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Frant
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 Posted: Thu, 20th Mar 2014 10:59 Post subject: System difficult to start up!!! |
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System:
ASUS Sabertooth P67.3
i2500K
MSI 7950 O/C
2*4GB G.Skill Ares LP (1600MHz)
X-Fi Platinum
Internal drives = SSD Vertex 4, SSD Vertex 2, Samsung DVD-burner.
External drives = USB3 1TB, USB2 320GB
Corsair TX650W PSU
This suddenly started happening a few days ago.
What happens:
I turn the power on, fans etc. turn on, then black screen.
I turn on, wait, then turn on again, then it reboots or shuts down even before POST
I turn on, I follow the lights on the motherboard (there's red LEDs at RAM, PCIe, CPU and Drives to show where something might be bad) and sometimes it stops immediately at the RAM, sometimes it stops at the PCIe, sometimes at the CPU.
Sometimes I manage to get into BIOS only to see it either reboot or freeze instantly.
Sometimes I manage to get to the Windows 7 loading screen only to see it freeze or reboot.
After X amount of trying to get the thing to fire up it suddenly everything works (like now) and continues to work if I reboot etc., ie. the PC is running just fine and stable. It's when it's been shut down over night that I have to go through all this to get it to start up.
I've tested the RAM by booting from DVD and running memtest for a long time, I've tested the CPU by running Intel Burn Test at High Setting for 133 runs, I've tested the GPU by running benchmarks etc.
That leaves the motherboard or PSU.
Any ideas?
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Mar 2014 11:28 Post subject: |
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PSU, capacitors may suck and they don't hold a charge. I had similar problem that my computer would not start after it had been shut down for a night and i had to pull the power cord out and put it back in everytime i wanted it to start. So i would suggest to do same test, next time you are going to start it up pull the cord for a few seconds and if it starts up fine then it is PSU problem.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Mar 2014 11:42 Post subject: |
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| MisterBear wrote: | | PSU, capacitors may suck and they don't hold a charge. I had similar problem that my computer would not start after it had been shut down for a night and i had to pull the power cord out and put it back in everytime i wanted it to start. So i would suggest to do same test, next time you are going to start it up pull the cord for a few seconds and if it starts up fine then it is PSU problem. |
This guy... 
...knows his shit, do what he says. 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Mar 2014 12:29 Post subject: |
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My brother had a similar problem with his asus p67(cant remember the exact model right now) mobo. Updating BIOS solved the problem for him
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Mar 2014 12:57 Post subject: |
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Try PSU first. Then mobo.
i5 6600k @ 4.3 GHz | MSI z170 Gaming M7 | 32GB Kingston HyperX Fury | 850 Evo 500GB | EVGA 1070 SC | Seasonic X-660 | CM Storm Stryker
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Mar 2014 13:06 Post subject: |
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Power Supply... I think...
Burnt 3 PSU on my Xeon computer and they where 850 Watts, Thermal Take...
Put in Antec 1Kilo Watt and no problem whats so ever...
My symptoms were identical as you've described....
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Mar 2014 15:43 Post subject: |
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Had similar symptoms on one of my old systems - it was the PSU.
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Frant
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Mar 2014 01:09 Post subject: |
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I run my computer using a 12v car battery.
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Invasor
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Mar 2014 02:42 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | I run my computer using a 12v car battery. |
Really? How? Also how big is the battery and how long does a charge last?
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Mar 2014 05:15 Post subject: |
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i can say it could run ehm a 486 back in the day of DO SOME CRAZY SHIT for 6h ....  don't ask why it was done
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Mar 2014 17:15 Post subject: |
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Wasn't the PSU. I got a new one, a Corsair RM750 (pretty expensive). The only difference is that I can get the computer up and running in 4-5 minutes instead of 10-15 which leads me to the conclusion that it's the motherboards power-components that have become poor and need warmup/current before working properly leading me to the conclusion that the board is on it's way to motherboard heaven.
Ordered the MSI Z77A-GD65 which is the last chipset-gen supporting 1155 afaik as well as being a pretty good board from what I've googled up.
I'll have to throw my X-Fi Platinum away and use the built-in sound for the moment but that's alright, I have my Line6 POD HD300 working as a soundcard as where I can simply connect the computer speakers to the phones output on the HD300.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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Frant
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Apr 2014 04:01 Post subject: |
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Damn 
Guess that's the (only ) upside of using old hardware, in the same scenario I have a CPU and a PSU lying around which would enable me to find where the issue was without having to spend money on new components 
Any chance of sending back the new components? Hopefully you have every plastic, screw, box, etc etc and bought them less than 15 days ago so that will get your money back.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Apr 2014 07:29 Post subject: |
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This may sound stupid but I had this exact same problem for the past month. Couldn't figure it out, then the few times I could stay in Windows, I would just get random blue screens. Then it would take 20 minutes for my system to start up, if I restarted it froze....
Ended up being a dying hard drive....of all fucking things.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2014 12:42 Post subject: |
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I'll stick with the new hardware and sell off the Corsair TX650 (Seasonic) and Sabertooth P67.. Or keep as backup or for a second build, or for trade.
The smegging thing is that until the CPU has arrived I'm stuck with a PC that at any moment just turns itself off, tries to start, freeze at "55" (early memory initialization), reboot, get stuck at "55" again and again.. sometimes it goes further but gets stuck. Then one out attempt out of twenty I manage to get into windows and try to do as much as possible before the PC simply powers off and reboots.
This is the first time I've ever had a CPU where the main CPU is working but has some serious failures in sub-systems (memory controller). It was the last thing I would ever suspect until I noticed it hung while initializing RAM even though, if I was lucky, could run Memtest86+ for 3 hours without a single error as well as running 133 runs of Intelburntest with High setting without a single error. Then during normal usage the power just disappeared and it stuck while rebooting.
So first I thought it was the PSU... New PSU.. Same thing... Okay, then it MUST be the motherboard.. New motherboard... Same thing.. but it's been progressively worse since the day it started, ie. the CPU is getting a little worse every other day and more difficult to get past POST and finally Windows. At any time the power will just *poof* and it will get stuck in a post-loop where it stops at 55 eight out of ten times, then it usually gets stuck further on in the post process. Sometimes I have to do a Startup Repair (which tend to hang while loading). And finally, after 30 minutes I get a pseudo-stable Windows boot (which may at any time just lose power).
I'm glad they're still selling 1155-CPU's. The i5 3570K is a lot cheaper than the 2500K while being a bit better at overclocking.
Frankly, this one will go into my "unusual issues" and I'll definitely remember the symptoms although they're very diffuse as far as pointing out a specific part, esp. a sub-system in a CPU.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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