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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 12:10 Post subject: |
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Sabin, dude, screw AA. Just play on your native resolution, what monitor do you have ?
I have a samsung 22" and play at the native 1680x1050 and it's very crisp, I don't need AA. So I can ramp up all the other settings.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 12:17 Post subject: |
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| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: |
Looks like your trying to look for an excuse to upgrade. 
Sorry for breaking it down but I still believe nothing is legitimately taxing besides Crysis. The other games that currently run like shit under DX10 or via a bad port don't scale well at all exposing the real issue which isn't sub par GPU's. |
And you're just looking for an excuse to stop me
YaY! You play all your games with eleventy billion FPS at 1920 (which I don't believe, sorry) while my machine is struggling at 1280. Good for you, I'm glad everything is running great for you. It's not for me. Thus; upgrade.
Red Faction: chugs and stutters and dies during physics/explosions. Good for you that you run it buttery smooth on 2560x1900. YaY!
Resident Evil: Flawless in DX9, stuttery hell after the first two misisons (basically any time after 2-1) in DX10.
Shift: I agree with, reviewers are claiming poor drivers are the reason for lacklustre performance.
GTA4: Hence the upgrade 
Crysis: I've seen benchmarks and reviews and videos saying otherwise, especially at low resolutions like 1024 and 1280.
Tropico: I'll try it, thanks. Though I don't expect wonders.
Fallout 3: Is a stuttery, horrible, mess now. Constantly chugging and having framerate loss.
CoJ2 isn't DX10.
Ghostbusters: Nope, tried 9.9s. Still horrific performance.
STALKER CS: See "Crysis" breakdown.
My whole point is, which you didn't answer, is that WHY do I get lame performance on games at 1280, while you - and many others with weaker cards than us - claim to be getting BETTER performance at high resolutions like 1920? I either call ballshit, or the 4870 isn't as powerful as people made out.
@VGA
19" BenQ flatpanel, native res of 1280 -- and again; if I'm getting poor performance in 1280, why the fucking hell would I want to punish myself by going to 1680?
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| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: |
And if you want some benchmarks with a single HD4870 running some of these games you mentioned I'll show you.  |
And that's just my point! I *did* see all those benchmarks, which is why I bought the bloody card in the first place. What I'm *not* seeing is similar performance, nowhere near it.
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Veki
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Location: Croatia
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 12:59 Post subject: |
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Sabin, what are your PC specs?
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 13:08 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 13:12 Post subject: |
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| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: |
Can you do me a favor and run your RE5 benchmark in whatever mode and post your results. I want to compare to mine just to verify.
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I've got a bunch. Here ya go;
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Have a ball. If my games ran perfectly all the time, I wouldn't care, but they don't. They chug randomly for absolute no reason that I can discern.
As for the chugging? If I knew, I'd be able to sort it out .. but I really don't. It doesn't happen on EVERY game, only high-end titles - and it's started doing it more often. SF4 used to run flawless, never an issue, now sometimes it stutters and pause - frames dropping down to 15fps for a sec seconds, then shooting back up to 60.
@Veki
E7200 @ 3.6Ghz, 4GB OCZ Platinum at 1.1Ghz, XFX Radeon 4870-1GB XXX @ 800Mhz.
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YOU'VE GOT A FUCKING QUAD!! YOU'RE SITTING THERE LECTURING ME ABOUT FUCKING STANDARDS, LORDING OVER YOUR 1920X1080 PERFORMANCE AND YOU'VE GOT A FUCKING *PAIR* OF 4870s AND A FUCKING QUAD!?
There's no goddamn comparison here!
Gaaaah.
"They run fine for me You need to lower your standards Oh and did I mention? I've got a Quad and a PAIR of your cards? "
Yeah, you can run your games at 1920. No shit, Sherlock. If I had your spec, I could run at that res too As for how I'm struggling to run RE5? I'm not. Not in DX9 mode, where it locks at 75fps at all times with 2xAA. DX10 mode is fine for the first chapter, then as soon as I hit 2-1, it starts stuttering.
As to why I should lower my standards? I have a DX10 OS and a DX10 card. I want to run in DX10, if the option is there. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 13:28 Post subject: |
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there is something wrong with the RFG screenshots sabin for sure, that looks pants mate.. Something seriously ill looking about those images of that game... its almost blury/double vision jagfest....
wonder why?
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 13:30 Post subject: |
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They were action-shots, taken while the buildings were crumbling - the game uses mblur so it blurs the screen whilst they crumble. Aliasing? Yeah, it's fucked - same as Shift and Batman. Couldn't get AA to work on either of those games.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 13:33 Post subject: |
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I get AA to work in RFG matey.. hmm wonder what that is.. I just dont play it because I dispise slow down on the building destruction shite..
On the image complaint I had, ignore me lol, im still working on this shitty laptop here and didnt realise it made me use shift-R to increase image quality on screen for each image lol..
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 13:36 Post subject: |
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@Moose
I know there's something wrong with my comp at the moment, I just don't know what - and without replacement hardware to test, I can't be sure either. I'll find out in a few months when I do my platform upgrade 
| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: |
I really think you have no idea what you're talking about which is obvious based on your understanding of the games your playing. You are blaming stuttering on a GPU |
Insults now? I know exactly what I'm talking about, you're just being a cunt about it in an effort to make yourself seem bigger. Good for you. I never had this stuttering bullshit on my old 8800, nor even my 4850.
Seriously, GTFO. I've had enough of listening to your posturing. I honestly thought you were trying to help, but instead you're just using my issues as a way to make yourself seem better "Hehehe, you can't run that game? I can! Perfectly! hehehe! "
I've said, many times, that something is wrong somewhere - especially if people are claiming to be getting superior performance on POS 8800s, then you come along and claim better performance at 1920 than I got at 1280 -- which then turns out to be because of a PAIR of mine and a Quad.
So yeah, thanks for nothing. I'll fix my issues myself.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 13:54 Post subject: |
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Have you tried returning your poor CPU to stock ? Also, have you clusterfucked the BIOS settings (voltage,etc.) for this overclocking ?
Test getting back to stock.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 14:00 Post subject: |
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Yes, I also believe it can possibly have something to do with his OC. My E8400 at 4Ghz started causing games to stutter after 6 months of sitting at that clock setting. Couldn't take it anymore after extended use and heat. Could also be the memory.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 14:05 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | Have you tried returning your poor CPU to stock ? Also, have you clusterfucked the BIOS settings (voltage,etc.) for this overclocking ?
Test getting back to stock. |
It was at 3Ghz (only a 400Mhz increase over stock) a few weeks ago, I only pushed it back up when the summer started fading out. Temps and volts are absolutely rock-solid, with 1.2v and 35-38c idle and 53c full load, cooled by a Noctua NH-U12P.
I haven't tried switching out the memory because I don't have any extra to spare, and really can't afford to "chance it" by buying some new.
I'll drop to stock, but I honestly don't see how a 1Ghz speed drop is going to *help* performance, heh.
@Krazy
Yes, you - and everyone else - is full of SHIT. There's no fucking way an 8800 is playing the latest games at 1920x1200/1080. Say what you want, it's bullshit and you fucking know it.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 14:18 Post subject: |
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Nobody said anything about anything less than a 8800GTX (Slightly slower than a 4850) playing games maxed out at 1920x1200 except for forum noobs. My initial comment was nothing more than a 4870/90 or 280/85 being necessary at this point in time unless you are at 2560x1600 WITH AA and I still stand by that. I'm not full of shit as I demo'd for you briefly.
Goodluck man.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 14:22 Post subject: |
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| KrAzY-KaMeL wrote: |
Goodluck man. |
Thank you.
As I've said, repeatedly, I know something is wrong somewhere - but I just don't know what. I was planning an upgrade anyway, as I've never exactly been blown away by this card as it was originally indicated. If I'm getting such lousy performance now at 1280, it can only get considerably - and drastically - worse at higher resolutions.
I guess I'll find out in a couple months.
Anyway, took all the clocking off. Going to run some tests now.
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Well that was fun. RFG, RE5, Shift ... everything... massive performance loss by removing the clocking. RFG drops down to mid 30s, Shift doesn't break 30s unless there's no other cars around, RE5 settles in the 50s.
I'd love to say it was worth it, but sadly it wasn't. RFG still stutters to fuck, RE5 stutters, Shift stutters in menus and occasional hitches during racing.
That's it, I completely and totally give up. Back to my PS2, for me. At least that works.
Thanks guys.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 15:21 Post subject: |
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Yeah man if you're getting horrendous performance during what sounds like CPU heavy instances (Cars/AI in GRID) then It's safe to say your CPU is choking. I'd love to see the difference if any when you get a new CPU.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 15:39 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Shift stutters in menus |
i get stutter when in the spinning car menu area on shift, its not always bad but its not a smooth rotation most the time.. Ive seen this on alot of peoples vids etc. whats strikes me odd is that games like say grid, when changing cars is instant, where with shift you have to wait for that load cycle each time..
cars are nice in shift but heck they are just as good exterior wise in grid....
I was watching an i7 vid on shift and the loading time cycles even with a good card albeit nvidia was still taking same amount of time to get into a race once selecting to start. I found that odd as well. |
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Sep 2009 17:52 Post subject: |
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you can loose 50% data stream on a 1.1 bus compared to 2.0 or whatever it is now.. I know ive done the bench testing on data passing.. compared it to others with same specs and diff bus and they were doubling my returns to the cpu instruction..
one way was good returning data was not so good.. you would be suprised of the diff really you would
so its pretty evident to me when i did that, that some stuttering and pausing can be a problem with 1:1 data flow.. but that will only be evident when a game is hungry for lots of data moving..
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Sep 2009 05:21 Post subject: |
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I'm not sure if that would be an issue at 1280x1024. I did see significant gains in my crossfire setup going from 2/1.1 slots to 2/2.0 slots but that's mainly because of the huge bandwidth requirements of 2 cards and my resolution.
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Sep 2009 06:38 Post subject: |
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Sep 2009 12:22 Post subject: |
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Veki
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Sep 2009 12:38 Post subject: |
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422.html
And another benchmark. This one has Crossfire HD 5870 and SLI GTX 285 as well.
Very nice to see almost double performance from Crossfire vs single HD 5870.
Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
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