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 Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 03:23 Post subject: |
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What exactly was bad about the article ? I stick with the facts.
For example, I didn't know Intel owned Havok ! Also, CUDA rocks, or what ?
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 03:25 Post subject: |
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The tone was what was wrong.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 03:29 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | What exactly was bad about the article ? I stick with the facts.
For example, I didn't know Intel owned Havok ! Also, CUDA rocks, or what ? |
The article didn't suck ATI's dick that's what was "bad" about it 
About CUDA, yeah it's pretty amazing. Not only you can use CUDA to accelerate HD video and offload CPU usage, but also you can crack passwords using CUDA
http://bvernoux.free.fr/md5/index.php
Cracking passwords with your video card, is it awesome or what? 
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 03:40 Post subject: |
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CUDA's API = OpenCL = DirectCompute = Allow GPGPU.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 03:46 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | What exactly was bad about the article ? I stick with the facts.
For example, I didn't know Intel owned Havok ! Also, CUDA rocks, or what ? |
intel and nvidia were smart enough (or simply had the money) to buy these two physics companies to shape the future as they liked.
BTW logic says that even if AMD decides to buy a licence or whatever, intel won't let them have GPU accelerated physics before they release their own graphics card, Larrabee.
The agreement between Havok and AMD was always first and foremost to make Havok physics run great on multicore CPUs and then to see if and how they can accelerate them via GPU. So I'm not so surprised that AMD hasn't bought a licence for GPU, because it was never 100% fact that it will become a reality.
It also explains why AMD recently started talking about Bullet physics, etc instead of Havok.
And then like you peoples were all like, "YOU IS TROLLIN!" and I was like "I AM NOT TROLLING!! I AM guess_who_kthxbai YOU SEE! Mm!"
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 03:57 Post subject: |
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You know, as much as not popular what the ATI dude said, he has a point - eventually for GPU accelerated physics engines to become mainstream, a standard has to be introduced (this is what OpenCL and DirectCompute are for), especially now that a third major competitor is to be introduced.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 04:00 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 04:01 Post subject: |
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Well, from my limited understanding I guess that whatever runs on OpenCL is fine for all platforms, right ?
So, we don't need a standard physics engine, we only need OpenCL implementations for any one of them. Well, except PhysX I guess, lol, that's exclusive to NV.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 04:03 Post subject: |
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Well, if nVidia were to properly play, and wanted domination, they could open it up to OpenCL (or DirectCompute, but that's less "standard" - only on Windows). But they probably won't do it. So my guess is the first one to do a good job at using OpenCL for his physics engine, and it's powerful enough, and easy enough to use, could win the jackpot (like Havok did back in the day).
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 15:00 Post subject: |
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nvidia's response to amd's claims that nvidia is locking out features in games (such as AA on Batman):
A representative of AMD recently claimed that NVIDIA interfered with anti-aliasing (AA) support for Batman: Arkham Asylum on AMD cards. They also claimed that NVIDIA’s The Way It’s Meant to be Played Program prevents AMD from working with developers for those games.
Both of these claims are NOT true. Batman is based on Unreal Engine 3, which does not natively support anti-aliasing. We worked closely with Eidos to add AA and QA the feature on GeForce. Nothing prevented AMD from doing the same thing.
Games in The Way It’s Meant to be Played are not exclusive to NVIDIA. AMD can also contact developers and work with them.
We are proud of the work we do in The Way It’s Meant to be Played. We work hard to deliver kickass, game-changing features in PC games like PhysX, AA, and 3D Vision for games like Batman. If AMD wants to deliver innovation for PC games then we encourage them to roll up their sleeves and do the same.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=235601
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 15:12 Post subject: |
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Aren't "The Way It’s Meant to be Played" games 'exclusive' to Nvidia? I thought Nvidia paid those companies money and/or made their expertise available, to have an advantage with drivers and such. Or can AMD just join the party when dev x and Nvidia are playing together?
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 15:20 Post subject: |
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When you agree to make your game part of TWIMTBP program:
1) nvidia gives you hardware (even beta hardware that's not out yet)
2) sends 3-4 guys to help you with the code and testing
3) you agree to market that nvidia works best with your game in press releases etc, and nvidia to say that your game is innovative etc.
No money changes hands and it doesn't stop competitors contacting you to help you with the game.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 16:49 Post subject: |
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Yeah, but god forbid should cheap ATI/AMD shell some cash to improve their users' experience. 
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 18:06 Post subject: |
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hey guys i just installed the game but when i try to open the game it gives me a Error called "SecuLauncher. Failes to start aplication" [9000] has anyone got this Error?
Thanks
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 18:10 Post subject: |
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| GolfTDI wrote: | hey guys i just installed the game but when i try to open the game it gives me a Error called "SecuLauncher. Failes to start aplication" [9000] has anyone got this Error?
Thanks |
use topic search function.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 18:12 Post subject: |
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| GolfTDI wrote: | hey guys i just installed the game but when i try to open the game it gives me a Error called "SecuLauncher. Failes to start aplication" [9000] has anyone got this Error?
Thanks |
a very large handful of people did actually, even me, top of this thread theres a search box, use that and it'll search through this topic |
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 18:15 Post subject: |
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http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=119484&enterthread=y
Heh...
"Batman: Arkham Asylum
In this game, Nvidia has an in-game option for AA, whereas, gamers using ATI Graphics Cards are required to force AA on in the Catalyst Control Center.
The advantage of in-game AA is that the engine can run AA selectively on scenes whereas Forced AA in CCC is required to use brute force to apply AA on every scene and object, requiring much more work.
Additionally, the in-game AA option was removed when ATI cards are detected. We were able to confirm this by changing the ids of ATI graphics cards in the Batman demo. By tricking the application, we were able to get in-game AA option where our performance was significantly enhanced. This option is not available for the retail game as there is a secure rom."
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 18:20 Post subject: |
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They changed the id reported by the video card so the game thought it was an Nvidia card. Doing so enabled AA and increased performance. This proves that it's not a problem with the card, but with the devs collaborating with Nvidia to artifically 'enhance' performance on TWIMTPB titles.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 18:22 Post subject: |
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Yeah, and why does it say that they couldn't do the same in the retail because it's protected ?
And maybe enabling AA on ATI cards results in the oh-so-aawesome gfx glitches ATI drivers are known for, whereas the NV cards were tested because NV sent them a bunch of them, lol.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 18:37 Post subject: |
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| rhagz wrote: | | They changed the id reported by the video card so the game thought it was an Nvidia card. Doing so enabled AA and increased performance. This proves that it's not a problem with the card, but with the devs collaborating with Nvidia to artifically 'enhance' performance on TWIMTPB titles. |
There's been plenty of physical evidence to suggest that developers are artificially locking features and/or crippling performance on non-nVidia cards, but as soon as you suggest that -- the nV fanboys throw a bitchfit.
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 19:51 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | There's been plenty of physical evidence to suggest that developers are artificially locking features and/or crippling performance on non-nVidia cards, but as soon as you suggest that -- the nV fanboys throw a bitchfit. |
Okay, so I've had ONLY nVs in my whole life and I'm fine with that, but people bitching over AMD, which is currently prospering much better than nV in terms of GPUs, just because some baka developers decided to stick with The Way This Shit To Be Played is simply outrageous. I sincerely hate fanboyism (is it even a word?) and in most cases those people can't even justify their opinion. It's almost always like this: 'I hate radeons because they're bad because I hate them, because a friend of a friend of mine said they're bad'.
On the side, Rocksteady really shot their own foot by messing up with AMD this much. The frightening percentage of GPUs are now HDs 48xx.
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