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dingo_d
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 19:34    Post subject: It sucks
Having to do layout design on a crappy TN panel monitor -.-"

As I'm scrolling the colors change FFS! I'm never really sure what the color I picked looked like!

Aaaa! And I have no money to buy a decent IPS panel :\ I need to get a job asap...


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thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 19:44    Post subject:
Aw, reading these kind of posts make me sad

when reading them on my 23" IPS panel Cool Face
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 19:47    Post subject:
Do it all in black and white Cool Face

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dingo_d
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 20:16    Post subject:
moosenoodles wrote:
Do it all in black and white Cool Face

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On my monitor that would be white and different shades of gray Laughing

I'll try to sell my monitor for ~130€ or less (100€ at least), it's in good condition, and it works, but the viewing angles are killing me :\

@Guy_Incognito: 23", why not 24"? I plan buying Dell U2412M Smile


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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ixigia
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 21:09    Post subject:
I know that feel Dingo
"Thankfully" I use the monitor only for entertaining tasks these days (gaming/movies/browsing), doing serious work with a subpar TN is excruciating indeed Razz
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 21:22    Post subject:
What is this IPS you are talking of? Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 21:49    Post subject:
TN Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 21:50    Post subject:
TBH, I'd rather stick screwdrivers in my eyes than use a TN. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 22:04    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 22:28    Post subject:
Oh well apparently my 47" LG has an IPS panel Everything Went Better Than Expected


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 22:40    Post subject:
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@Guy_Incognito: 23", why not 24"? I plan buying Dell U2412M Smile

Well, this one was ~170 euros while the 24" one was 50 euros more, so I said, fuck it, I'll buy better graphics card instead Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 09:12    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
TBH, I'd rather stick screwdrivers in my eyes than use a TN. Laughing

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When you haz no monies you have to make with what you have Sad

Trust me, I want to stick screwdrivers in my eyes too :\

@Guy_Incognito: Ah, ok, that's kinda justifiable xD But I like 16:10, and the 23" model is 16:9, that's why I'd like to have 24" model ^^


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 10:38    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 11:26    Post subject:
It's an LG 47LE5300. No smart tv, no internet whatever, but I don't need that stuff as it is directly hooked up to my PC and in the worst case I can just put in some usb stick or hdd and watch my x264 directly Smile

Apparently there are some LE5300 which come with non-ips panels, but they have a different serial number and are easy to spot, this one with IPS has a very nice picture and low latency Smile

And I just checked, it isn't sold anymore... I got it for ~840, which was a very good price 2 years ago Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 11:41    Post subject:
Don't get it for anything. I have TN on both my thinkpads and they suck donkeyballs for anything Sad


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 11:59    Post subject:
Most people have TN displays anyway or they are not calibrated. The problem would be if you had to print it. The god of cluster fuck is ever vigilant than.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 13:55    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
dingo_d wrote:
Having to do layout design on a crappy TN panel monitor -.-"

As I'm scrolling the colors change FFS! I'm never really sure what the color I picked looked like!

Aaaa! And I have no money to buy a decent IPS panel :\ I need to get a job asap...


I notice how shitty the colours are on jobs from years ago when I open them on my new monitors

What's scary is how most people end up viewing it any way. You can labor over colours for hours, but at the end of the day it's likely to be viewed on a phone or some shitty TN panel.



Yeah, but I'm doing layout design (in InDesign), so I need the most accurate color reproduction as possible :\


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 14:29    Post subject:
i have a Acer X221W right now (and for like 4+ years). Now that's abysmal. How i'm able to see and kill people in BF is a true testament to my skill ^^. Seriously, it's almost impossible to distinct anything on it. I usually just aim for the orange triangles ^^.

Can't wait for my new screen in 10 days Smile

(add to that a crappy 10$ wireless logitech keyboard lol. hich i'll replace with a brand new G510 as well in 10 days hihi).
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 14:34    Post subject:
There are cheap IPS monitors. Acer made one, I had it but it broke down and now I'm stuck with TN until the Acer IPS stock is, well, restocked. Cost ~160 euros? I think. Acer h236hl family. I am not aware of a bigger size, but I was very content with it, it was cheap and great, I can't wait to get it again.




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2014 15:52    Post subject:
Nah, I want Dell


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson
chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Feb 2014 00:45    Post subject:
VonMisk wrote:
Most people have TN displays anyway or they are not calibrated. The problem would be if you had to print it. The god of cluster fuck is ever vigilant than.

Ok very noob question incoming, how do I correctly calibrate mine? Razz
I think I used this site back then http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ , but the results were so bad that I said fuck it, I'll just live in my own distorted world where you need to keep your head always still to see what's going on xD
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Feb 2014 06:41    Post subject:
ClaudeFTW wrote:
cheap IPS monitors...Acer... it broke down... Cost ~160...I can't wait to get it again.


I just hope you are not paying twice. Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Feb 2014 08:41    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
VonMisk wrote:
Most people have TN displays anyway or they are not calibrated. The problem would be if you had to print it. The god of cluster fuck is ever vigilant than.

Ok very noob question incoming, how do I correctly calibrate mine? Razz
I think I used this site back then http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ , but the results were so bad that I said fuck it, I'll just live in my own distorted world where you need to keep your head always still to see what's going on xD



The only good way to calibrate a display is with something like this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/838843-REG/Datacolor_S4X100_Spyder4Express.html

I used that lagom page on my previous Samsung display but hell if I know if it was properly calibrated. You have to take your own color perception and external light source into account.
You can always use some predefined color profiles for windows from here for example:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm

But our photo department at work used one and they said it messed up their color settings, thou the dept. is far from professional imho.
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Feb 2014 09:02    Post subject:
Yup, you need a calibrator. My bf has one, but he's a graphic designer and has a kickass monitor, and plans on buying 27" Dell.

Damn you people with jobs and money :'(


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson
chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Feb 2014 12:05    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
ClaudeFTW wrote:
cheap IPS monitors...Acer... it broke down... Cost ~160...I can't wait to get it again.


I just hope you are not paying twice. Smile


Nah. Friend of mine lended the monitor in my signature until my model is restocked. Gonna take forever, but the shop I got it from has been very understanding and will not charge me a penny more. But, again, gonna take a while. I also got some store credit because of my patience, azerty is really awesome.

This is the Acer IPS in question.




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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Feb 2014 00:33    Post subject:
VonMisk wrote:
ixigia wrote:
VonMisk wrote:
Most people have TN displays anyway or they are not calibrated. The problem would be if you had to print it. The god of cluster fuck is ever vigilant than.

Ok very noob question incoming, how do I correctly calibrate mine? Razz
I think I used this site back then http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ , but the results were so bad that I said fuck it, I'll just live in my own distorted world where you need to keep your head always still to see what's going on xD



The only good way to calibrate a display is with something like this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/838843-REG/Datacolor_S4X100_Spyder4Express.html

I used that lagom page on my previous Samsung display but hell if I know if it was properly calibrated. You have to take your own color perception and external light source into account.
You can always use some predefined color profiles for windows from here for example:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm

But our photo department at work used one and they said it messed up their color settings, thou the dept. is far from professional imho.

I see, thanks for the infos. I thought it was something that I could do "easily" without needing any additional tools. I'll just tolerate my ugly panel until I'll be a rich kurwa Razz

@Dingo: haha, indeed Very Happy
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