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dsergei
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 Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 09:08 Post subject: Upgrade. |
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I am building a new PC, Wel,l replacing most of the important parts.
I was thinking about something like:
ASUS GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5, 3GB, GDDR5, OC, Ret
INTEL Core i7 4770K, LGA 1150, BOX [bx80646i74770k s r147]
ASUS Z87-PRO LGA 1150, ATX, Ret
CORSAIR Vengeance CMZ16GX3M2A1600C9G DDR3- 2x 8Гб, 1600, DIMM,
Any thoughts? Anything to improve? I'm not going to overclock, at least not initially.
I would also like a recommendation about an SSD for my system partition. Something reliable and not larger than 120 gb.
Thanks.
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Sin317
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 12:11 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: | | ASUS GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5, 3GB, GDDR5, OC, Ret |
Wait at least a few days until we know prices of the AMD 290X. Even if you're stuck up on Nvidia, it might trigger a price drop for the 780.
And in a couple of weeks we'll probably also know more about the 780 Ti, which will most likely be the "missing" GK110 between the 780 and Titan (Titan has 14 SMX enabled, 780 has 12 - Ti will most likely be the 13-SMX part) and potentially replace the 780 at its current price point.
| Quote: | | I would also like a recommendation about an SSD for my system partition. Something reliable and not larger than 120 gb. |
Samsung EVO, if that's available (stock on it is shit worldwide).
Otherwise, Sandisk Extreme II. Those are the best two right now and have good price/GB ratios. |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 12:26 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | Werelds wrote: | | Even if you're stuck up on Nvidia |
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Why the facepalm?
We don't know what the 290X is going to cost yet. And there's plenty of idiots who'll disregard it even if it comes in at 450 ( ) just because it's not Nvidia (and as it stands, it looks to sit around Titan levels for the most part). I don't know if dsergei is, hence the remark. |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 13:31 Post subject: |
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because you make it sound like buying nvidia is some sinister act. also i don't think he should wait. waiting to buy upgrade almost never works out very well. you just keep waiting and waiting for next new thing, for next price drop, for next announcement, and you just end up annoyed and pissed for wasting all that time instead of gaming or whatever on your new rig.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 13:44 Post subject: |
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Meh the most he's gonna save will probably be 100 euro if he will wait another 6 month or so and yeah stuck up sounds like a fanboi thing
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 14:07 Post subject: |
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The new GPUs are a couple of days away and the 780 Ti is a couple of weeks after that. I agree that waiting indefinitely is stupid, but when a potential price and performance shift is right around the corner it's even more stupid not to wait, in my opinion.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 14:14 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | because you make it sound like buying nvidia is some sinister act. also i don't think he should wait. waiting to buy upgrade almost never works out very well. you just keep waiting and waiting for next new thing, for next price drop, for next announcement, and you just end up annoyed and pissed for wasting all that time instead of gaming or whatever on your new rig. |
No, buying Nvidia is not a sinister act. Blindly buying Nvidia while completely disregarding AMD just because it's AMD is though and there's plenty people who do that. Often the same people who think Titan is great value for money.
And what, to wait 2 days (as that is when the 290X is likely to go on sale) isn't going to work out? Yeah, that is totally going to hurt. It took less than 24 hours for the announcement of the R200 series to cause shops to massively drop their 79x0 prices.
I wasn't suggesting waiting 6 fucking months. I was suggesting waiting TWO DAYS. My exact words were A FEW DAYS. Where the fuck am I suggesting anything more than that? Reading comprehension is getting worse every day on here it seems, what the hell. I can't say anything right without *someone* feeling butthurt about it. |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 14:20 Post subject: |
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he is from Russia, price drops there aren't instant like they are in the US. so that 2 day wait might turn into 2 weeks or even 2 months for price drop to reach his local stores.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 14:28 Post subject: |
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Actually, 79x0 dropped in the US long before the announcement. The announcement is what triggered it in EU; in the US the rumours are often already enough, for Europe (which logically would include Russia) it's the announcements that do it.
So maybe it won't be as quick in Russia, I don't know. I don't know if there's any sites in Russia where you can see price history? Wouldn't be hard to track it back to the announcements and see what the 7970 did around that period 
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 14:30 Post subject: |
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SSD, Samsung 840Pro / Plextor M pro / Plextor M5s / Samsung 840 / Crucial M4
^ that order
| rgb#000 wrote: | looking good, except RAM, that 1600 looks kinda out of place next to 4770K and GTX780. something like 1866mhz or 2133mhz with good timing should be more appropriate for your new build
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You do realise, that there will be almost no difference unless he uses specific applications that utilize those Mhz. Even with that, the different is close to none. Sometimes you can find 1866 almost at the price of 1600 kits, which imo would be the way to go.
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Saner
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 14:30 Post subject: |
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Fuck that, I cant believe someone said 'its only 100euros'
I wish I had 100euros to upgrade my graphics card let alone more  I was looking in the bargin bucket on amazon the other day
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 14:33 Post subject: |
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Either way, the price changes shouldn't take much longer than the time it takes for the new GPUs to get on sale in the region. Which shouldn't be that big of a wait.
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dsergei
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 14:52 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: | | When Titan came out the delay was more like a month iirc. |
That was in most places around the world. Stock was very, very limited. The 780 didn't have that issue though.
AMD deliberately has such a delay between the announcement and actual launch in order to build up some stock. Remains to be seen if they really do have enough stock, but I wouldn't expect a delay similar to Titan (or the 480 and 580 for that matter, they had the same issue) 
| Quote: | | I think I'll wait and check out the new chips. I might be going to the US in like 2-3 weeks - if I do go, I'll just buy everything there |
That sounds like a plan, their prices are much better than ours (as in, European)
What are prices like in Russia anyway for something like a 780, 770 or 7970/R280X right now?
As for the memory: DDR3-1600 is the recommendation as that fits in perfectly with the clock ratios by default, but you can go much higher than that as Sabin says. You'll only need to enable the XMP profile for the memory in the BIOS; it'll be under the overclocking section, but don't worry about that, you're not actually overclocking much, it's just the IMC that has to run marginally faster |
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dsergei
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 15:24 Post subject: |
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@Werelds
Titan is around 767 EUR
780 is 488 EUR
R280x is 348 EUR
770 is 306 EUR
These are all for ASUS models - some with their custom cooling bullshit - and in a good middle of the price range reliable online shop. You can get them 10-15% cheaper if you look around.
@sabin1981 Yeah you are right - it does support up to 3000 with oc according to the asus website ;o
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 15:52 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: | | About the memory clock frequencies - I think I'll get another MB that supports 1866 - I just chose 1600 because that's the maximum for Z87-PRO. |
from http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z87PRO/#specifications
4 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 3000(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666(O.C.)/2600(O.C.)/2500(O.C.)/2400(O.C.)/2200(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/2000(O.C.)/1866(O.C.)/1800(O.C.)/1600/1333 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 16:31 Post subject: |
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the 780 from ASUS is 516€ here. So that's marginally different from his 488€.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 17:02 Post subject: |
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Those prices are all slightly below our averages. That 280X sucks though, that's 100 EUR too expensive (but ASUS sits that high above the rest here too, check Sapphire instead)
Seems Russia tags along just fine with price changes, so I'd say it's definitely worth waiting at least a few days to see how the 290X performs, how much it'll cost and how prices will change after that
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dsergei
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 17:35 Post subject: |
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R9 280X Sapphire Dual-X OC PCI-E 3072Mb (11221-00-20G)
232EUR
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 18:59 Post subject: |
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Mortibus since pumpy responded before me and didn't ban u ill respect that decision. But seriously, some manners and sensitivity
I deleted all posts
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 19:03 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | rgb#000 wrote: | | because you make it sound like buying nvidia is some sinister act. also i don't think he should wait. waiting to buy upgrade almost never works out very well. you just keep waiting and waiting for next new thing, for next price drop, for next announcement, and you just end up annoyed and pissed for wasting all that time instead of gaming or whatever on your new rig. |
No, buying Nvidia is not a sinister act. Blindly buying Nvidia while completely disregarding AMD just because it's AMD is though and there's plenty people who do that. Often the same people who think Titan is great value for money.
And what, to wait 2 days (as that is when the 290X is likely to go on sale) isn't going to work out? Yeah, that is totally going to hurt. It took less than 24 hours for the announcement of the R200 series to cause shops to massively drop their 79x0 prices.
I wasn't suggesting waiting 6 fucking months. I was suggesting waiting TWO DAYS. My exact words were A FEW DAYS. Where the fuck am I suggesting anything more than that? Reading comprehension is getting worse every day on here it seems, what the hell. I can't say anything right without *someone* feeling butthurt about it. |
Why the fuck do you even try
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Oct 2013 19:20 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: | R9 280X Sapphire Dual-X OC PCI-E 3072Mb (11221-00-20G)
232EUR |
That Dual-X is actually pretty good. I have it on my 7950 and it stays virtually silent and cool enough @stock and alows for decent OCs.
The price seems good aswell. I dont know if it allows for voltage change, but I'd guess yes with Trixx.
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I'm with Werelds on this; wait a couple of weeks and see what happens to the market when the 290X is released and when everyone has more information on the 780ti. Why buy now when you could, potentially, get something much better for the same or lower price? Whether it's AMD or nV, it doesn't matter, with two new SKUs set to come out soon it means rashly buying a card now is just that... rash.
) but I am not against ATI/AMD.
