lol.
Only game you could say I have ever played competitive is WoW Arena.
And to the guy saying 144Hz is no different to 60Hz, get some glasses lol?
First time I reinstalled after using 120Hz for a while I was wondering why the fuck is my mouse so choppy on desktop, drivers default to 120Hz :l
But judging from your post you actually got no real experience with it, just from what you read (And what I have read aswell).
Umm, that's me who said I don't notice the difference between my 60 and 144hz monitor. I should add that I don't notice it in-game where it actually matters but in desktop I do notice it since I have a 60hz monitor next to it.
And to be perfectly honest, I don't notice the difference in BF3 when comparing to my 60hz (FPS wise it's another story since then it's more then just the visual).
Anywho, I tried lightboost for about 5 minutes (used the crv.exe) and theb reverted back. Reason for this was because I was fucking around with drivers and didn't want LB to be an unexpected variable.
lightboost messes up already poor TN colors even further as well as introduces flicker and fucks up brightness. but i guess 120hz esports wannabe dudebro such as yourself don't care about that
Dayum! A must have then... If I actually played any FPS games.
Colours in TN panels aren't THAT bad as you guys are trying to make.
Sure, it's not nearly as accurate as an IPS panel but the way you talk about it is as if it was black and white only. -.-
I have a AW2310 sitting next to a PB278Q
It's pretty fucking noticeable.
Sometimes I will drag a web design over to the other monitor to check and it's HORRendous. I don't know how I got by for so long using dodgy colours like that.
From what I read that AW2310 is pretty sub-par to begin with ;o
Sometimes I will drag a web design over to the other monitor to check and it's HORRendous. I don't know how I got by for so long using dodgy colours like that.
You even see the difference between badly calibrated IPS panels. I can drag something from my MBP's display to my main display and suddenly see gradients that weren't there before. And that's where it becomes important to get a properly calibrated monitor, like Dell's Ultrasharps, HP's ZR's.
Just sent my HD7950 away so I'm stuck with the iGPU and 60Hz for today... MOTHER OF GOD THIS IS SO SHITTY IN EVERY WAY!!
I couldn't imagine a life without 120Hz anymore ._.
WoW runs at 90-100 FPS ingame but it feels like it's 30 or some shit, MOTHER OF GOD HOW AM I GONNA SURVIVE THIS ONE DAY
If game runs 90-100fps on 60hz monitor... How it can feel 30 fps ? This is some hardcore shit. Wait till you try the lightboost shit, there is no turning back to normal 120hz since everything is so blurry and shit, you are gonna be best WoW player ever afterwards
Just sent my HD7950 away so I'm stuck with the iGPU and 60Hz for today... MOTHER OF GOD THIS IS SO SHITTY IN EVERY WAY!!
I couldn't imagine a life without 120Hz anymore ._.
WoW runs at 90-100 FPS ingame but it feels like it's 30 or some shit, MOTHER OF GOD HOW AM I GONNA SURVIVE THIS ONE DAY
If game runs 90-100fps on 60hz monitor... How it can feel 30 fps ? This is some hardcore shit. Wait till you try the lightboost shit, there is no turning back to normal 120hz since everything is so blurry and shit, you are gonna be best WoW player ever afterwards
EDIT: Stige get this setup
love how every screen has different colours
That vid made me lol
I wonder if he has even bothered trying to calibrate them hahaha
I'm already best at WoW so no gains there ((
But fuck this 60Hz is so laggy still, already forgot about it during the day.
Fingers crossed I can get the 660Ti from post tomorrow.
Well, my brother said it improved his kill to death ratio, so maybe it does work pretty good...
You may want to see this:
It actually does improve things.
LightBoost is worse color, but motion clarity is amazing.
Here is proof, with links included:
Torr Samaho wrote:
LINK: Post by "Torr Samaho" from Geforce Forums
in case someone is wondering what's so great about using lightboost without glasses: i can confirm you get practically blur-free motion on your LCD.. the difference was so obvious to me that i stayellow surprised at my screen when i used lightboost for the first time.
people have different sensitivities to motion blur. i'm one of those who get a kind of motion sickness or nausea from seeing a continously bluryellow image.
to make it clear: no one can consciously see millisecond differences. what you do see however is their effect on the image: a screen with 1 ms response time blurs significantly less than a screen with 10 ms response time. this is visible in mark's captions of objects moving on-screen.
i'm not gaming competitively, i just want to see sharp motion, as blur detracts from the gaming experience.
i have tried plain 120 hz screens before. they were clearly better than the blurry mess that 60 hz screens are (at least when you play fast shooters with a high sens, like i do) but they still only delayed that motion sickness. lightboost has finally eliminated it. for gaming it's the biggest improvement in LCD technology yet.
mark's articles convinced me. i bought an nvidia card and a lightboost monitor only for this purpose (even downgrading static image quality, as i had a WQHD IPS monitor)
“I would like to bring your attention to the sudden increase in my average (i.e. running) KDR that started towards the end of february, the exact time i bought a ASUS 2ms 120hz monitor with light boost (upgraded from a Hannspree 5.5ms 60hz monitor). Please ignore the wild peaks and troughs at the beginning of this graph, this was a period of first learning to play that game well and then the updates that came along to stop the weapons having as much power and accuracy (making it tougher to kill as many people in a single clip hence i died more). After the first 9 months of game updates the game finally smoothened out with fairly consistent weapons handling and pyellowictability once again. This is represented by the consistently stable kdr throughout the long middle period of the graph.”
immetjes wrote:
LINK: Post by immetjes on overclockers.co.uk Forum
“I’m using the XL2411T with lightboost since 21-Dec-2012. You can see on the picture below how my stats improved; don’t be fooled by how little it seems as these are average stats and with the history going back a year stats change slowly. 19-Dec-2012 is using the old set-up (GTX260 SLI and normal LCD). After that it is the XL2411T driven by one GTX670 OC and then since 12-Jan-2013 GTX670 OC in SLI.”
“I also tried the 144Hz/120Hz without lightboost but I like the 120Hz with lightboost better. In game I can tell straight away if lightboost is off or on because of the blur.”
Inu wrote:
LINK: Post by "Inu" from HardForum
I can confirm this works on BENQ XL2420TX
EDIT: And OMG i can play scout so much better now in TF2, this is borderline cheating.
Skyviper wrote:
LINK: Post by "Skyviper" from HardForum
So I finally got the VG248QE hooked up last night and was able to play around with it for a couple hours. The other monitor that I have is a HP ZR30W which is a 30" 2560x1600 IPS monitor so I will be comparing the VG248QE to that a lot in this review.
Right off the bat, I noticed the color quality seems to be a lot worse than the ZR30W. Everything looks to be washed out, dull and not to mention the monitor suffers from poor viewing angles. On the ZR30W, there is next to no color shifting when I move my head around unlike the VG248QE, but that's a common problem with all TN monitors. I tried calibrating the monitor a little bit using some of the values posted online, but it still doesn't compare to the HP.
Moving on, the first thing I tried was 144 Hz gaming. I loaded up Borderlands 2 just to see how it is and I can definitely say it felt smoother. There is no screen tearing at all on the ASUS, unlike how it is on the HP if i don't turn on Vsync. Although the game felt smoother at 144 Hz and there was less blurring, I found that having to play on a lower res (1920x1080 vs 2560x1600) and poorer color reproduction made the overall gaming experience WORSE. Granted this isn't a competitive, online FPS game so I might have benefited more from having a faster refresh rate, but I would have probably stuck with playing this game on the 30" IPS monitor rather than a 24" TN.
At this point I felt like I may have wasted $300 bucks on a monitor that is full of compromises. The next thing I tried of course was using the Lightboost hack. This was the main reason why I bought the monitor in the first place since there are plenty of other 120 Hz monitors that I could have gotten that I'm sure had better color reproduction.
So I downloaded the hacked INF file and followed Mark's instructions. After turning on Lightboost, I noticed the monitor became a little bit brighter so I loaded up PixPerAn just to verify everything is working. The first thing I noticed was that I can actually read "I need more socks" at full speed! This was cool since I've never been able to read it going so fast before on any LCD monitor.
I then proceeded to load up Borderlands 2 again not having much expectations. The first thing that happened was I noticed the FPS drop down to around 1-2 fps, but then I remembeyellow to hold down "Ctrl-T" for a few seconds to turn off the 3D effect which fixed the FPS problem. So I loaded up a game and the first thing that came to my mind was...
SWEET MOTHER OF GOD!
Am I seeing this correctly? The last time I gamed on a CRT monitor was back in 2006 before I got my first LCD and this ASUS monitor is EXACTLY like how I remembeyellow gaming on a CRT monitor. I was absolutely shocked and amazed at how clear everything was when moving around. After seeing Lightboost in action, I would have gladly paid twice the amount for something that can reproduce the feeling I got when playing on a CRT. Now I really can't see myself going back to my 30" 2560x1600 IPS monitor when gaming. Everything looks so much clearer on the ASUS with Lightboost turned on.
If you do any kind of gaming, you should definitely get this monitor. For everything else however, an IPS monitor would probably be better.
Thankfully I am lucky enough to have both
lowfat wrote:
LINK: Post by Moderator 'lowfat' from HardwareCanucks Forums
I’m a definite convert now. Downgrading in resolution [from 1440p] hasn’t been a problem. In areas where I can maintain 120Hz, Lightboost makes a huge difference. It truly is like gaming on a CRT again. I really can’t wait till we start seeing IPS panels that take advantage of frame matched backlight strobing.
l88tbastard wrote:
LINK: Post by l88tbastard on HardForum
“Im running one of those Asus 24? glossy screens that vega sells combined with a titan gtx and itis amazing. After dialing in the colors I like it better than my sony fw900 and my catleap 2b! [IPS 120Hz Overclock] This is exactly what i have been waiting years for!”
High Speed 1000fps Video of LightBoost strobe backlight bypassing LCD pixel transition limits. The backlight is turned off while waiting for pixel transitions (unseen by human eyes), and the backlight is strobed only on fully-refreshed LCD frames (seen by human eyes). The strobes can be shorter than pixel transitions, breaking the pixel transition speed barrier! In addition, it eliminates the sample-and-hold effect.
Also, if LightBoost image quality is poor, then see the LightBoost FAQ to find out how to fix your LightBoost color. Some of us were able to completely fix our gamma bleach problem.
For example, if you have an ASUS VG278H, its LightBoost color is better than ASUS VG248QE. For that model, LigthBoost looks as good as non-LightBoost if you use OSD Contrast=85% (clips white on VG248QE but not VG278H) plus nVidia Control Panel Gamma=0.8 (to undo the horrible LightBoost gamma bleach). Viola -- great LightBoost color in games. The VG248QE is much more challenging to calibrate, because its LightBoost color is so pink/blue color, calibrated for 3D Glasses, but terrible when you don't have 3D glasses. Also, driver 320.18 worsened LightBoost color.
But there is no doubt: LightBoost can improve gaming scores due to lack of motion blur. For people who have gameplay styles in fast-action video games, such people can gain a massive competitive advantage (see improved Battlefield 3 stats) during fast-motion activities, because it is possible to react faster. Without motion blur, enemies are easier to identify while you’re still in fast motion. Even out of the corner of your eyes, even before you stop moving. Without motion blur, fast panning motion look as perfectly sharp as being stationary. That's why many people's Battlefield 3 scores improve with LightBoost (when you do the low-lag ToastyX method).
Also LightBoost is mostly useless at 60fps@120Hz. You really need closer to ~90fps-120fps to get most LightBoost benefits since it works best at framerates matching refresh rate, for the full CRT effect (LightBoost is a strobe backlight that flickers like a 120Hz CRT -- that's how it eliminates motion blur, more info in the LightBoost FAQ).
Tried it for like 5 minutes but then I reverted back to it's original state.
The LightBoost FAQ can be quite helpful, under these question headings:
Q: My colors are washed out!
Q: How do I calibrate my picture?
Q: My color is too purple!
Q: My monitor adjustments are locked! How do I adjust color?
Q: LightBoost doesn’t eliminate motion blur for me. Why?
It contains answers on how to reduce many common LightBoost problems.
Stige wrote:
lightboost messes up already poor TN colors even further as well as introduces flicker and fucks up brightness.
It's variable between monitors. The VG278H LightBoost colors actually look better than VG248QE non-LightBoost colors.
The LightBoost FAQ has some instructions on tweaking for better LightBoost color, to reduce LightBoost compromises.
ToastyX is releasing "Strobelight" in July 2013, a utility that allows hotkey enable/disable of LightBoost -- no hacks needed!
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