Whatever. Online games die, get over it. You can't blame the industry for shutting down servers that do not make a profit.
If they win a case, devs will fix this by changing the EULA.
So best case is that they get their money back for 1 game after a lawsuit.
Nobody is gonna do a second case for this anyway cause there is shit to gain.
While I can see the argument of purpose behind the stance. I cannot endorse it.
Buying the game, I dont think entitles anyone to unlimited forever access to thier servers. You bough the game, not server space or CPU time. You paid for whatever coding comes on that disk. Not the hardware that its plays on/connects to.
To me its the same as having a 1G flip phone and complaining that you bough the phone, and without 1G service its useless so AT&T or T-Mobile needs to equip towers with legacy 1G service.
Or you bought a TiVo box, and the back end services shuts down after 15 years, and demanding it stay up to support legacy SD DVR technology.
Like my sons car, it has support in the radio for a now long defunct satellite radio service. Should he petition it be put back up because he bought something that connects to it and a useless feature without it?
So with a game, you bought the disk/copy/whatever. Unless the EULA or box said something about guaranteed forever online play support, you didnt get that when you bought it. You are just upset because you assumed you did.
And this isnt a new thing. I got games from late 90's to early 2000's that uses that old gamespy MP thing, or defunct eternal server lists, or legacy protocols windows dont have anymore for multiplayer. So its a thing, since MP games started. Its nature of the beast. Old games...may loose some functionality.
Except they don't need to keep the servers up. Just make the tools available for people to host themselves, or at least don't fucking shut down people that do it themselves once you abandon the game.
Not to mention that they should be forced to guarantee at least a fixed period of support, cause as it stands now, the game can shut down the next month and screw you. Unless it's on steam you're fucked most likely.
I don't get why you defend this bullshit without even watching the video. Also the argument that this isn't a new thing is the dumbest defense ever. As if something bad is ok just cause it's always been like that.
That I agree with, dont shut down 3rd party attempts after you have forgone the service. I 100% agree with that part.
And a minimum time I am on the fence about. They cannot predict the future. So say the game gets abandoned and only a dozen players with 10 years left on that promise..they have to pay for servers they lost money on, losing more money for no ones gain. That might break teh company and people may lose jobs off paying for ghost servers no one uses.
So it works both ways to me.
For making tools for others to do it? I'm neutral. They should, but have to? Not so much. it would be a kind gesture of good will. But to not to does not make them a villian so much.
I did watch the video, I can be informed of the content and still disagree with some of it.
And I'm not saying its as old as games since dial up, and OK. I'm saying it's old as games and some people act like this is a 'now dev generation' issue and call them 'shittier' than old devs. I'm saying blame all the correct people, not just the ones you happen to notice.
Because if we are being fair, at least from my stance. I own a LOT more games from late 90s to mid 2000's that dont work because of gamespy MP, than current games that don't work.
Edit: or MMO's I was a HUGE MMO nerd fanatic. If they made an MMO I probably played it pre-2004ish (WoW ruined MMO's for me). Everyone of them, or nearly, I got disks for that are useless. So its not a 'new troubling trend' I guess is my point. Its been an ongoing one since 56k modems.
While I can see the argument of purpose behind the stance. I cannot endorse it.
Buying the game, I dont think entitles anyone to unlimited forever access to thier servers. You bough the game, not server space or CPU time. You paid for whatever coding comes on that disk. Not the hardware that its plays on/connects to.
To me its the same as having a 1G flip phone and complaining that you bough the phone, and without 1G service its useless so AT&T or T-Mobile needs to equip towers with legacy 1G service.
Or you bought a TiVo box, and the back end services shuts down after 15 years, and demanding it stay up to support legacy SD DVR technology.
Like my sons car, it has support in the radio for a now long defunct satellite radio service. Should he petition it be put back up because he bought something that connects to it and a useless feature without it?
So with a game, you bought the disk/copy/whatever. Unless the EULA or box said something about guaranteed forever online play support, you didnt get that when you bought it. You are just upset because you assumed you did.
And this isnt a new thing. I got games from late 90's to early 2000's that uses that old gamespy MP thing, or defunct eternal server lists, or legacy protocols windows dont have anymore for multiplayer. So its a thing, since MP games started. Its nature of the beast. Old games...may loose some functionality.
Why can't you endorse it? Is it your problem if multibillionaire companies lose a couple of dollars a month to host a server with multiple game servers with games that has like max 1-2000 players? If they charge full price, fuck em.
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Well if renting servers was only a couple of dollars a month. Then I could.
Are you implying buying and running a server farm is couple of dollars a month?
My issue with that solution is: If they cannot profit on it, and obligated to, they will make up profits by firing the lowest totem pole people.
So me demanding a game I do as a hobby exist for a set number of years, may cost someone thier livelihood.
Because you know the big wigs of that multibillionaire company isnt eating the loss. So your lack of caring if they lose money, isnt how it would work to start with. You are worrying about the wrong people (or lack of worrying about them).
"Oh no a CEO lost some of his yearly bonus. Who cares?"
"No, he didnt, John in customer support lost his job is how that was compensated for"
People just think "So what big company lost money...no empathy for them". Sure ok. But not thinking past the first step into how they FIX that loss is the problem. They lost it, but the rich people you dont care about didnt suffer one bit. The people like you, that work there, did.
This notification I guess means you cant download the game anymore. What if people decide to make an unofficial server... I did also play it mostly in sp for like 5eu.
As for server costs, if it scales down properly, it probably does cost peanuts a month running along side other game servers.
I wonder how many people read eula from Steam and know that you don't own a single game. You just buy access to them.
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Just cause something is written in an EULA, doesn't make it enforceable. Most publishers these days, and for the longest time really, sell games as a "license to play it, and not ownership" and that whole bs needs to go away.
Just cause something is written in an EULA, doesn't make it enforceable. Most publishers these days, and for the longest time really, sell games as a "license to play it, and not ownership" and that whole bs needs to go away.
You pay for a service.
Like if you watch a tv show or movie, you don't own the content.
You pay for a service.
Like if you watch a tv show or movie, you don't own the content.
Yeah, congrats with being brainwashed by media. Yes, you don't own the content, but that particular copy used to be yours with physical media. Now publishers can just take it away, and people like you champion that cause "that is how it is".
The first times it happens you get dismissed because "it's just one time why do you care", and once it has happened enough times you get told "this is standard, why are you complaining?" and it gets set in stone.
@Kezmark
Yea, as I said 100 time on here:
Disagreeing must mean the MSM/Big gaming/Whatever was able to overpower the smooth brained with propaganda, and whoever has a different option must be one of those smooth brained the trickery worked on. (I R too smart to be fooled by it, if you think different. only reason you would is you must not be so big brained).
It cannot be a difference of stance, it must be because to think anything other than you do, means they must be of weaker mind than you, and the brainwashing worked.
GFTO.
If you want to debate it, stop dismissing any stance other than yours as "Yep, they got to you"
Just gift back ubishit credit () on the ubishit store () to whoever bought the game and now had it revoked, the same amount they paid for the ubishit game ().
If they got it via a cd key then I dunno
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Because it is a stupid position to take as a consumer to work against your own interest.
You assume my own interests are the same as yours.
You keep implying your stance is the only one to have, and now your gaming interests are the only ones people have?
I got boxes of old CD cases of games that used GameSpy MP service. Or MMO's from 95-2004(ish) that are useless as anything other than decoration for a cd case shelf if I had one (When reality is just too lazy to sort thru the boxes to throw away old game CDs)
If I bought a game, got 300+ hours out of it, and it was ONLY MP online. And they shut down the servers. I'd go (and have before) "Shame, sad news..But I got my money worth out of it".
So again, my interests are not yours. My desires for my old games are not yours. Stop framing it as 'stupid'. When what you mean is "Not yours, so any difference you cannot fathom".
Why do you do such things? I dont not claim your stance is 'stupid' or 'tricked into'. I agree they are merely different desires of game usage. Not once have I attacked you or your stance.
I point out my stance on if games need infinite server support, and why I am not for it. (An opinion, like yours, and why I would not sign petitions for it as it gains me nothing).
Why do you do such things? I dont not claim your stance is 'stupid' or 'tricked into'. I agree they are merely different desires of game usage. Not once have I attacked you or your stance.
I point out my stance on if games need infinite server support, and why I am not for it. (An opinion, like yours, and why I would not sign petitions for it as it gains me nothing).
It's stupid cause you're arguing on a topic about people that do care about it, by just saying it is how it is, and I don't care about it. And you think this is in some way a valid argument. If you don't care, then move on. What is the point of your argument? In fact, if you had just followed your own advice, you'd have been much better of.
What exactly am I supposed to discuss with someone who comes and says "It doesn't matter to me"? It isn't my job to convince you this is something that matters. And yes, I do think your position is stupid since the current situation doesn't benefit you and it wouldn't hurt you if it changed.
When did I say anyone shouldn't or isnt allowed to care about it.
And when was I arguing? I gave an opinion of how I see it, and what situation demanding it may cause. You are the one arguing (calling people idiots an stupid). I never even addressed anyone's desires directly, only the topic.
Topic is about petitions to change it, I voiced my opinion on why I wouldn't vote yes.
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What exactly am I supposed to discuss with someone who comes and says "It doesn't matter to me"?
The same thing as with people that do care
The merits of such changes, the impacts of it, the effect on the company, and the players, of it?
I have to care about changing something in a certain way, to discuss the changes and effects of those changes? I have to have a goal in mind of what I want beforehand, to discuss the impacts and future scenarios of what each sides goal might cause (be it good or bad), regardless if its the side I am 'for'.
There is nothing to argue with you since you just ignore everything anyway. You act nice and don't call people stupid but you are just generally obnoxious.
You say I just ignore people's points but I actually even answered in the first reply to the guy, you just ignored most of what I said and wrote a paragraph about how I mentioned he was brainwashed.
I then say that he's arguing against his own interest and you come at me with some bullshit about how I assume your interest are the same and bla bla bla.
No one gives a fuck if you have some warped pro-corporation interest. Everything in that petition is pro-consumer, and in the consumers' interest, even if you as 1 of many consumers don't share that for some dumb reason. Just cause a victim of domestic abuse defends her aggressor, doesn't mean that the neighbors reporting her spouse aren't acting in her best interest. Some people, like you, just get used to and even defend getting abused.
No one gives a fuck if you have some warped pro-corporation interest.
Well that good to know, since I dont.
I just disagree with wanting to sign a petition for it. I can not want to sign a petition and not be pro (whatever its about).
I just know demanding it, will not be teh company paying for it if it changes. It will either be the employees, or the customer. So since it has no gain to me to sign it. I dont wish to push the price off on someone for a thing I have no need of.
If you think making them do it is all win, no lose for anyone involved. I think you have waaaay too high of a opinion of corporations morals. And you call me a pro-corporation person Your the one being unusually optimistic about thier morals and "Forcing them can only mean all win for us, no loss"
I think they suck, and will pass on the cost of it to someone, and I dont want to pay taht cost since I have no want for it.
And if server rentals gets over budget: When the bottom line gets fucked, bottom line employees get fucked first.
Good chance that the way some of them change? Monthly fees for online services. (Or at least some that never did before if now a requirement of guaranteed life of service) to make sure the requirement is met and paid. No thanks.
There is nothing to argue with you since you just ignore everything anyway. You act nice and don't call people stupid but you are just generally obnoxious.
You say I just ignore people's points but I actually even answered in the first reply to the guy, you just ignored most of what I said and wrote a paragraph about how I mentioned he was brainwashed.
I then say that he's arguing against his own interest and you come at me with some bullshit about how I assume your interest are the same and bla bla bla.
No one gives a fuck if you have some warped pro-corporation interest. Everything in that petition is pro-consumer, and in the consumers' interest, even if you as 1 of many consumers don't share that for some dumb reason. Just cause a victim of domestic abuse defends her aggressor, doesn't mean that the neighbors reporting her spouse aren't acting in her best interest. Some people, like you, just get used to and even defend getting abused.
Thing is, I was not debating him. I gave my opinion on why a no to sign it for me, and he took that as I was talking to him. or saying him wanting it was bad.
Problem is I think he thinks this thread is for only "Post if yes you want this, plz all others dont comment kuz you stupid, k thx".
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Your the one being unusually optimistic about thier morals and "Forcing them can only mean all win for us, no loss"
