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| killabyte wrote: | i guess the selfish thing is more of a perspective issue. i had a good friend who gassed himself with his car in' 95. he was bright and had a good future ahead of him. he left a note that basically said everything he did was an act. he felt like a performer and that his life was fake. it's hard to say exactly how it came to be, because only he would know, but i guess everything just kind of came together at the wrong/right time, however you want to call it.
it comes down to the person too. for the past 4 years i've been one of those people where if something can go wrong for you, it will and normally does at the worst possible time. i'm stuck in a dead end job with no chance to climb the ranks because there are none. actually i'm the only employee right now. i've been trying to morph it from one business type into another but my location on this mudball is greatly hindering that. and it's not as easy as just saying move somewhere else. if it was that easy to pick up and take off everyone would do it constantly because we all get tired of seeing the same crap over and over.
it seems like my boss hates me. customers are falling off left and right because of the wonderful situation bush left us in. my dad may have cancer. my wife's father DOES have cancer and it's probably terminal. my mom is going crazy. my brother is lazy and won't work which puts more strain on my folks. it seems every day is just a series of aggravations. i have a few non-serious medical issues myself that need tending but i can't go to the doctor because if i close up, i lose business for the time closed and possibly even more as a long term result.
am i going to kill myself? no - some days i would sure like to end it all though because it gets very aggravating to say the least. so i think it comes down to the person. everyone has a breaking point and once you reach it, maybe depending on the person depends on how they handle it. i feel like i'm at mine and as i said, i'm not suicidal but boy am i sick of this shit! |
Damn man, i feel what your saying...  But you gotta have napoleon bonaparte mentality, the spirit to conquer every obstical 
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Jul 2009 20:32 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 05:44 Post subject: |
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just a coward who took the easy way out in his eyes
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 06:05 Post subject: |
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| copecowboy wrote: | | just a coward who took the easy way out in his eyes |
I dunno if you're a coward to kill yourself. Personally I couldn't fathom doing it, and I've been through some shit in my life ... never to the point where I'd be wanting to kill myself, but still at that brink of desperation. So I think those who say that it's "the easy way out" aren't really thinking about what is required mentally to not just decide to end it, but actually act upon it. Probably a lot of hours of pondering... to me it's pretty fucking depressing to think about it really, that there are people who lead such lives as they feel they'd rather die than go on. I see a lot of arguments for it, but fuck...
At the same time, people killing themselves annoy me. I do realize that a lot of people do not have the support-structure to get through bad shit (like I, luckily did) but life is too much of an experience (good and bad) to just throw away like that. And considering how many people die for stupid shit reasons... it seems sort of spoilt to just decide to throw what so many struggle for away like that.
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| Posted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 06:37 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | I live in little brady bunch town, nothing bad ever happens, a kid I grew up with for 15 years never an ounce of violence just murdered an elderly couple of the street from us, they found the weapon in his house and the mom is going away for trying to destroy the evidence.
I grew up with him, and now he's in prison. The fucked up thing is the elderly couple he murderd, there dog escaped some years back and we ended up taking care of it till one day they came knocking on doors asking if we've seen there dog and we had it. |
Sounds like either drugs or some spontaneous mental act :/ Sad stuff like that can happen.
So whats his statement? Or does he even remember doing it? |
sorry for the late reply. i personally haven't talked to him so I can't really say if it's true or not but he hid in his house's bushes to talk to his mom the night the cops were after him and I guess he told his mom it wasn't him, that there was some guy there before him that did it, had duct tape covering his arm and shit, but that isn't what struck me odd, what struck me is he said he didn't do it, but WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU DOING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE |
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 20:19 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | copecowboy wrote: | | just a coward who took the easy way out in his eyes |
I dunno if you're a coward to kill yourself. Personally I couldn't fathom doing it, and I've been through some shit in my life ... never to the point where I'd be wanting to kill myself, but still at that brink of desperation. So I think those who say that it's "the easy way out" aren't really thinking about what is required mentally to not just decide to end it, but actually act upon it. Probably a lot of hours of pondering... to me it's pretty fucking depressing to think about it really, that there are people who lead such lives as they feel they'd rather die than go on. I see a lot of arguments for it, but fuck...
At the same time, people killing themselves annoy me. I do realize that a lot of people do not have the support-structure to get through bad shit (like I, luckily did) but life is too much of an experience (good and bad) to just throw away like that. And considering how many people die for stupid shit reasons... it seems sort of spoilt to just decide to throw what so many struggle for away like that. |
Agreed man
I've been through my own stuff in life and been at the point where I wondered if I would be better off dead but there's no way I have the balls to kill myself.
It annoys me when people say that someone took the 'easy way out' by offing themselves. Even if your using a gun, you still have to cock it/pull the trigger...fuck. I couldn't do it.
Tho...I do think sick serial killers and rapists who commit suicide are taking the easy way out, so to speak...rest of your life in a cell or death? I'd choose death under that condition tbh. Tho I'd go out trippin balls on acid and the horse you know? lol |
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 21:52 Post subject: |
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I've thought of killing myself countless times, but I would like to go nicely: potassium chloride followed by a shot of sodium pentothal.
Sisters boyfriend mother is an anesthesiologist, and her colleague killed himself that way. Nice, you inject a hart-stopper and then strong anesthetic.
I could never kill myself with gun or a knife, when I think that the last thing I would feel is pain... creeps me out.
So in the end my own cowardice keeps me alive, kinda sad when you think of it 
@ wgem: those lyrics are waay too creepy. I think his mother never heard of the song or else she would get him to psychiatric...
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 21:57 Post subject: |
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U wouldn't feel pain from a gun if you put it to your head or in your mouth and used a hollow point man. By the time you press the trigger, your dead.
Unless there is some freak accident and it richochet's....but with a hollow point...i think that is next to impossible.
Same goes for a knife if you do it correctly (but much harder).
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 22:08 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | U wouldn't feel pain from a gun if you put it to your head or in your mouth and used a hollow point man. By the time you press the trigger, your dead.
Unless there is some freak accident and it richochet's....but with a hollow point...i think that is next to impossible.
Same goes for a knife if you do it correctly (but much harder). |
Well you really don't know that, because nobody can tell you that it doesn't hurt. Some say that while you still have oxygen in your blood coming to your brain you can be conscious, if for 2 sec then 2 sec, and when you know you're dying it's scary.
On the other hand a sharp blow to the head could stun you pretty much instantly so...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 23:31 Post subject: |
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| wgem wrote: | how can you tell for sure? no one who has died from putting a bullet through their brain can say shit  so we will never know for 100% certain that it doesnt hurt. |
That's my point! You can't know... I've found sth on net, but I cannot vouch for the source...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 23:33 Post subject: |
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It's like people who claim some animals see in black and white. There is no %100 proof that they do, as we cant see through their eyes.
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 23:36 Post subject: |
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| wgem wrote: | | It's like people who claim some animals see in black and white. There is no %100 proof that they do, as we cant see through their eyes. |
But we do know a lot about their anatomy to be certain...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 23:40 Post subject: |
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well, we can be sure about some, but others not so.
for example, animals that rely on eating fruit and such would surely see in color for those purposes, seeing which fruits where ripe, instincts and such perhaps but who knows.
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| Posted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 23:59 Post subject: |
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Still a fuckin stupid argument man....come on. Its like that stupid question...'if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?'. Of course it does....
And any pain you'd feel would be so quick, you'd be dead before it registers
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 00:04 Post subject: |
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| hercules18 wrote: | | How can you be sure he committed suicide? maybe it was an accident, or he was sick... |
YES HOW IN THE FUCKING HELL CAN WE JUST EXPECT THAT YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MATTER BECAUSE HE IS SOMEONE YOU KNOW, THAN WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US? IT'S CLEAR THAT WE MUST MAKE CONCLUSIONS BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU COULD BE HIDING THE TRUTH!
Hercules, dude, come on.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 00:09 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound? |
Ahaha... yeah, it's: 'If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around, does it make a sound?'
It's tricky because it's in the eyes of the beholder. It's all about the perception... A it's too late for philosophy (and quantum physics  )...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 00:22 Post subject: |
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lol naw man.....mass hitting mass makes a fuckin sound. Its like saying if you shoot off a gun and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? or some other kinda deal....
Stupid argument in my opinion
Too late? Well, yeah, for you perhaps lol
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 00:33 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | lol naw man.....mass hitting mass makes a fuckin sound. Its like saying if you shoot off a gun and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? or some other kinda deal....
Stupid argument in my opinion
Too late? Well, yeah, for you perhaps lol |
It's not an argument, it's about questioning assumptions.
If there is no sound recorded or heard, how can you prove that a sound was actually made? There are no absolutes, so while it is probable a sound was made, it is not definite.
The movement of mass only makes a noise if there is a gas to transmit the vibrations.
The point Syco, which I think you missed, is that you should never take anything for granted. Although I'm sure you'll claim you knew that anyway.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 00:36 Post subject: |
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well really , that was a bit harsh AM.
Technically he has a point, just because a tree falls over and no one around.. etc..
BUT, said tree is still over, and if someone was around still, it would make noise. So its a retarded argument, and a bit pedantic. But I dont agree that my argument about animals eyesight in color etc is an argument that can be compared to the tree thing..
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 00:49 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | lol naw man.....mass hitting mass makes a fuckin sound. Its like saying if you shoot off a gun and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? or some other kinda deal....
Stupid argument in my opinion
Too late? Well, yeah, for you perhaps lol |
It's not an argument, it's about questioning assumptions.
If there is no sound recorded or heard, how can you prove that a sound was actually made? There are no absolutes, so while it is probable a sound was made, it is not definite.
The movement of mass only makes a noise if there is a gas to transmit the vibrations.
The point Syco, which I think you missed, is that you should never take anything for granted. Although I'm sure you'll claim you knew that anyway. |
lol no, I missed the point on this one smartass lol |
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 00:50 Post subject: |
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| wgem wrote: | well really , that was a bit harsh AM.
Technically he has a point, just because a tree falls over and no one around.. etc..
BUT, said tree is still over, and if someone was around still, it would make noise. So its a retarded argument, and a bit pedantic. But I dont agree that my argument about animals eyesight in color etc is an argument that can be compared to the tree thing.. |
He's just cranky his fleshlight stopped workin |
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 00:53 Post subject: |
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I think you all missed the point with the tree/sound question which was a rhetorical question to begin with. Its actual usage is supposed to be as an illustration of paradigms in our society.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 01:03 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | wgem wrote: | well really , that was a bit harsh AM.
Technically he has a point, just because a tree falls over and no one around.. etc..
BUT, said tree is still over, and if someone was around still, it would make noise. So its a retarded argument, and a bit pedantic. But I dont agree that my argument about animals eyesight in color etc is an argument that can be compared to the tree thing.. |
He's just cranky his fleshlight stopped workin |
What a coincidence it stopped working the day after you gave it me back from lending it! 
| swingman wrote: | | I think you all missed the point with the tree/sound question which was a rhetorical question to begin with. Its actual usage is supposed to be as an illustration of paradigms in our society. |
I didn't try to answer the question, merely pointed out that even the safest assumptions are based on probability not absolutes.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Aug 2009 01:13 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | wgem wrote: | well really , that was a bit harsh AM.
Technically he has a point, just because a tree falls over and no one around.. etc..
BUT, said tree is still over, and if someone was around still, it would make noise. So its a retarded argument, and a bit pedantic. But I dont agree that my argument about animals eyesight in color etc is an argument that can be compared to the tree thing.. |
He's just cranky his fleshlight stopped workin |
What a coincidence it stopped working the day after you gave it me back from lending it! |
That's a terrible comeback because the implications of lending/borrowing a fleshlight are equally bad for the lender and the lendee.
| AnimalMother wrote: | | swingman wrote: | | I think you all missed the point with the tree/sound question which was a rhetorical question to begin with. Its actual usage is supposed to be as an illustration of paradigms in our society. |
I didn't try to answer the question, merely pointed out that even the safest assumptions are based on probability not absolutes. |
Nice try but no cigar because that's not what you were saying. Remember who you're talking to. Your argument was
| AnimalMother wrote: | If there is no sound recorded or heard, how can you prove that a sound was actually made? There are no absolutes, so while it is probable a sound was made, it is not definite.
The movement of mass only makes a noise if there is a gas to transmit the vibrations. |
Which is a very self-centered way of looking at things. A bit like saying that the universe ceases to exist when I close my eyes. Not entirely surprising coming from you but false nonetheless.
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