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I noticed that we don't really have any NBA thread here so I thought I'd start one.
So what do you guys think so far off the off season and the team changes? Is Blake griffin gonna live up to the hype? Has the cavs done the necessary changes to get to the final this year? The teams for this season look really good, going to be really interesting to see how this season plays out. I am really looking forward to see the spurs play, with dejuan blair drafted which imo is the steal of the night as well as the the bench looking really hot as well.
So what do you think?
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Jul 2009 15:24 Post subject: Re: NBA Season 09/10 |
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| Razacka2 wrote: | | Is Blake griffin gonna live up to the hype? |
Probably, it's about time the Clippers shake their losing ways anyway, law of big numbers.
| Quote: | | Has the cavs done the necessary changes to get to the final this year? |
They went to the finals a couple of years back they had the team to do it last year, now with Shaq and Parker they can win it all no doubt about it, only the Celtics pose a threat right now in the east. Orlando without Hedo but with Vince is interesting, will see what happens there.
| Quote: | | I am really looking forward to see the spurs play, with dejuan blair drafted which imo is the steal of the night as well as the the bench looking really hot as well. |
Spurs steal someone every year they really do a great job, Manu was like a second round pick. |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Jul 2009 16:42 Post subject: Re: NBA Season 09/10 |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | Razacka2 wrote: | | Is Blake griffin gonna live up to the hype? |
Probably, it's about time the Clippers shake their losing ways anyway, law of big numbers.
| Quote: | | Has the cavs done the necessary changes to get to the final this year? |
They went to the finals a couple of years back they had the team to do it last year, now with Shaq and Parker they can win it all no doubt about it, only the Celtics pose a threat right now in the east. Orlando without Hedo but with Vince is interesting, will see what happens there.
| Quote: | | I am really looking forward to see the spurs play, with dejuan blair drafted which imo is the steal of the night as well as the the bench looking really hot as well. |
Spurs steal someone every year they really do a great job, Manu was like a second round pick. |
Well, going to be interesting to see blake play, hopefully he'll do fine. I think orlando isn't going to be good as last year, i'm not really sold on vince carter even though in my opinion he had a greater potential then kobe but his work ethic sucks, he never really fought for becoming what he could have become. only thing im a bit worried of is shaq defending the pick and roll but that wont matter now against orlando since hedo is gone.
What do you think about celtics? think they got a good shot if KG stays healthy?
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Jul 2009 18:20 Post subject: Re: NBA Season 09/10 |
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| Razacka2 wrote: |
Well, going to be interesting to see blake play, hopefully he'll do fine. I think orlando isn't going to be good as last year, i'm not really sold on vince carter even though in my opinion he had a greater potential then kobe but his work ethic sucks, he never really fought for becoming what he could have become. only thing im a bit worried of is shaq defending the pick and roll but that wont matter now against orlando since hedo is gone.
What do you think about celtics? think they got a good shot if KG stays healthy? |
Well if everyone is healthy the Celtics are the num1 contender imo, remember they got Rasheed now him and KG will simply dominate both on offense and on defense under the rim, Rasheed can hit threes like a guard as well, their problem is age really it will be a miracle if everyone is healthy when post-season comes. |
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Aug 2009 17:53 Post subject: |
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Lamar Odom will return to the Los Angeles Lakers, according to an NBA source.
Odom will sign a four-year contract, with the fourth year at the Lakers' option.
One source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com the four-year deal is worth $33 million if the Lakers exercise the final year of the contract.
Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak declined comment. Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz, did not return a message immediately.
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So obviously the lakers starting 5 and bench is looking good. maybe 2 titles in a row?
current lakers starting 5:
Fisher
Kobe
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| Razacka2 wrote: | Late but still :
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Lamar Odom will return to the Los Angeles Lakers, according to an NBA source.
Odom will sign a four-year contract, with the fourth year at the Lakers' option.
One source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com the four-year deal is worth $33 million if the Lakers exercise the final year of the contract.
Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak declined comment. Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz, did not return a message immediately.
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So obviously the lakers starting 5 and bench is looking good. maybe 2 titles in a row?
current lakers starting 5:
Fisher
Kobe
Artest
Gasol
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This all depends on if Artest is really what they need. Sure they have Odom, and I'm sure he will come off the bench, but Artest is really the question here. Ariza was a late bloomer, but when he was on, offensive and defense were unstoppable. Artest is a physical foward and he also likes to score. I feel like there will be chaos in LA.
On another note, I wonder what the hell the Celtics are going to do this year. KG, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo, and Wallace. That may be the team to go for it all. They have to stay healthy and Ray Allen really needs to stay out of being in a slump for days...I think the Celtics have one more in them before they all began to die down. |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Aug 2009 16:06 Post subject: |
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| Ashmolly wrote: | | Razacka2 wrote: | Late but still :
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Lamar Odom will return to the Los Angeles Lakers, according to an NBA source.
Odom will sign a four-year contract, with the fourth year at the Lakers' option.
One source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com the four-year deal is worth $33 million if the Lakers exercise the final year of the contract.
Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak declined comment. Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz, did not return a message immediately.
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So obviously the lakers starting 5 and bench is looking good. maybe 2 titles in a row?
current lakers starting 5:
Fisher
Kobe
Artest
Gasol
Bynum |
This all depends on if Artest is really what they need. Sure they have Odom, and I'm sure he will come off the bench, but Artest is really the question here. Ariza was a late bloomer, but when he was on, offensive and defense were unstoppable. Artest is a physical foward and he also likes to score. I feel like there will be chaos in LA.
On another note, I wonder what the hell the Celtics are going to do this year. KG, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo, and Wallace. That may be the team to go for it all. They have to stay healthy and Ray Allen really needs to stay out of being in a slump for days...I think the Celtics have one more in them before they all began to die down. |
Yeah, the Celtics team is going to die but I think they're going to start up nicely again, rebuilding on rajon rondo shouldn't be a problem.
Not much going on in the off-season, we're getting closer and closer to the season as well, can't wait 
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Aug 2009 17:06 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | I'll fathom a guess that the Raptors won't make the playoffs (again) this year  |
They might, Turkoglu is such a diverse player and great in the clutch Magic are not going to have the same success without him, DeRozean is an interesting rookie with a lot of potential, could be something like J.R, Smith, Belinelli isn't bad either. |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Aug 2009 18:40 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | I'll fathom a guess that the Raptors won't make the playoffs (again) this year |
They might, Turkoglu is such a diverse player and great in the clutch Magic are not going to have the same success without him, DeRozean is an interesting rookie with a lot of potential, could be something like J.R, Smith, Belinelli isn't bad either. |
Although I think Turkoglu is a great player, he is not going to have the same impact that he had on Orlando. I think that was one of the mistakes Orlando made was letting Turk dribble. He is extremely slow when compared to other SF he went up against (except for LBJ because that dude is insane). I would love for Chris Bosh and Turk to be contenders, but I think this will be Bosh's last year with the Raptors.
And whats with this new cap bullshit. The best thing I loved about basketball is that big names would come together regardless of money and make a dynasty. We had Bulls, the Jazz (no championships lol), Lakers, Celtics and now next year they are changing the cap. There are way too many big name FAs that will be looking to team up with other big name FAs to create a championship team. |
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^^ yeah, I agree that Bosh is probably going to gtfo of TO if they don't do something this year, and by "something" I mean more than just round 1 of the playoffs.
anyways, we only got one team so I'll support them either way. I love going to games and often winning/losing doesn't matter that much.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Aug 2009 20:13 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | ^^ yeah, I agree that Bosh is probably going to gtfo of TO if they don't do something this year, and by "something" I mean more than just round 1 of the playoffs.
anyways, we only got one team so I'll support them either way. I love going to games and often winning/losing doesn't matter that much. |
They have more pieces than my Bulls
We have Derrick Rose and ....... thats about it. Hopefully we can steal him from you, and maybe scoop up Dwayne Wade! |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Aug 2009 21:14 Post subject: |
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I'm really looking forward to watching spurs play, they're looking really good at the moment.
Also looking forward seeing dejuan blair play, he is such a beast.
What do you think of next years free agent class? I personally think LBJ and wade are gonna do as much as people to play together, maybe for the knicks?
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Aug 2009 22:38 Post subject: |
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| Razacka2 wrote: | I'm really looking forward to watching spurs play, they're looking really good at the moment.
Also looking forward seeing dejuan blair play, he is such a beast.
What do you think of next years free agent class? I personally think LBJ and wade are gonna do as much as people to play together, maybe for the knicks? |
LBJ is gone, regardless of the situation they have now, I just can't see him being with the Cavs much longer.
Bosh, Wade, Ray Allen, etc. I feel like the teams we have been used to seeing for a while are going to switch up. LBJ and Wade on the same squad would be amazing, but both would have to limit their touches, which could be a good and bad thing. I would like to see Bosh and Wade together because thats 2 guys you can build around.
Spurs always have a nice squad, Jefferson is going to be a huge upgrade for them. |
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Leon Powe to Cavaliers
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There were a half-dozen playoff-caliber teams willing to sign Leon Powe and wait for his surgically reconstructed left knee to heal, but the forward who had been such a big hit in Boston ultimately decided he wanted to team up with an old AAU buddy -- LeBron James.
Powe traveled to Cleveland on Tuesday to have his knee examined by Cavaliers team medical personnel and signed a contract Wednesday. The deal was for two years and $1.77 million, a source said.
A source told ESPN.com Tuesday that Powe would sign for the league minimum for players with three years of service -- $855,189. Cleveland will hold a team option for a second season at $915,852.
Powe, who re-tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee during Game 2 of the Celtics' first-round playoff loss to the Chicago Bulls, is not expected to be ready to play until sometime around February.
But if he returns healthy, he will bolster a Cleveland big man rotation that already includes Shaquille O'Neal, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Anderson Varejao along with youngsters Darnell Jackson, J.J. Hickson and Jawad Williams and recently signed Jamario Moon.
The Celtics forfeited their exclusive negotiating rights to Powe when they declined to tender him a contract offer in June. He had spent the past two years sharing time with Glen Davis as the backup power forward behind Kevin Garnett, averaging 7.7 points and 4.9 rebounds last season, and had a huge performance in Game 2 of the 2008 NBA Finals when he scored 21 points in just 15 minutes as the Celtics took a 2-0 lead over the Lakers.
Los Angeles, Portland, Dallas, Orlando and Miami also expressed interest in Powe, whose preference was to remain in the Eastern Conference and to sign with the team most capable of giving him his best shot to exact some revenge on the Celtics after they effectively gave up on him by declining to tender him a qualifying offer.
Powe had a huge game against Cleveland last March 6, going for 20 points on 9-of-11 shooting with 11 rebounds. But he injured his right knee five games later, sat out the next 12 games, then returned for the final two games of the 2008-09 regular season before tearing up his left knee (which had already undergone previous reconstructive surgery) in the playoffs against the Bulls.
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As far as I know he did a great job in the playoffs of 08 and if he can get back to that form he will be a great addition to the cavs bench. Good steal by the cavs.
What do you think?
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Powe to the Cavs bench is awesome to me. Powe isn't exactly an explosive player, but he can be a huge threat when he is healthy. He has a decent post game, and is quick enough (hopefully he still is) to get to the basket for a finesse layup. What the Cavs did wrong this offseason was sign Varejao to a nice contract when the guy is not consistent at all. All he brings is another big body on the floor to get in LBJ's way...
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Aug 2009 16:34 Post subject: |
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| Ashmolly wrote: | | Powe to the Cavs bench is awesome to me. Powe isn't exactly an explosive player, but he can be a huge threat when he is healthy. He has a decent post game, and is quick enough (hopefully he still is) to get to the basket for a finesse layup. What the Cavs did wrong this offseason was sign Varejao to a nice contract when the guy is not consistent at all. All he brings is another big body on the floor to get in LBJ's way... |
He is like a poor mans Odom! |
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Aug 2009 21:16 Post subject: |
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| Ashmolly wrote: | | Powe to the Cavs bench is awesome to me. Powe isn't exactly an explosive player, but he can be a huge threat when he is healthy. He has a decent post game, and is quick enough (hopefully he still is) to get to the basket for a finesse layup. What the Cavs did wrong this offseason was sign Varejao to a nice contract when the guy is not consistent at all. All he brings is another big body on the floor to get in LBJ's way... |
Yeah indeed, might have just been a desperate move to lock a player down for the PF position, varejao is not a starting 5 player, he is a bench player who just brings a lot of energy. Think we'll see more signings by the cavs ?
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Guess we are going to have to wait to see about this salary cap nonsense. Lol they could always pick up Iverson if no one else has.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Aug 2009 14:13 Post subject: |
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| Ashmolly wrote: | | Guess we are going to have to wait to see about this salary cap nonsense. Lol they could always pick up Iverson if no one else has. |
no thanks, iverson is the cancer and we already got delonte and mo. Truthfully i'd rather see iverson rot in Greece or something.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 15:20 Post subject: |
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| Razacka2 wrote: | | Ashmolly wrote: | | Guess we are going to have to wait to see about this salary cap nonsense. Lol they could always pick up Iverson if no one else has. |
no thanks, iverson is the cancer and we already got delonte and mo. Truthfully i'd rather see iverson rot in Greece or something. |
Problem is that he needs to get touches, or he won't play at all. Sadly, a small ass SG like him needs to learn the fundamentals of basketball and play as a damn PG and work on setting up an offense instead of jacking up the ball every chance he gets... |
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 16:08 Post subject: |
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| Ashmolly wrote: | | Razacka2 wrote: | | Ashmolly wrote: | | Guess we are going to have to wait to see about this salary cap nonsense. Lol they could always pick up Iverson if no one else has. |
no thanks, iverson is the cancer and we already got delonte and mo. Truthfully i'd rather see iverson rot in Greece or something. |
Problem is that he needs to get touches, or he won't play at all. Sadly, a small ass SG like him needs to learn the fundamentals of basketball and play as a damn PG and work on setting up an offense instead of jacking up the ball every chance he gets... |
Well yeah that is true but iversons attitude is not exactly like a saints. Also you're right about the touches, even if he played as PG I'd still think he'd try to play more of a SG and scorer. we already got lebron as someone who needs to touch the ball all the time and with shaq coming in i just cant see him smelting in with the cavs. maybe if he was ready to take the bench and come off as an energy SG player I'd consider taking him in. But yeah, iverson is never going to accept his position, he still thinks that he is able to play in prime mode to carry a team to post season semi finals. it's time for him to realise that if he wants to get a nba championship he is gonna have to give up his spot as a starting to enforcing the bench of a team.
just my thoughts.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 16:20 Post subject: |
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| Razacka2 wrote: | | Ashmolly wrote: | | Razacka2 wrote: |
no thanks, iverson is the cancer and we already got delonte and mo. Truthfully i'd rather see iverson rot in Greece or something. |
Problem is that he needs to get touches, or he won't play at all. Sadly, a small ass SG like him needs to learn the fundamentals of basketball and play as a damn PG and work on setting up an offense instead of jacking up the ball every chance he gets... |
Well yeah that is true but iversons attitude is not exactly like a saints. Also you're right about the touches, even if he played as PG I'd still think he'd try to play more of a SG and scorer. we already got lebron as someone who needs to touch the ball all the time and with shaq coming in i just cant see him smelting in with the cavs. maybe if he was ready to take the bench and come off as an energy SG player I'd consider taking him in. But yeah, iverson is never going to accept his position, he still thinks that he is able to play in prime mode to carry a team to post season semi finals. it's time for him to realise that if he wants to get a nba championship he is gonna have to give up his spot as a starting to enforcing the bench of a team.
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You are right, against a B squad, Iverson would own them and still have the opportunity to drop 20-25 pts a night. He still is a threat, dont get me wrong, but his days as a starter have dried up and he needs to humble himself and take advantage of a championship caliber team and win a ring. Nothing like not having a ring and several NBA scoring titles. |
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 18:09 Post subject: |
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| Razacka2 wrote: | Looking at the cavs roster now i'm really astonished, it's the definitely the deepest rotation this upcoming season. They've lost no players but added more and fixed their mismatch problem and hopefully learned a lesson from the ECF. I'm thinking about 65 wins minimum this season and hopefully a healthy shaq for the playoffs.
currently hoping for KG to get injured, vince being a flop and dwight sucking more at his post game  gief cavs 2009-2010 champs. |
They better win it, they are going to need it to keep LBJ. Only thing I don't like about the Cavs is over paying Varejao. Other than that they did good in the offseason. KG is going to come back, and still be a beast, and with their current line up, they will do some heavy dmg. Orlando on the other hand is a hit or miss deal. VC is not that good to me, he is going to have to prove that he can pull this off. Dwight is going to get his against less dominate Centers no matter what because he is young and a lot faster. You double him or get him in the post with someone that can toss him around, and he is a non factor. Orlando lost a huge amount of depth, including the loss of C. Lee, who was a monster. Orlando is going to be in the middle somewhere being quiet until the post season. |
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 15:42 Post subject: |
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| Ashmolly wrote: | | Razacka2 wrote: | Looking at the cavs roster now i'm really astonished, it's the definitely the deepest rotation this upcoming season. They've lost no players but added more and fixed their mismatch problem and hopefully learned a lesson from the ECF. I'm thinking about 65 wins minimum this season and hopefully a healthy shaq for the playoffs.
currently hoping for KG to get injured, vince being a flop and dwight sucking more at his post game gief cavs 2009-2010 champs. |
They better win it, they are going to need it to keep LBJ. Only thing I don't like about the Cavs is over paying Varejao. Other than that they did good in the offseason. KG is going to come back, and still be a beast, and with their current line up, they will do some heavy dmg. Orlando on the other hand is a hit or miss deal. VC is not that good to me, he is going to have to prove that he can pull this off. Dwight is going to get his against less dominate Centers no matter what because he is young and a lot faster. You double him or get him in the post with someone that can toss him around, and he is a non factor. Orlando lost a huge amount of depth, including the loss of C. Lee, who was a monster. Orlando is going to be in the middle somewhere being quiet until the post season. |
Yeah, overpaying varejao was a really big mistake, though going to be interesting to see how they fix the center position after this upcoming season, shaq and ilgauskas are too old and with dwight developing, eventually they'll get hammered in the post by the magic. if hakeem thabet doesn't turn out to be a flop but a average contender all-star i think he'd do quite well with the cavs. Also yeah, VC might be a big mistake or a big success, i think he won't be "it" for the magic to pull through this season. VC definitely had more potential then kobe bryant but not the work ethic which has made him the player he is today. I seriously hope cavs hire a new assisting coach in the offense, mike brown is really shit in that area and i dont want to see lebron ball, they're gonna have to use the depth which they've established this off-season to play more on the perimeter and so on.
what do you think about mike brown though? Think the cavs should replace them if they win this upcoming season? Too keep lebron happy and get a second title in a row.
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 20:34 Post subject: |
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Mike Brown gets the job done, and has been for a while. I honestly think he can coach prospects like LBJ, but if he lost him, he would lose his job. He has quite the resume taking the deep into the playoffs, but without a ring, he wont last long. They need to bring someone thats going to allow them to use depth instead of the LBJ show we are used to seeing. Only problem I see with the Cavs is Shaq and LBJ in the paint. Shaq doesnt do a lot of moving nowadays. And LBJ has one of the quickest first steps in the NBA, and he needs the lane to be cleared. If he can't finish (which rarely happens) he can kick it out to Ilgauskas for a mid range J. Shaq can't shoot, this will be a problem, small, but still a problem.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Aug 2009 14:21 Post subject: |
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| Ashmolly wrote: | | Mike Brown gets the job done, and has been for a while. I honestly think he can coach prospects like LBJ, but if he lost him, he would lose his job. He has quite the resume taking the deep into the playoffs, but without a ring, he wont last long. They need to bring someone thats going to allow them to use depth instead of the LBJ show we are used to seeing. Only problem I see with the Cavs is Shaq and LBJ in the paint. Shaq doesnt do a lot of moving nowadays. And LBJ has one of the quickest first steps in the NBA, and he needs the lane to be cleared. If he can't finish (which rarely happens) he can kick it out to Ilgauskas for a mid range J. Shaq can't shoot, this will be a problem, small, but still a problem. |
Yeah indeed, judging by the last year of shaq it's looking like a problem on paper. however you never know, i think shaq needs to work on his conditioning and starting to play a lot more smart allowing LBJ to continue his going to the rim without a problem. maybe we'll see a change in LBJ as well? more long range shots and playing a lot more at the perimeter? after all it doesnt matter if you put lbj on the 4th or 2nd, it's still gonna be LBJ ball where he puts up 50 points.
Do you think that maybe the right move would have been to ditch varejao and play LBJ/leon on PF and jamario/ somebody else on SF. it just seems like such a waste to keep jamario on the bench.
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Jamario is decent and very athletic, it will be a waste. I think thats one of the reasons I'm so pissed about them giving Varejao so much money because they have what they needed without him. Picking up Powe was a good choice if he stays healthy. He is already a vet, and knows what to do in the season and post season. Jamario will be a waste of talent if he is not played.
Also what the hell is New York doing. I mean I know they want a chance at LBJ next year, but man, they have cleared so much cap space and they aren't going to have enough good players to even play ball with. I really hope they know what they are doing because if Lebron signs with the Cavs again, they are screwed. If they bomb this season, they can pick up a low number draft pick and sign someone really good.
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Iverson is off the market.....yeah him and zach randolph, lets see who gets the most touches
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