Impossibru situation!
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LittleBigProblem
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 19:08    Post subject: Impossibru situation!


Both cars are turning left.
Car 1 has "give way" sign, car 2 - "stop! give way."
Which car is passing first?

Case2: What if both signs are the same?
Case3: What if there are no signs.

Confused


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kazemaky




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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 19:12    Post subject:
they can both turn at the same time since they dont have to make the turn so squareish. One of them can just give way with hand signs or a headlight blink. this applies to all cases I think.


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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 19:24    Post subject:
kazemaky wrote:
they can both turn at the same time since they dont have to make the turn so squareish. One of them can just give way with hand signs or a headlight blink. this applies to all cases I think.



This.
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 19:36    Post subject:
As kazemaky said, both at same time. Just "cut" the corner.
If one of them has to wait, let car 2 (stop sign) wait. Stop means you only drive if it's clear. "Give Way" gives you a tiny bit more power.


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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 20:15    Post subject:
car 1 has right of way if car two has a stop sign as well as giveway.. Razz

you stop to a halt ( stop ) first and giveway,

giveway only sign you approach to almost a stop if no traffic seen and carry on if clear.

If that is not the case your post is not accurate in its description of sign info.

p.s you are car two and fucked up?
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 22:28    Post subject:
kazemaky wrote:
they can both turn at the same time since they dont have to make the turn so squareish. One of them can just give way with hand signs or a headlight blink. this applies to all cases I think.


This, unless they are lightcycles from Tron.


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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 22:59    Post subject:
I don't think there is much of a difference between the signs. STOP simply forces you to stop no matter what, once you have stopped you have to abide by the exact same "give way" rules as the other car. The one under "give way" still has to give way - he has no legal right of way. In this case they have equal rights and figuring out who goes first is something they figure out between themselves.

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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 23:54    Post subject:
kazemaky wrote:
they can both turn at the same time since they dont have to make the turn so squareish. One of them can just give way with hand signs or a headlight blink. this applies to all cases I think.


This. Happens all the time here as we got so many intersections like that in our little town.
Don't need for extra signals or anything, it's common sense that you can both turn at the same time.
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Dec 2013 23:58    Post subject:
As far as I know, whoever reaches the intersection and comes to a stop first has the right of way, whether it's crossing over the intersection or turning across traffic (ie, in this example; left) If you both reach at the same time, such as in the example, the driver on the LEFT has right of way (or right if you're in a left-hand-drive country)

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This is Canada but should still apply to US;

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.4.3.shtml

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At an intersection without signs or lights, you must yield the right-of-way to a vehicle approaching the intersection before you, and if you arrive at the same time, the vehicle approaching from the right has the right-of-way (Diagram 2-1Cool.

an uncontrolled intersection
Diagram 2-18
At an intersection with stop signs at all corners, you must yield the right-of-way to the first vehicle to come to a complete stop. If two vehicles stop at the same time, the vehicle on the left must yield to the vehicle on the right (Diagram 2-19).


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 00:02    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
As far as I know, whoever reaches the intersection and comes to a stop first has the right of way, whether it's crossing over the intersection or turning across traffic (ie, in this example; left) If you both reach at the same time, such as in the example, the driver on the LEFT has right of way (or right if you're in a left-hand-drive country)


This is the only right answer Smile

*Edit* Same in Belgium (and willing to bet in most countries)


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 10:32    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
As far as I know, whoever reaches the intersection and comes to a stop first has the right of way, whether it's crossing over the intersection or turning across traffic (ie, in this example; left) If you both reach at the same time, such as in the example, the driver on the LEFT has right of way (or right if you're in a left-hand-drive country)

~edit~

This is Canada but should still apply to US;

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section2.4.3.shtml

Quote:
At an intersection without signs or lights, you must yield the right-of-way to a vehicle approaching the intersection before you, and if you arrive at the same time, the vehicle approaching from the right has the right-of-way (Diagram 2-1Cool.

an uncontrolled intersection
Diagram 2-18
At an intersection with stop signs at all corners, you must yield the right-of-way to the first vehicle to come to a complete stop. If two vehicles stop at the same time, the vehicle on the left must yield to the vehicle on the right (Diagram 2-19).


Aren't there special rules for "STOP" signs? At least we have them in Germany. A stop sign means all wheels have to come to a stop, then you are allowed to drive on. While the give way sign just means, you have to give way, but don't have to stop the car.

But anyway:
If you have this case while doing your drivers licence, just give the other car a sign to drive first, even if you are there in the first place and/or both cars could drive at the same time. This won't give you any trouble.
After this theory shit you have to follow, people just drive at the same time.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 10:46    Post subject:
You gesture using hand signals to give right of way of no other signs and rules can be used to determine it. That's what I was taught at least.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 12:10    Post subject:
4-way crossing, main road west->east.

You meet a car turning right while you're turning left.

No issue, you can both drive at the same time since (unless you're a complete blind 90 year old bat) you will pass each other without being that close to the centerpoint of that crossing.

If opposite car is driving across the crossing past you he's got priority.

If you're both turning right (your right), you've got the priority since the lane is on your side (unless you live in some god forsaken backwards left-side drive country).

And so on.. Wink


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 12:12    Post subject:
BearishSun wrote:
You gesture using hand signals


The specific international standard, only one finger required.


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 12:15    Post subject:
Gesture hand signals? Isn't that for rural Russians riding their donkey loaded with hay?

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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 12:20    Post subject: Re: Impossibru situation!
LittleBigProblem wrote:


Both cars are turning left.
Car 1 has "give way" sign, car 2 - "stop! give way."
Which car is passing first?

Case2: What if both signs are the same?
Case3: What if there are no signs.

Confused


how is this a problem ? Car 1 goes first.

next problem ?
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 12:33    Post subject:
The cars don't have to cross paths, and in the real world it would seem obvious.


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 18:09    Post subject:
I dont see the issue, in the US cars are 'right side drive' also.
Both cars can go at the same time, even roads with red lights gives both the turn at the same time. since they both have plenty of room to take the corner at the same time.

No one drives like the picture, drive out, then take a 90 degree turn at the peak. youd have to stop in the road and do a 2 point turn to drive at a right angle Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 18:42    Post subject:
From what I recall, in theory, when you execute a turn on the crossroads you need to stay in your lane (or an assumed continuation of it), cutting corners would assume straying into the opposing or parallel lane, which you shouldn't do.
It's still not quite like pictured - it's more of an arc, but you would still cross paths when driving that way.

No one drives like that in reality, but as a theoretical problem on rules of the road it's valid.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Dec 2013 20:29    Post subject:
also it depends on the width and the exact build of the road if the cars can turn simultaneously. Obviously cant do it with no room.


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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 06:41    Post subject:
wth? the cars don't cross paths... Razz

car 2 will have car 1 pass on it's right side
car 1 will have car 2 pass on it's left side.. simultaneously.


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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 08:42    Post subject:
lol only a western european would actually give a fuck who goes first, if this was in russia or anywhere else in the world this wouldn't be a problem at all.
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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 09:50    Post subject:
Because of that "there's is no problem" people fail their drivers licence test Smile

Next one:


This is fun in RL, even if you know who has the right of way, how high are chances the other 2 know it aswell Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 10:21    Post subject:
flipp wrote:




1. Yellow
2. Green
3. Blue

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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 10:52    Post subject:
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Wouldn't the blue car pass first, then yellow, then green?

Yellow can't go first, because when he's turning the right side of the car would be in the blue car's way. He's turning left, so it's obvious he has to wait till the blue car passes.

SteamDRM, didn't you pass your driving test a while ago? Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 11:04    Post subject:
Neon wrote:

Wouldn't the blue car pass first, then yellow, then green?


No.


Quote:
Yellow can't go first, because when he's turning the right side of the car would be in the blue car's way.


It doesn't matter here. The driver who has no car on his right side is going first.
yellow - green - blue is correct.


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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 11:06    Post subject:
How is it correct? When I leave my fiancees house I'm at the exact same situation, I would be the green car and I would be turning left.
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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 11:08    Post subject:
SteamDRM wrote:
flipp wrote:




1. Yellow
2. Green
3. Blue

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Deja vu. Had tons of those when I took my DL. One thing is getting to an answer, but in traffic you have to know instantly.
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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 11:09    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
How is it correct? When I leave my fiancees house I'm at the exact same situation, I would be the green car and I would be turning left.


Give-way-to-the-right rule. Razz

Driver in blue can't ignore the green car, and the driver in it can't ignore the yellow car.
No matter if the yellow is turning right, left or keep forward.


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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2013 11:10    Post subject:
Unless I'm missing something there is no way yellow goes first. When you turn left you have to wait until a car that goes straight passes.
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