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 Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 19:14 Post subject: |
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Its not "the Germans" doing this, its a few parents of the killed kids who just are in need of a simple reason why this happened: killergames. Similar things happened 30 years ago at schools in the USA where kids should bring their weapons to be dumped. Comparing this to nazi burning books is the same crap as the event itself.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 19:19 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 19:20 Post subject: |
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I know I know, but at least if we played there, the idiots they call "football players" here would have a chance of reaching the World Cup. 
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 20:30 Post subject: |
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Poor poor German gamers. Always having to import games unless they like green blood. I don't really have much to add to this thread. Sucks bro.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 21:25 Post subject: |
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| EyePatchLives wrote: | Alon Mizrahi?  |
No idea who plays now. All of them are idiots. All sport people here are incompetent fucks. The ones that succeed do it because they trained for foreign trainers and sport regimes, like USSR, current Russia, Ukraine, etc. The Israeli trainees are godawful. |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 21:59 Post subject: |
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I know, our Football league sucks balls.
"I think Call of Duty resonates because it's believable and relatable," Sledgehammer Games cofounder Michael Condrey says.
Believable and relatable...Yep, sounds like Call of Duty
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 22:11 Post subject: ... |
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Not too sure your reference to Nazi Germany is called for in this particular situation.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 23:00 Post subject: |
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Seeing as he's German he's most like the only one who _can_ make that reference without being called names.
I'm not saying it's a good reference but it's not that far fetched.
Both occurences were meant to keep "dangerous" media from the people.
Blaming videogames as the sole reason is stupid beyond anything.
Just take a look at the name "Killergames" that our nice politicians have given to, well, most FPSs that is.
It's time they realise that censorship never helped anybody. But censoring is the only thing they can think of.
What does that say about politicans when the only thing they can imagine to solve a problem is banning something?
Oops, off topic.
It's possible those parents just use it as a coping mechanism but, seriously? Every objective spectator to this must see that it's just wrong in every aspect.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 23:11 Post subject: |
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Censorship in Germany actually makes sense when you think about it. They are against violence but are fine with nudity and swearing.
Now if you look at USA censorship, they show violence on national TV but there can be no nudity or bad language. They are basically saying that showing a naked titty or swearing is worse than showing humans kill other humans, torture and so on. Messed up priorities.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 23:12 Post subject: |
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Censorship never makes sense.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Oct 2009 23:32 Post subject: |
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| Neon25 wrote: | | Censorship never makes sense. |
This.
Censorship shouldn't be necessary.
There is stuff that shouldn't have been made in the first place.
Strange gore-torture porn and shit like that.
But everything else?
Nobody forces you to watch/play something violent or something that contains nudity, profanity, you name it.
Isn't the real problem that parents aren't checking on what their kids are doing these days?
I've been gaming since I was about 6 and my parents somewhat gave a damn about what I was playing and I turned out all right.
Parents don't seem to give too much a shit about parenting these days anymore...
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 00:22 Post subject: |
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if you're posting on nfohump what does censorship really matter anyway? i mean OP is prolly not affected so why bitch about it, let alone moving
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 00:33 Post subject: |
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| boysetsfire wrote: | | if you're posting on nfohump what does censorship really matter anyway? i mean OP is prolly not affected so why bitch about it, let alone moving |
because, believe it or not, this actually somewhat exemplary for the political climate around here and don't forgot that it's being rumored that behind closed doors our nice politicians are already thinking about censoring the internet.
I mean, yes, it is to keep pedophiles from getting their cp but who isn't conviced that that's just a start to something much more fucked up?
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 00:36 Post subject: |
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Language isn't censored in the US as much as it used to be.. you just don't have people saying 'fuck' on daytime programming. Once it gets late you will hear a lot more than the average hell or damn.
It's not really censored even. I'm sure many have seen the Southpark episode where they said shit 100 times or something, people just don't do it to avoid limiting their target demographics.
There's a big difference in censorship and smart business decisions.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 02:44 Post subject: |
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| Reklis wrote: | There is stuff that shouldn't have been made in the first place.
Strange gore-torture porn and shit like that. |
erm
what's the difference?
any line drawn is arbitrary and meaningless
the content is irrelevant and the point remains
as long as it's not hurting anyone - it's NOT hurting anyone
it's fantasy.. it's not real
we've had abundance of ridiculous gore films since the seventies so it's pretty much proven it doesn't do shit to people's behavior
CP is a seperate issue altogether ofcourse, and has a real and just reason for being illegal
but as long as tcp/ip is around, there's nothing anyone can do to stop it, short of firewalling every single client
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 03:40 Post subject: |
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| Glottis wrote: | Censorship in Germany actually makes sense when you think about it. They are against violence but are fine with nudity and swearing.
Now if you look at USA censorship, they show violence on national TV but there can be no nudity or bad language. They are basically saying that showing a naked titty or swearing is worse than showing humans kill other humans, torture and so on. Messed up priorities. |
there is a simple reason behind this.
In the states, for examples, people have to be "de-sensiblized" about violence. it has to be something "normal" and widely accepted/tolerated. Why ? Because then making stupid, useless, senseless Wars become tolerated, accepted, ignored (?). People think of violence like a everydays normal. in germany its the opposite. The Allies (who control german media till 2099) want germans to be afraid, scared even, of violence. Violence has to be bad, in all of it form. Because they think Germans will bow down and don't start any wars anymore... (in a relative sense, seeing as they didn't really start WW1, but only WW2) anyway, if ever there is a WW3, you can bet your ass Germany will be involved in its outbreaking, simply because they had enough of the BS tht has been done to their country and seriously, who can blame them ?
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 16:18 Post subject: |
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poor germans, being surrounded by weird danes, crazy dutch, euh.. belgians, ze french, swiss ego's, wannebe germans austria and last but not least poland. I would take a plane and leave all that and go to venezuala or something
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 16:23 Post subject: |
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if you want to demonstrate against it, maybe do it in a less childish way? i'm not fond of those developments around censorship either, but throwing it in the same bucket together with atrocities done by the nazis and the church is a bit impious.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 16:28 Post subject: |
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| bushwacka wrote: | | if you want to demonstrate against it, maybe do it in a less childish way? i'm not fond of those developments around censorship either, but throwing it in the same bucket together with atrocities done by the nazis and the church is a bit impious. |
It's not about the damn censorship..
They are gonna dumping games because in their minds the games are to blame for those
massacres. Those people are stupid and ignorant and they deserve nothing less than to be asociated with this nazi actions.
I repeat, this isn't about the censorship in germany.
We gamers here in germany are getting thrown in the same bucket with murderers, pedophiles and psychopaths by the media every day. And we will stand up against this.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 16:39 Post subject: |
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as others already stated this kind of (voluntary) censorship has to do with fear
look what happened with this book:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catcher_in_the_Rye#Controversy
now the question is does playing violent games make people violent?
or does watching a lot of violence on TV makes you violent?
it sure as hell makes you blunt watching TV series with pedophiles, serial killers, rapists, etc in action each evening
i also assume that most do agree with me that ratings for motion pictures are necessary
people who go amok and kill a bunch of people in a public place is a sign of the times
it started in the US (Columbine High School) and it is also happening in Europe these days
but about my 2 earlier raised questions, my answer: i dunno and i rather not speculate
such a thing should be investigated scientifically
and further decision making should be based on facts and not fear
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 17:25 Post subject: |
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c'mon ppl.. aren't we over reacting a bit?
I mean I really like the 3rd-Reich-reference the OP made -especially considering the increasingly Orwellian world we live in today- at least if you take it with a grain of salt like i did..
and that the man's censorship is becoming more and more of a prevalent phenomenon in our western society is an outrageous development but nonetheless one that can't be disclaimed.
then again as someone else already explained; we're talking about an isolated group of parents who lost their kids to somebody who -according to the media here in Germany- was made a killer simply by playing those games.
NOw there will always be those who want to ban shit after such tragedies and one day this might be controversial thinking (9/11 anyone?) so you definitely got a point there... but they're still minorites, there are still ppl areound who are able to use their brains once in a while.. so i think we can have a little bit of trust in ourselves
Besides, there is waaaay to much money to be made in games and where money is to be made....(i guess i don't have to elaborate on that)
Furthermore, as a medium gaming or rather what it will develop into will sooner or later surpass the movies or any other product of the culture industry which again is ultimately onely aiming at assimilating and ultimately controlling the masses (as Adorno put it)... 'tis kind of a vicious circle, you see
so "turn off the news and read"... or blow some zombie heads of, whatever floats yours.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Oct 2009 17:57 Post subject: |
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Erm.
German ministers of interior already proposed a total ban of "Killergames" and not only sales, production as well.
So think again about the money issue. Might be true in the US or Asia but Germany doesn't seem to give a fuck about that.
Well, I guess it's time to found my own Rapture. Anybody with me?
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