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 Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 20:52 Post subject: Your thoughts about the Zimmerman - Trayvon trial. |
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Will he be acquitted, should he? What's your thoughts on the whole case?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 20:53 Post subject: |
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Who? 
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 21:14 Post subject: |
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deelix
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 21:28 Post subject: |
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You can't slaughter women without laughter.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 21:39 Post subject: |
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I for one think he is innocent, he killed him in self defense.
However I believe he should be sentenced to manslaughter, otherwise it will open up a precedent for murder.
As innocent as Zimmerman might be, he still should be made an example of.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 22:11 Post subject: |
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I don't think the case deserves this much coverage. It only serves as a smoke screen.
There are a shit ton of shootings for different and similar reasons that go unheard of.
Do I give a fuck? hell no.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 22:14 Post subject: |
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| Pikon wrote: | I for one think he is innocent, he killed him in self defense.
However I believe he should be sentenced to manslaughter, otherwise it will open up a precedent for murder.
As innocent as Zimmerman might be, he still should be made an example of. |
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 22:23 Post subject: |
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guilty of manslaughter, though i dont know if it has anything to do with racism and doesnt really matter ( not into the whole hatecrime BS )
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2013 22:34 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | guilty of manslaughter, though i dont know if it has anything to do with racism and doesnt really matter ( not into the whole hatecrime BS ) |
How so?
He shot him in self defense, Trayvon inclusively threten him with death.
In a real legal sense Zimmerman is innocent, there are no doubts about this. The problem is that it is better for him to be sentenced to a manslaughter charge because otherwise there might be either revenge killings or others looking for self defense as a means to legally murder someone.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 00:10 Post subject: |
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Thats a ridiculous reason. Why have the law if you're not going to follow it? If you believe the law can lead to all sorts of bad shit then change the law afterwards.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 04:12 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | In closely watched U.S. trial, neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman found not guilty in death of Florida teen. |
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 04:19 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | Quote: | | In closely watched U.S. trial, neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman found not guilty in death of Florida teen. |
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Yeah, just saw it also, this is one of those cases were personal justice has unfortunately spoke louder than the community and with a complete disregard for the consequences of letting this slide.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 09:07 Post subject: |
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I'll be honest. I've never heard about this case.. I think.. So I have no idea wtf is going on.
Just thought I'd let you know, since you know.. everyone cares what I think.
edit:
I just checked wikipedia on it. Now I remember. I think I heard about that stuff long time ago.
I hate you.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 09:50 Post subject: |
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| Kristian wrote: | I'll be honest. I've never heard about this case.. I think.. So I have no idea wtf is going on.
Just thought I'd let you know, since you know.. everyone cares what I think.
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I just checked wikipedia on it. Now I remember. I think I heard about that stuff long time ago. |
Intredasting.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 10:27 Post subject: |
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| Pikon wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | Quote: | | In closely watched U.S. trial, neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman found not guilty in death of Florida teen. |
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Yeah, just saw it also, this is one of those cases were personal justice has unfortunately spoke louder than the community and with a complete disregard for the consequences of letting this slide. |
Everyone knows that if they live in a state where people can open/conceal carry then if they physically attack someone they have the chance of being shot in self defense.
If you want to fix the firearms laws, fix the firearms laws. Don't punish some guy for following the law and self-defending.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 12:14 Post subject: |
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Just another retard with a gun.
No gun=probably wouldn't have the balls to go after the other guy.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 13:16 Post subject: |
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At times like this I can't help but feel there must be a god after all.
I'd be so sad if this guy would have had to spent any jail time for defending himself against this criminal thug
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 15:18 Post subject: |
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so stalking and harrasing a guy just cause he is black andwears a hoodie is ok ( didnt commit any crime ) and then when zimmerman gets punched in the face its ok to kill the kid for "self defense". basicly every fistfight you can pull a gun and kill the guy for "self defense". again the 0.000001% logic that it might escale so just kill the guy. so if the kid pulled a gun and killed zimmerman just cause he was harrasing him and had a gun the kid would have gotten away with it also?
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 15:37 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | so stalking and harrasing a guy just cause he is black andwears a hoodie is ok ( didnt commit any crime ) and then when zimmerman gets punched in the face its ok to kill the kid for "self defense". basicly every fistfight you can pull a gun and kill the guy for "self defense". again the 0.000001% logic that it might escale so just kill the guy. so if the kid pulled a gun and killed zimmerman just cause he was harrasing him and had a gun the kid would have gotten away with it also? |
Regardless of the gun law in practice, assault (which is what Trayvon did) is always a justification for self defense.
For instance, you assault someone in the street, the other guy happens to spot a sharp stick in the ground and uses it on your chest, killing you.
That's self defense, the gun is only a technicallity.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 16:12 Post subject: |
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He walks.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 16:28 Post subject: |
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Self defense 
This fucking retard had already called the police, and if there was the real possibility of the black guy vandalizing/burglarizing/assaulting whatever/anyone then how about, I don't know, make a lot of noise?
You're inside a car, blow the horn like a maniac and get some people down in the street while the cops come? If you get the impression that they will not respond, more's the reason to do it since all the noise and people would more than likely scare the guy out.
Nah, just go and confront him since you're armed and then claim self-defense, 'MERICA 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 16:30 Post subject: |
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| Pikon wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | so stalking and harrasing a guy just cause he is black andwears a hoodie is ok ( didnt commit any crime ) and then when zimmerman gets punched in the face its ok to kill the kid for "self defense". basicly every fistfight you can pull a gun and kill the guy for "self defense". again the 0.000001% logic that it might escale so just kill the guy. so if the kid pulled a gun and killed zimmerman just cause he was harrasing him and had a gun the kid would have gotten away with it also? |
Regardless of the gun law in practice, assault (which is what Trayvon did) is always a justification for self defense.
For instance, you assault someone in the street, the other guy happens to spot a sharp stick in the ground and uses it on your chest, killing you.
That's self defense, the gun is only a technicallity. |
So if a guy on the street assaulted me and I happen to have a knife in my pocket, I can just stick it in his neck?
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 16:48 Post subject: |
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dont try to find logic in it, just how americuh thinks and rules.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 16:52 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Pikon wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | so stalking and harrasing a guy just cause he is black andwears a hoodie is ok ( didnt commit any crime ) and then when zimmerman gets punched in the face its ok to kill the kid for "self defense". basicly every fistfight you can pull a gun and kill the guy for "self defense". again the 0.000001% logic that it might escale so just kill the guy. so if the kid pulled a gun and killed zimmerman just cause he was harrasing him and had a gun the kid would have gotten away with it also? |
Regardless of the gun law in practice, assault (which is what Trayvon did) is always a justification for self defense.
For instance, you assault someone in the street, the other guy happens to spot a sharp stick in the ground and uses it on your chest, killing you.
That's self defense, the gun is only a technicallity. |
So if a guy on the street assaulted me and I happen to have a knife in my pocket, I can just stick it in his neck? |
Legally, that's self defense.
The prosecution could try to manufacture intent to kill because you were carrying the knife, but other than that, if you happen to strangle your assailant or kill him with a stick or any other object that you find during the fight. That's legally self defense.
This Zimmerman case was charged with the whole race card, Zimmerman being a white latino and trayvon being a black underage teen.
Other than that, legally it was self defense. The problem here is that acquiting Zimmerman would have far more negative consequences than sending an innocent man to prison.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 16:52 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Pikon wrote: | | Paintface wrote: | | so stalking and harrasing a guy just cause he is black andwears a hoodie is ok ( didnt commit any crime ) and then when zimmerman gets punched in the face its ok to kill the kid for "self defense". basicly every fistfight you can pull a gun and kill the guy for "self defense". again the 0.000001% logic that it might escale so just kill the guy. so if the kid pulled a gun and killed zimmerman just cause he was harrasing him and had a gun the kid would have gotten away with it also? |
Regardless of the gun law in practice, assault (which is what Trayvon did) is always a justification for self defense.
For instance, you assault someone in the street, the other guy happens to spot a sharp stick in the ground and uses it on your chest, killing you.
That's self defense, the gun is only a technicallity. |
So if a guy on the street assaulted me and I happen to have a knife in my pocket, I can just stick it in his neck? |
Yes! |
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 17:43 Post subject: |
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Should've been guilty of manslaughter. Zimmerman escalated the situation by doing something the police specifically told him not to do, and then someone ended up dead because of his actions.
Sense Amid Madness, Wit Amidst Folly
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2013 17:50 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | Should've been guilty of manslaughter. Zimmerman escalated the situation by doing something the police specifically told him not to do, and then someone ended up dead because of his actions. |
As I understand it, the police said that "you do not NEED to follow him" that's not an order, that's an advice. More likely to protect Zimmerman than the assailant himself.
Besides, I think that following someone unknown to a neighborhood where houses have been vandalized in the recent past is the right thing to do.
There was only one person who made the decision to start the confrontation, and that was Trayvon.
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