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| Glottis wrote: | | We don't know all the info and reasoning behind this. I mean when CoD4 came out people were mad because PC version didn't have prestige like console versions. That's because IW didn't know how to integrate prestige in PC version cos it was way too easy to hack profiles. So now they want to make it centralized on IW.net, they added prestige for PC version, and it might mean something if people won't be able to hack stats and host servers that give 200000xp per kill. |
Prestige mode and leveling were the last thing in their mind when they decided this...
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:18 Post subject: |
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signed!
if IW, don't include DS, then I am not buying this shit anymore,
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:21 Post subject: |
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| Kyorisu wrote: | | bishman82 wrote: | | But they wont be hosting servers, the whole point in a matchmaking server is to match you up with random people, the game will be running from whoever is hosting the game. |
But they will read the quote a few posts up.
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Any official news from IW or is this just rumors from some website? I've just listened to that interview with IW's community guy and he was trying to make the whole MP situation sound as good as possible (even though everyone else was far from impressed) and he didn't even hint at any IW run servers apart from the matchmaking thing.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:31 Post subject: |
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| bishman82 wrote: | | Kyorisu wrote: | | bishman82 wrote: | | But they wont be hosting servers, the whole point in a matchmaking server is to match you up with random people, the game will be running from whoever is hosting the game. |
But they will read the quote a few posts up.
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Any official news from IW or is this just rumors from some website? I've just listened to that interview with IW's community guy and he was trying to make the whole MP situation sound as good as possible (even though everyone else was far from impressed) and he didn't even hint at any IW run servers apart from the matchmaking thing. |
they said it on a official podcast too... it's true
why do you think all the gaming sites are going crazy about this?
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:35 Post subject: |
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| bishman82 wrote: | | Any official news from IW or is this just rumors from some website? I've just listened to that interview with IW's community guy and he was trying to make the whole MP situation sound as good as possible (even though everyone else was far from impressed) and he didn't even hint at any IW run servers apart from the matchmaking thing. |
/gah ninja'd.
Pure peer 2 peer would be an even stupider move anyway.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:38 Post subject: |
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Boundle should spam IW forums. So IW is fucking then.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:40 Post subject: |
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| Kyorisu wrote: | | Pure peer 2 peer would be an even stupider move anyway. |
I don't think p2p is a right term, because one player acts as a host and others join to him, so it's still a server-client connection and not real p2p.
If there are no dedicated servers whatsoever, even ones hosted by IW then fuck it.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:40 Post subject: |
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What is a dedicated server, a server hosted by Infinity Ward or a server hosted by players?
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:45 Post subject: |
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| Glottis wrote: | | I don't think p2p is a right term, because one player acts as a host and other join to it, so it's still a server-client connection and not real p2p. |
You can easily have a distributed system where clients report to another rather than just one client acting as a server. Such a system is more suited to RTS games where latency isn't as big of a factor.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:46 Post subject: |
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ping would be far worse in p2p than with 1 dedicated host ...
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:47 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | | bishman82 wrote: | | Kyorisu wrote: |
But they will read the quote a few posts up.
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Any official news from IW or is this just rumors from some website? I've just listened to that interview with IW's community guy and he was trying to make the whole MP situation sound as good as possible (even though everyone else was far from impressed) and he didn't even hint at any IW run servers apart from the matchmaking thing. |
they said it on a official podcast too... it's true
why do you think all the gaming sites are going crazy about this? |
People are going crazy over the dedicated server support being removed from the game but what i'm looking for is something official from IW saying there will be IW run servers not just matchmaking and host the game yourself.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:51 Post subject: |
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dedicated server = a PC (Server) thats 100% dedicated to "hosting". I.e. nobody is playing on it and it basicly runs just a console window (no graphics or anything). This assures the best possible performance.
Server hosted by IW would be just that (if ..).
Server hosted by Player means, the PC has to run the server AND someone is playing on it aswell (which obviously decreases performance by a LOT AND also usually means way less bandwidth (unless the guy is playing on some 10/10 100/100 etc. which most often isnt the case.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:54 Post subject: |
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@Kyorisu
Pure P2P wouldn't work in gaming because there is no efficient way of load balancing (some players sending much more information than others) and also reasonable fast distribution of correct information is not really possible (player one gets the correct information from player 2, but player 3 gets old information from player 4, who hasn't updated - this problem grows exponentially when there are more and more players).
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:56 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | @Kyorisu
Pure P2P wouldn't work in gaming because there is no efficient way of load balancing (some players sending much more information than others) and also reasonable fast distribution of correct information is not really possible (player one gets the correct information from player 2, but player 3 gets old information from player 4, who hasn't updated - this problem grows exponentially when there are more and more players). |
Hey I just said it was doable.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:58 Post subject: |
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FPS over email is also *doable* but not desired. 
Dedicates Servers are the way to go, until some magic technology pops up.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 17:59 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | FPS over email is also *doable* but not desired.
Dedicates Servers are the way to go, until some magic technology pops up. |
I'd tap that (to quote myself from earlier when someone suggested that)  |
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 19:58 Post subject: |
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Why the fuck are they forcing this down our throat ? Didn't the previous games sell better than cold beer in a whorehouse ?
The CoD4 MP scene is still alive and kicking ... so what the fuck do they wanna do ? Fuck them hard.
Also, before someone throws the usual "PC gamers are whiney bitches" remember that some days ago we were all nuthuggers of this game !
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Now that everything will be handled by IWNet, I guess LAN is also out of the question.
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: |
Also, before someone throws the usual "PC gamers are whiney bitches" remember that some days ago we were all nuthuggers of this game ! |
To hell with those guys... really, they're just console fanboys, nothing more.
They don't get that cutting Ded-Servers from the PC version is the same for us like cutting out the whole MP part of their beloved Halo games or even cod4 on their consoles. They're stupid and mindless mainstream'd whores with a -100 skillpoints in "Using your brain".
Instead of laughing at what get's taken away from the pc gamers they should demand the pc's features for their beloved consoles too. What's the point that there are no Deds for consoles today? What's the point for no mod support on consoles? Hell, xbox and ps3 got HDDs already. I don't get it. This stupid cunts are firing their money into those greedy buttrapers and after that they're calling us whiney bitches cause we don't take every shit those mofos are doing to us? Simply ignorant idiots...
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 20:02 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | Now that everything will be handled by IWNet, I guess LAN is also out of the question. |
It is, I think they said no LAN too. |
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 20:07 Post subject: |
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From nearly 4 weeks ago:
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Shack: By the way, have you changed the way multiplayer games function on the PC at all?
Robert Bowling: PC will be the same as it always was.
Shack: LAN support as well?
Robert Bowling: LAN support, yes.
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Sauce: http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1200
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 20:11 Post subject: |
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Perhaps this is what took them so long to deny the delayed messages. They weren't sure if they would manage to streamline it in time.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 20:16 Post subject: |
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He pretty much lied. I mean if he didn't lie and they just changed their minds because I dunno, it was vital for the enjoyment of the game (this is just generic excuse bullshit I came up with mind you), you just can't tear apart the MP component and then rebuild it from scratch in 4 weeks.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009 20:18 Post subject: |
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If there's no LAN, I predict massive fail.
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