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JBeckman
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The DLC's add to the main story, "Stone Prisoner" is a companion that'll last trough the entire game but with his own areas to explore and new equipment (Plus achievements.) Wardens Keep is kinda a house but again with a lot of new content.
(Based on the EA Store "Digital Download Deluxe Edition" descriptions of the extra content.)
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http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/60786
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 20:04 Post subject: |
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[quote="couleur"]Thanks for the info. I really dont get why they would release part of the game (companion& area & equipment & more) as DLC besides marketing. Most people will buy this DLC anyway.
It's almost like buying only part of a game then paying again for the rest. (even if it's only 7$)
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Think hard .... you can make morons pay full price for ur product and then rip em off with dlc and the sheep will gladly throw money ur way. Wouldnt you do the same ?
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 20:32 Post subject: |
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[quote="Blackclaw"][quote="couleur"]Thanks for the info. I really dont get why they would release part of the game (companion& area & equipment & more) as DLC besides marketing. Most people will buy this DLC anyway.
It's almost like buying only part of a game then paying again for the rest. (even if it's only 7$)
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Think hard .... you can make morons pay full price for ur product and then rip em off with dlc and the sheep will gladly throw money ur way. Wouldnt you do the same ? |
This is why some people will be even more inclined to pirate the game. And I expect the same crap will happen with Mass Effect 2.
Last Game I bought was Risen. At least there you got what you paid for.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:30 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:44 Post subject: |
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NWN2 looked like shit and played like shit. The Witcher played a lot better on my PC and actually looked awesome !
Not to mention it's 10 times a better RPG than NWN2, but that's offtopic.
On-topic, I think they should just make us inout our paypal account to activate online each time we launch the game, and then they can charge us by the hour. Money whores shifting the attention from the game to the different editions and DLC available.
GTFO, we just want to pay normal price and have the game 100%, is that too much to ask for ?
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:51 Post subject: |
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I'm a abit confused. I thought the DLC's were free to download for buyers, as some kind of pirate proofing. So the DLC's are being sold seperately?
| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | NWN2 looked like shit and played like shit. The Witcher played a lot better on my PC and actually looked awesome ! |
NWN2 ran fine if you didn't use the super high res shadows.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:52 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I'm a abit confused. I thought the DLC's were free to download for buyers, as some kind of pirate proofing. So the DLC's are being sold seperately? |
Two DLC packs are free for first-time-buyers (nobody knows yet how this works, either a download or a registration code) and there's a third, called Warden's Keep, that costs money.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:57 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I'm a abit confused. I thought the DLC's were free to download for buyers, as some kind of pirate proofing. So the DLC's are being sold seperately? |
be amazed:
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 22:02 Post subject: |
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Strange, this is the weirdest sales tactic I've seen in gaming yet. What do they exepct? People will purchase all copies and collect them? WTF? Yes it's only small items, but it's the thought that bitchslaps us. This makes zero sense. EA has surely shown it's true face again after the "we'll really change now" BS. I liked nothng about the marketing campaign, I don't like this either.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 22:05 Post subject: |
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 22:11 Post subject: |
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so i d have to pre-order from five different companies and at least buy two different versions of the game to get all the extra content that comes with the game??? double-you tee effin eff????
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locke89
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 23:19 Post subject: |
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| locke89 wrote: | | jesus, it's whole 7 bucks and no one is forcing you to buy it. |
"Breaking News! Dragon Age Origins to be split into episodes. Public feedback has suggested that episodic splitting of our triple A titles is acceptable. Don't worry, you get a whole 10hrs of gameplay from each episode, and automatic downloading will be built into each episode! All you need is your PayPal or CC details (VISA, Mastercard and American Express accepted) and the software will automatically purchase and download each new episode as it arrives!"
You can stick your head in the sand all you want, my friend... this is only the beginning. DLC has been getting worse and worse ever since it's inception, because braindead fools just accept it and - obviously by the looks of things- embrace it.
The above is satire, but Microsoft are already starting to employ such methods -- with the release of Fable 2 on XBLA. That has been split into episodic format and, like any good drug-dealer, is offering the first episode for free. All subsequent episodes will be "pay for" and with no indication of how long each episode is, or how much it's going to cost.
Like that? Congratulations! you, and others like you, have created it. Thanks<!>
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 00:08 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | locke89 wrote: | | jesus, it's whole 7 bucks and no one is forcing you to buy it. |
"Breaking News! Dragon Age Origins to be split into episodes. Public feedback has suggested that episodic splitting of our triple A titles is acceptable. Don't worry, you get a whole 10hrs of gameplay from each episode, and automatic downloading will be built into each episode! All you need is your PayPal or CC details (VISA, Mastercard and American Express accepted) and the software will automatically purchase and download each new episode as it arrives!"
You can stick your head in the sand all you want, my friend... this is only the beginning. DLC has been getting worse and worse ever since it's inception, because braindead fools just accept it and - obviously by the looks of things- embrace it.
The above is satire, but Microsoft are already starting to employ such methods -- with the release of Fable 2 on XBLA. That has been split into episodic format and, like any good drug-dealer, is offering the first episode for free. All subsequent episodes will be "pay for" and with no indication of how long each episode is, or how much it's going to cost.
Like that? Congratulations! you, and others like you, have created it. Thanks<!> |
i share your hate for DLC (well maybe except the additional campaigns rockstar are doing for gta4, certain well done map packs or fallout 3 DLC), but what's the problem with episodes?
you either pay 60 bucks for the whole game or let's say there are 6 episodes and you pay 10 bucks per ep.
a) game is good, play (and pay for) the rest
b) game is crap, waste the money you've saved on somethign else
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 00:27 Post subject: |
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| bushwacka wrote: |
i share your hate for DLC (well maybe except the additional campaigns rockstar are doing for gta4, certain well done map packs or fallout 3 DLC), but what's the problem with episodes?
you either pay 60 bucks for the whole game or let's say there are 6 episodes and you pay 10 bucks per ep.
a) game is good, play (and pay for) the rest
b) game is crap, waste the money you've saved on somethign else |
Aww man, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not one of those "Hate DLC!!! ZOMG!!" bandits. Seriously! I *love* DLC when it's done right, when it adds longevity and replayability to a game. Stuff like DLC for FO3/Oblivion/Morrowind/etc, I love that! GTA4? Gimme! Love it! But what BioEA are proposing now isn't DLC, not in the same way... it's content that fits with the rest of the game, being charged for and released at the same time as retail.
That, in my honest opinion, isn't adding longevity or replayability - it's adding content that people are going to assume should have been in the game originally.
If it had been released a couple months later, then that's different. It's after-sales support and something to keep a game going, but it's not - it's just another way to fleece money out of the customer. Christ, to even GET all the extra content; you have to buy 5-7 copies of the game!  DLC is the death of the conventional expansion pack, and that saddens me. Expansion Packs were great, they were things to look forward to, tons of additional content that bridged the gap between initial release and sequel, further prolonging the life of the game in question.
As for my views on episodic content? I don't like paying more for an incomplete game. MS hasn't announced the price of Fable 2 yet, and it's being split into 5 episodes. What if the total sum ends up more than you'd pay for the retail game? That's not out of the realms of possibility .. and if the game sells this way, what's to say that we won't start getting other full games released like this? For all I know, each episode could be 400 or 600MSP, which works out at less than $7 per episode -- but in all honesty, I'm expecting 1200-1600MSP - and that's going to end up extremely costly.
Not to mention that if/when you buy an episode, there's no guarantee the game will ever be finished (ala; SiN and Half-Life 2)
Still, that's just a minor gripe - and I'll adjust my views accordingly once MS announces the price-per-episode for Fable 2. My main annoyance is with launch-day (or original-cut) "downloadable content" --- with Capcom/EA really taking the piss with it all. RE5 had all the DLC content on the retail disk! Yet they charge for the right to unlock it as DLC. SFIV, same deal with the costumes, they're already in the game - they're just encrypted. What about Sims 3? Missing what, 60? 70? 80% of the content from previous games? For what reason? Money, all thanks to the "want a new sofa? buy it from EA Store!!1" sales method.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 00:46 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | bushwacka wrote: |
i share your hate for DLC (well maybe except the additional campaigns rockstar are doing for gta4, certain well done map packs or fallout 3 DLC), but what's the problem with episodes?
you either pay 60 bucks for the whole game or let's say there are 6 episodes and you pay 10 bucks per ep.
a) game is good, play (and pay for) the rest
b) game is crap, waste the money you've saved on somethign else |
Aww man, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not one of those "Hate DLC!!! ZOMG!!" bandits. Seriously! I *love* DLC when it's done right, when it adds longevity and replayability to a game. Stuff like DLC for FO3/Oblivion/Morrowind/etc, I love that! GTA4? Gimme! Love it! But what BioEA are proposing now isn't DLC, not in the same way... it's content that fits with the rest of the game, being charged for and released at the same time as retail.
That, in my honest opinion, isn't adding longevity or replayability - it's adding content that people are going to assume should have been in the game originally.
If it had been released a couple months later, then that's different. It's after-sales support and something to keep a game going, but it's not - it's just another way to fleece money out of the customer. Christ, to even GET all the extra content; you have to buy 5-7 copies of the game! DLC is the death of the conventional expansion pack, and that saddens me. Expansion Packs were great, they were things to look forward to, tons of additional content that bridged the gap between initial release and sequel, further prolonging the life of the game in question. |
little misunderstanding here bud, i should have written "hate for the launch 'DLC' that's already on the disk" 
stuff like for example bethesda did for oblivion, albeit small things, was 100% alright imo. what capcom or EA does isn't. just to clarify things.
| Quote: | As for my views on episodic content? I don't like paying more for an incomplete game. MS hasn't announced the price of Fable 2 yet, and it's being split into 5 episodes. What if the total sum ends up more than you'd pay for the retail game? That's not out of the realms of possibility .. and if the game sells this way, what's to say that we won't start getting other full games released like this? For all I know, each episode could be 400 or 600MSP, which works out at less than $7 per episode -- but in all honesty, I'm expecting 1200-1600MSP - and that's going to end up extremely costly.
Not to mention that if/when you buy an episode, there's no guarantee the game will ever be finished (ala; SiN and Half-Life 2) |
fable 2 episodes will fail anyway. why? because you can get it for cheap on a real disc (one that also isn't tied to your account, one that you can lend to friends or sell it afterwards).
and for episodes not being continued, i disagree. SiN was quite shitty anyway imo and valve would be stupid not to milk the HL2 cow to the end. other episode based games like those from telltale worked out well too. plus if it's a full game that's already done and only being split up afterwards, the problem of not being continued isn't there. on the other hand, episode based games sometimes are the only way for dev studio startups to get their foot in the door.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 00:51 Post subject: |
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Bottom line is I see the same arguments every time against DLC, no matter when it comes. There are people who think Fallout 3 or Oblivion or GTA 4 were 'unfinished games' that had content ripped out to sell for more money.
Anyone with half a fucking clue knows this is not the case, and it's not the case with Dragon Age.
Dragon Age has been content complete for a while. A whole separate team works on DLC. The game you will buy will be a full and complete game and any DLC you may get will be additional content, not original content that finishes the original game.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 01:09 Post subject: |
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| bushwacka wrote: |
little misunderstanding here bud, i should have written "hate for the launch 'DLC' that's already on the disk"
stuff like for example bethesda did for oblivion, albeit small things, was 100% alright imo. what capcom or EA does isn't. just to clarify things.
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Ahh, gotcha. Yeah, those are the worst - and even though they're not on-disk (..at least, not that we know yet...) I consider this latest batch of ass-rape from BioEA to be in the same boat. Those who constantly parrot that "EA is doing nothing wrong! Dragon Age is complete! It has been for three years! This is all new content!" are either dead wrong, brain dead, working for EA, or trolling just to laugh at those who balk at these practices.
Day 1 DLC is not "additional content and after-sales support!" - It's consumer rape and only the blind and/or idiotic* refuse to see that.
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fable 2 episodes will fail anyway. why? because you can get it for cheap on a real disc (one that also isn't tied to your account, one that you can lend to friends or sell it afterwards).
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Yep, now. But if this takes off, and I'm willing to bet it will - the braindead muppets who defend the PSPGo and eTailers like Steam/D2D because "it's easier and less hassle to download a game than go buy it from the store, regardless of price hike" are likely to support this - will cause other publishers to see it as a valid way of releasing games ... in parts, with high prices per episode.
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and for episodes not being continued, i disagree. SiN was quite shitty anyway imo and valve would be stupid not to milk the HL2 cow to the end. other episode based games like those from telltale worked out well too. plus if it's a full game that's already done and only being split up afterwards, the problem of not being continued isn't there. on the other hand, episode based games sometimes are the only way for dev studio startups to get their foot in the door. |
Agreed on the last point, at least. Telltale Studios are small, they sell their episodic content cheap and they have, so far, released all needed episodes. But what about other big studios who have "Board of Directors!" style publishers? They'll just see it as a way of maximising profits and be damned with the public outcry. Pfeh, "outcry" Most people are content to just bend over and get ass-raped, without raising a fuss 
*Or they could just honestly accept DLC as it is. Fair play to them, I guess, to each their own -- I just dislike the way the system is going.
/Edited to counterpoint some of the harsh tone of my post.
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Once again, and I still can't believe I have to keep explaining this - defending my views - just because people take offence; I'm a passionate person, opinionated and strong willed yes, but I am passionate about certain subjects. Being ripped off just so happens to be one of them.
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fazlez1
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 03:46 Post subject: |
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I haven't posted in a long time but i had to just to let you know i agree with you Sabin, absolutely and totally. I like DLC if it extends out a game I already enjoy, but it should not happen on the first day even if it's only $1. If they came up with a new idea after the game was done, then wait for the expansion or for part 2. I can understand how they want to motivate people to buy the game by giving them a bonus but to not even give it to the people who buy the collector's edition (who from what i see are the hardest of hardcore) is a total money grab.
They then spread out the bonus items between all the different retailers is dumb beyond all thing stupid. Someone pointed out that the item would probably be discarded during the game, which is true; so why would someone think this ia good marketing idea? To me the whole thing stinks of trying to squeeze as much money out of consumers as possible, which i understand. What i wonder is, when will they realize all they have to do is make a good game, release it at a nice price, with no Stormtrooper-like copy protections? This is what gamers have been asking for for years, yet they don't listen or just don't care.
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 07:05 Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, but everyone on this forum bitches too much. A 40+ hour game for $50 isn't good enough for you? Jesus fucking Christ, most of you are just gonna pirate this shit anyways.
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