Shambles (free zombie fps from Notch)
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 12:19    Post subject: Shambles (free zombie fps from Notch)
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 12:41    Post subject:
looks really crappy and boring to me form the gameplay videos :/


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 12:44    Post subject:
Um, the game is actually pretty fucking fun and impressive considering it was built in only 7 days.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 12:45    Post subject:
its generic as hell but its still playable.. gee cant anything other than high end polycount with hdr be fun no more Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 12:45    Post subject:
looks like a piece of shit


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 12:49    Post subject:
RainyDay wrote:
looks like a piece of shit


It was built from scratch in 7 days.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 13:56    Post subject:
Sadly, the concept is generic and unoriginal. And who could vote for the projects? Was it closed number of people? If not then it's not a surprise that Notch won.


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 14:04    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
And he won the contest with this game?

It shows one more time that notch had one lucky shot with Minecraft and that is all.

He just CAN'T code. I'm not trolling here, he really is still a pretty average programmer for how famous and rich he has become.


Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I love minecraft and whilst lucky he took a concept that no one had made work and won. He deserves to be as rich as he is but I'd like to see more being put back into the gaming community from him and his team. So far we've seen nothing, not a single thing, not even a decent update to minecraft.

Mchart wrote:
RainyDay wrote:
looks like a piece of shit


It was built from scratch in 7 days.


There are far more talented people out there who could create something far better in that amount of time. Saying it looks like shit is silly, but I certain it could have been beaten.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 14:29    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
And he won the contest with this game?

It shows one more time that notch had one lucky shot with Minecraft and that is all.

He just CAN'T code. I'm not trolling here, he really is still a pretty average programmer for how famous and rich he has become.


And you know that how?
Minecraft source code is very good and also quite complicated. You can decompile it yourself and have a look at it. Notch was (some time before releaseing minecraft) moderator for code performance tuning subforum on jgo, not something an 'average' coder just gets to be I would think.

He also wrote his own raycasters and is very good at math. Doing shit like that on the fly is not an easy task for most people.

I'm not a fanboy but I don't agree that he's "just average".

Taking an idea and improving on it (Minecraft) is okay in my book and he deserves ervery penny of it.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 15:15    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 16:52    Post subject:
More interested in 7 days 2 die


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 16:56    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
paxsali wrote:
And he won the contest with this game?

It shows one more time that notch had one lucky shot with Minecraft and that is all.

He just CAN'T code. I'm not trolling here, he really is still a pretty average programmer for how famous and rich he has become.


Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I love minecraft and whilst lucky he took a concept that no one had made work and won. He deserves to be as rich as he is but I'd like to see more being put back into the gaming community from him and his team. So far we've seen nothing, not a single thing, not even a decent update to minecraft.

Mchart wrote:
RainyDay wrote:
looks like a piece of shit


It was built from scratch in 7 days.


There are far more talented people out there who could create something far better in that amount of time. Saying it looks like shit is silly, but I certain it could have been beaten.


You are welcome to goto the 7dfps website and view all the submissions.

Most I've played I wouldn't consider any better then Shambles. There were a couple that looked nice, but had a very short amount of gameplay time or had shit gameplay to begin with. The evacuation game is cool, but I wouldn't consider it any better then Shambles.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 17:39    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:
but had a very short amount of gameplay time or had shit gameplay to begin with.


As opposed to a barren, ugly, generic, boring zombie shooter? This game is terrible, man, it really is.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 17:40    Post subject:
Are you all trolling or something Very Happy

I refuse to think all the comments are serious here lol.

Its not meant to be a fully fledged game of awe..
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 17:42    Post subject:
moosenoodles wrote:
Its not meant to be a fully fledged game of awe..


Well it's certainly impressed you. Sorry, but in MY opinion the game is crap, it's not fun, it's not pretty, it's not worth playing unless you're incredibly bored.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:01    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
moosenoodles wrote:
Its not meant to be a fully fledged game of awe..


Well it's certainly impressed you. Sorry, but in MY opinion the game is crap, it's not fun, it's not pretty, it's not worth playing unless you're incredibly bored.


Then I suggest you visit the 7dfps website and look at the other games.

The fact is that the game was designed for a 7 day contest from scratch.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:08    Post subject:
This is my point I make, its not an awe game of wow this is what we expect to see these days!!! etc

its about "making" a game from nada in that time and getting it to do what it was supposed to do... that is just old skool shooter.. Im wondering what I am missing here with everyone throwing it to the dogs like EA just brought out another couch derp cover game or something. :/
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:11    Post subject:
Because development time doesn't automatically increase fun factor or enjoyment. I'm sorry, does the fact that it was developed in a week automatically override subjective tastes and mean the game is fun afterall? I don't find it fun Neutral
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:12    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Because development time doesn't automatically increase fun factor or enjoyment. I'm sorry, does the fact that it was developed in a week automatically override subjective tastes and mean the game is fun afterall? I don't find it fun Neutral


I sort of measure it more along the lines of Very Happy

well I could probably not of done that in 7 mnths Very Happy

thats how i weigh it up here sabin Smile

the fun part for me was the shit must try to not die and see how many zombies I can kill thats what its about that game... just like coming from 7 days to die and hoping to make a secure place before night time on first try of the game, its a "phewww managed to go this long" type of thing.. To me it could be a game with vector lines and no textures,, id still get the same "yay i did it this long" type of thing.

I think people are reading too much into its, its just it was made fast, it was not meant to be an A list game and it did what it was meant to in its feature of zombie dead counting.

I dunno maybe I am easily pleased Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:16    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Because development time doesn't automatically increase fun factor or enjoyment. I'm sorry, does the fact that it was developed in a week automatically override subjective tastes and mean the game is fun afterall? I don't find it fun Neutral

Agreed, it's pretty shit gameplay wise.


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:17    Post subject:
moosenoodles wrote:
I think people are reading too much into its, its just it was made fast, it was not meant to be an A list game and it did what it was meant to in its feature of zombie dead counting.


We're not reading anything into except "is this fun or isn't it?" - for me, no, I don't find the game enjoyable.

That's it. I don't care how long it took to make or how quickly, I don't care about the implication that games need HDR to be "fun" these days. This isn't fun. It isn't fun. At all. There was no fun to be had. At all. So following on from the "there was no fun to be had here" belief, then I tackle the visuals - since the was no fun to be had, what naturally comes next for videogames is whether or not they look good; this doesn't. That's it Smile You and mchart are "This was really fun!" (averaged from your "this was fun" and his "this was pretty fucking fun!") and I said it wasn't for me. It wasn't enjoyable. You two are the ones trying to convince me that my tastes are wrong and that yes, indeed, the game is fun because it was made in only 7 days.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:21    Post subject:
no no no no..

I understand "you" did not like it and others Very Happy

but when written like its a statement of fact for all then its why its being argued here Smile

for example people tend to go

"the game is fucking terrible"
"the game is shit"
"what a pile of crap this game is"

really Very Happy

based against most other games for sure its nothing at all amazing is it Very Happy but one mans shit is another mans treasure Razz
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:30    Post subject:
moosenoodles wrote:
but one mans shit is another mans treasure Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:31    Post subject:
Notch, the master of pixelated shit.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:34    Post subject:
I couldn't stop playing it for 30 minutes. Extremely addictive and that is enough for me to say that they achieved the main goal - it's fun to play it whatever it looks like. I'm totally with moose on this one.


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 18:44    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:
You are welcome to goto the 7dfps website and view all the submissions.

Most I've played I wouldn't consider any better then Shambles. There were a couple that looked nice, but had a very short amount of gameplay time or had shit gameplay to begin with. The evacuation game is cool, but I wouldn't consider it any better then Shambles.


I'll check the rest out and see how they play. These competitions are always interesting, more so when fully fledged games come out of them at the end. I can't see this being one of those games but you never know. Hopefully we'll actually see something new from Mojang soon, given they just scrapped their new game I'm slightly worried we may never see anything after Scrolls!
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 19:35    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Because development time doesn't automatically increase fun factor or enjoyment. I'm sorry, does the fact that it was developed in a week automatically override subjective tastes and mean the game is fun afterall? I don't find it fun Neutral


You are missing the point that the COMPETITION from the other games in the 7dfps event ARE WORSE or EQUAL at best when it comes to fun value.

Again, visit the 7dfps website and check out some of the other games. You'll find that Shambles is easily one of the better ones.

It wasn't designed to be a full fledged game. It wasn't designed to be 'his next product'. It was a game made in 7 days for the 7 day FPS competition. The other games submitted in question range from being far worse then shambles, or just as fun.

You're being intellectually inept if you can't recognize what i'm pointing out here.

Yes, the game is 'really fun' for being made in 7 fucking days. If it took him 1 year to make Shambles you'd see me bashing it. I try to remain objective however and realize that for something made in 7 days it is quite good.
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 19:52    Post subject:
Sad to see that so many people here who play games have such limited grasp of what goes into making a game.


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