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noflip
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | Yeah fuck this. I am not going to spend 50E for a new steam game, while my monyhly wage is 400E. That is too much
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Wanna talk about Bulgaria? The minimal monthly wage here is around 110 Euro.
And trust me, living costs are the same as everywhere (plus we pay the highest mobile phone prices per minute in whole Europe - a fact) and retail game sellers do not give a fuck about when a game has been released, they keep the full price as much as they can. I'm really sorry that I haven't got access to my old PC, so that I can upload a picture I took a couple of years ago of FiFA 2009 and FIFA 2010 being sold next to each other for the same full price.
And people still wonder why piracy is so widespread in Eastern Europe.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Dec 2012 20:58 Post subject: |
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It begins. http://kotaku.com/5966860/gabe-newell-living-room-pcs-will-compete-with-next+gen-consoles
| Quote: | Steam's Big Picture mode was just the first step: according to Valve boss Gabe Newell, you'll be able to buy a living-room-friendly PC package next year.
Speaking to me during a brief interview on the red carpet at the VGAs last night, Newell said Valve's current goal was to figure out how to make PCs work better in the living room. He said the reaction to Steam's TV-friendly Big Picture interface has been "stronger than expected," and that their next step is to get Steam Linux out of beta and to get Big Picture on that operating system, which would give Valve more flexibility when developing their own hardware.
He also expects companies to start selling PC packages for living rooms next year—setups that could consist of computers designed to be hooked up to your TV and run Steam right out of the gate. And yes, Newell said, they'd compete with next-gen consoles from companies like Microsoft and Sony.
"I think in general that most customers and most developers are gonna find that [the PC is] a better environment for them," Newell told me. "Cause they won't have to split the world into thinking about 'why are my friends in the living room, why are my video sources in the living room different from everyone else?' So in a sense we hopefully are gonna unify those environments."
Newell said he's expecting a lot of different companies to release these types of packages—"We'll do it but we also think other people will as well," he told me—and that Valve's hardware might not be as open-source or as malleable as your average computer.
"Well certainly our hardware will be a very controlled environment," he said. "If you want more flexibility, you can always buy a more general purpose PC. For people who want a more turnkey solution, that's what some people are really gonna want for their living room.
"The nice thing about a PC is a lot of different people can try out different solutions, and customers can find the ones that work best for them."
I also asked Newell what sort of software they're working on these days. He wouldn't give specifics, but he did reiterate that they're working on their next-generation engine—which he said will work with next-generation consoles as well.
"Hopefully that's gonna give us some interesting opportunities on the game side," he said. |
HL3 will be on SteamBox/X720/PS4 I guess.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Dec 2012 21:07 Post subject: |
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Maybe they will just be selling pc's with horizontal cases
3080, ps5, lg oled
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Dec 2012 22:23 Post subject: |
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So Gaben's masterplan is to bastardize the masterrace 
Personally I don't see anything good (or useful, at least for me) coming from this, but we'll see. 
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Dec 2012 22:39 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | It begins. http://kotaku.com/5966860/gabe-newell-living-room-pcs-will-compete-with-next+gen-consoles
| Quote: | Steam's Big Picture mode was just the first step: according to Valve boss Gabe Newell, you'll be able to buy a living-room-friendly PC package next year.
Speaking to me during a brief interview on the red carpet at the VGAs last night, Newell said Valve's current goal was to figure out how to make PCs work better in the living room. He said the reaction to Steam's TV-friendly Big Picture interface has been "stronger than expected," and that their next step is to get Steam Linux out of beta and to get Big Picture on that operating system, which would give Valve more flexibility when developing their own hardware.
He also expects companies to start selling PC packages for living rooms next year—setups that could consist of computers designed to be hooked up to your TV and run Steam right out of the gate. And yes, Newell said, they'd compete with next-gen consoles from companies like Microsoft and Sony.
"I think in general that most customers and most developers are gonna find that [the PC is] a better environment for them," Newell told me. "Cause they won't have to split the world into thinking about 'why are my friends in the living room, why are my video sources in the living room different from everyone else?' So in a sense we hopefully are gonna unify those environments."
Newell said he's expecting a lot of different companies to release these types of packages—"We'll do it but we also think other people will as well," he told me—and that Valve's hardware might not be as open-source or as malleable as your average computer.
"Well certainly our hardware will be a very controlled environment," he said. "If you want more flexibility, you can always buy a more general purpose PC. For people who want a more turnkey solution, that's what some people are really gonna want for their living room.
"The nice thing about a PC is a lot of different people can try out different solutions, and customers can find the ones that work best for them."
I also asked Newell what sort of software they're working on these days. He wouldn't give specifics, but he did reiterate that they're working on their next-generation engine—which he said will work with next-generation consoles as well.
"Hopefully that's gonna give us some interesting opportunities on the game side," he said. |
HL3 will be on SteamBox/X720/PS4 I guess. |
Only thing sexy I see in that picture are the Polk Audio speakers |
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nerrd
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This is a welcome confirmation to something many of us expected. I didn't think it would happen this soon though.
I just can't wait to hear all the wine and bitch about this one.
[rant]
Lets see. Just as soon Steam has turned the master race (read: pirates, nerds and leeches) into actual customers by delivering unmatched service coupled with great value they try and dare to release a CONSOLE?!? Oh no! How dare they! Evil, stupid, purpose built peasant device! What kind of derp would want that?! We want a tower case (neon lights a big plus, that shit is leet), PC monitor (1080p big screen, lawl/derp), an office chair in a cozy corner, preferably still in parents basement! If anyone mentions a controller I will fucking blow! I play games with a typewriter-mouse combo ONLY!
On the other hand....hmmm...we just fucking love Linux and hating on M$ and the MONSTER that Windows 8 has become is still pretty in. Also the evil partner in crime, DirectX is the main reason why all our games look the same, and why AIDS is still flourishing in Africa. Valve trying to fix this might a good idea after all.
WTF? Don't know what to think now. Quick! Better stick to my instincts.
Lawl! Console peasants! Fuck off! Give us HL3 nao! 
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Dec 2012 23:58 Post subject: |
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Not worried or concerned in the least by this.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 00:02 Post subject: |
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As long as Valve doesn't delete games from my account for any reason (not playing a game for a long time, not buying anything for a long time etc), I'm OK with whatever they do.
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | As long as Valve doesn't delete games from my account for any reason (not playing a game for a long time, not buying anything for a long time etc), I'm OK with whatever they do. |
On the other hand that might be a genious solution to make us play our huge backlogs 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 00:20 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 10:37 Post subject: |
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Like he said, this won't replace PCs but is just for people who CBA to create their own machine and/or need a more powerful console.
As long as this doesn't mess up with game availability on the PC I'm okay with it.
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 12:01 Post subject: |
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I hope it will be a succes. This would give better support for gaming using an open source OS.
Oh please, let it be the end of windows.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 17:43 Post subject: |
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If they make some sort of emulator for the game on linux, i mean for all the games, to work properly il go to linux in a heartbeat
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 17:56 Post subject: |
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| Yuri wrote: | Like he said, this won't replace PCs but is just for people who CBA to create their own machine and/or need a more powerful console.
As long as this doesn't mess up with game availability on the PC I'm okay with it. |
Maybe this will mean nearly all games released on console are also released on PC. I mean, and this could be a problem, there isn't much testing needed to release for this box as everyone will have the same hardware. Optimisation for this box would be fairly easy. I don't know how that could affect other PC's though.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 18:18 Post subject: |
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I really don't understand how this would work. I assume that the OS would be based on linux.
But what would you play? There are almost no games for linux atm.
They would need to convince publishers to port games to it and make sure that they work flawlessly on that system. I doubt the general customer base of the steambox would want to mess around with drivers etc.
With the limited hardware (I doubt they'll sell it with a gtx 680 and an i7 etc) what makes it different from a regular console and why would anyone other than a valve fanboy buy one?
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 19:39 Post subject: |
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It'll likely be marketed as "comes with a free copy of Half - Life 3 and Left 4 Dead 3!" or hell, why not all of Valve's games?, and there's plenty of indie games that have linux versions. AAA third party Linux games is going to be tough, but perhaps they'll be able to convince some companies. I think since Valve started supporting Mac, a lot more games have been made for it (while not ideal, there's a decent selection of Mac games nowadays, the problem is they usually come very late).
What makes it different from a regular console, come on, it's a form of (HT)PC afterall. Last time I checked even the worst console fanboys have a PC for their browsing and pirating needs. A PC can do so much more, and everybody needs one (in one form or another, eg tablet). The question is what makes it different (better) from (than) a PC you can buy on your own and download Steam on it. Probably not much.
And if one doesn't care about couch gaming this will be of zero interest to him. But more and more people do.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 19:50 Post subject: I have left. |
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 21:19 Post subject: |
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Some people do get PCs to be used as media centers for their living room. I assume Valve will make their Steambox OS optimised for HDTVs and couch use and won't be purely a machine for playing Steam games.
I can see a market for a device like that if the price is right. A HTPC that you can simply plug in and start using with some simple enough controller. Setting up your own PC like that is a bit more complicated for an "average" user. Making it small, and neat looking for a living room is also another issue, although there are some console-like PCs available now.
Of course if they close it down too much, it won't be all that much different than the consoles (next-gen in particular, since they might even use the same or comparable hardware). In this case it's only the Steam library that will be it's exclusive feature.
Another issue is that even when it comes to Steam games on Windows, some work needs to be done with the games themselves to make it work properly with no need of the usual PC input devices. Some games that are seemingly controller oriented still insist on launching some kind of a configuration window before starting up, which is unusable with a gamepad, for example.
I imagine Valve will need to enforce some rules - a qualification process of sorts.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Dec 2012 21:25 Post subject: |
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I believe it is feasible for valve even on Windows machines.
However, it would be optimal for them if games would stop depend on DirectX and therefore be exclusive for windows. A custom steam Linux Os would be the best thing.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 03:12 Post subject: |
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This may and will sound crazy, but for how long now did Steam have the inbuilt option to install games on other partitions/drives?
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typical jew comment
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Badrien
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 03:21 Post subject: |
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since they iintroduced the console beta thing. quite a while i believe
RTX ON
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 03:24 Post subject: |
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Nice, no more mklink to put some games on an ssd. Finaly, I might add.
| sin317 wrote: |
typical jew comment
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Ithink that it will be optional thing for those who dont already have good gaming pc.
Those wth win7 or 8 and good gaming rig can sleep safe and wont need to switch to steam 'console'
3080, ps5, lg oled
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 10:04 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | Ithink that it will be optional thing for those who dont already have good gaming pc.
Those wth win7 or 8 and good gaming rig can sleep safe and wont need to switch to steam 'console' |
Of course. Gabe even says that, that that's the magic of the PC; you can build/buy the one that you find the best for what you need. Some will find the SteamBox of use, others won't.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Dec 2012 14:00 Post subject: I have left. |
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 19:36 Post subject: |
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-12-11-hotline-miami-torrented-to-extraordinary-levels
In the Valve thread for this quote
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 20:47 Post subject: |
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I'm not sure how any PC gamer can't be happy about SteamBox. If it really takes off and gives the next gen consoles a run for their money, that will mean more and better PC games for all of us. I'd love to see the XBOX and PS3 (or next gen equivalent) get buried and PC gaming take over completely. Finding people to game with online can be a challenge any more. Hawken beta 3 was almost impossible to find people to play with. FireFall, one of the most promising games I've seen (although still kind of buggy in beta), who has an incredible dev team I see little mention of and can't find people who even want a free beta key, despite the game being solid now and I guarantee it will be amazing sometime in 2013. Planetside 2 is doing pretty well, so that much is good. And even Black Ops 2, which sold crazy numbers (no idea on PC) has about 15k people or so most the time or less on PC. Now, it's not a great example, obviously, because we know what kind of fucking derps Acturdvision is, but still, in the past it would have had 50K+ all the time.
Something like SteamBox could really crank those number up and I would love to see it. F2P seems to be the way that PC gaming is going, and that's OK in many ways. But I seem to end up spending more on F2P games that I really like than I would if they were $50-$60. However, having nobody to play with is not good for PC gaming. I thought about buying XCOM to play online... but why? Nobody plays it. Same can be said about a ton of other PC games as well.
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Dec 2012 21:05 Post subject: |
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| Vulgarr wrote: | I'm not sure how any PC gamer can't be happy about SteamBox. If it really takes off and gives the next gen consoles a run for their money, that will mean more and better PC games for all of us. I'd love to see the XBOX and PS3 (or next gen equivalent) get buried and PC gaming take over completely. Finding people to game with online can be a challenge any more. Hawken beta 3 was almost impossible to find people to play with. FireFall, one of the most promising games I've seen (although still kind of buggy in beta), who has an incredible dev team I see little mention of and can't find people who even want a free beta key, despite the game being solid now and I guarantee it will be amazing sometime in 2013. Planetside 2 is doing pretty well, so that much is good. And even Black Ops 2, which sold crazy numbers (no idea on PC) has about 15k people or so most the time or less on PC. Now, it's not a great example, obviously, because we know what kind of fucking derps Acturdvision is, but still, in the past it would have had 50K+ all the time.
Something like SteamBox could really crank those number up and I would love to see it. F2P seems to be the way that PC gaming is going, and that's OK in many ways. But I seem to end up spending more on F2P games that I really like than I would if they were $50-$60. However, having nobody to play with is not good for PC gaming. I thought about buying XCOM to play online... but why? Nobody plays it. Same can be said about a ton of other PC games as well. |
While no console crap would be nice i think it goes both ways, imagine if all console players would buy pc, then all devs would develop for pc and we would get even more consolised crap games(steamlined) and it could even spread more, because you only need develop for 1 platform and more devs are interested to exploit new pc users for money and even few good games would die out....but thats just one of the million possibilities, so lets hope that wont happen.
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Dec 2012 12:18 Post subject: |
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Also researching whether it's the time to support tablets: http://kotaku.com/5967051/valve-wants-to-get-dota-2-running-on-tablets
| Quote: | At the VGAs on Friday night, I asked Valve boss Gabe Newell if they were working on any interesting software projects. He said they were indeed.
"We were working on getting Dota 2 running on some tablets," he said. "That ended up being kind of a disappointment. But the good news is that tablets are getting faster very quickly, so I think we'll get the kind of performance we want and other game developers want in the near future."
And Dota 2, a game that is fast-paced, but not quite as demanding on your fingers as an eSport like StarCraft, could be a very good fit for the touch-screen interface on an iPad or Android tablet.
"It's a good one for us to test with," Newell said. |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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