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| timechange01 wrote: | How can I tell which motherboards are better than others? Between the 4 following boards, are any of them decent
1. Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H, Onboard Video, HDMI, PCI-EX, LAN, iEEE
2. ASUS M3A78-CM , AMD 780V, Onboard Video, HDMI, GB LAN
3. ASUS M4A78 PLUS, AMD 770, PCI-EX, GB LAN
4. MSI K9A2 CF-F V2, AMD 790X, Cross Fire, 1GB LAN |
Why don`t you google these boards. I am sure you`ll find plenty of reviews...
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 20:59 Post subject: |
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I think Il just research on boards for a few days. Ive decided to go with AMD but also decided not to buy a premade system so I will just buy the components separately and put it together myself over the next 2 months.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 21:11 Post subject: |
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Timechange, are you sure you are up to the task? It is very simple to do, not saying otherwise, but it takes patience, in particular when connecting the motherboard to the case and putting all the cables and devices together with the MB. It is usually very simple, but you do need to read the motherboard manual, especially of this is your first time. If you believe you don't have the patience to invest 2-3 hours into building the system, just give to someone experienced. 
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 22:43 Post subject: |
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| timechange01 wrote: | | I think Il just research on boards for a few days. Ive decided to go with AMD but also decided not to buy a premade system so I will just buy the components separately and put it together myself over the next 2 months. |
So is 400$ your limit ? Because if you want muscle Intel really is the way to go. You really need a good cpu and a good gpu and ffs don't go to cheap on the power supply. Can you post prices or a good site you will buy from and I can check it out ?
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 23:06 Post subject: |
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Hardest part in building a PC is attaching the heat sink to the CPU without crushing it and adding correct amount of paste. Then attaching all that to the mobo. The Core2Dou chips are not easily put together like the old pentium chips where you just snap in. I dont recommend doing it yourself if its your first time as you can blow the cpu/mobo right away. The rest is easy as its just connecting cables and snapping things into mobo easily.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 23:50 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Timechange, are you sure you are up to the task? It is very simple to do, not saying otherwise, but it takes patience, in particular when connecting the motherboard to the case and putting all the cables and devices together with the MB. It is usually very simple, but you do need to read the motherboard manual, especially of this is your first time. If you believe you don't have the patience to invest 2-3 hours into building the system, just give to someone experienced. |
Well Ive installed RAM, gpu, hdd, dvd drive, and PSU before but Ive never done motherboard or CPU.
I think maybe I should purchase just a (good)mainboard and the cpu preinstalled in a case and then just upgrade from there. Since Il be taking it slow I might have enough cash to start with a good Intel quad CPU but Im still leaning heavily towards AMD because of prices. But i MUST have the quad, it just sounds so much cooler 
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 00:15 Post subject: |
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What exactly AMD models are you looking at?
Also, installing a CPU and a heatsink is very easy, as long as you don't go with some super heavyweight heatsink. I believe for you the one that comes in the CPU box is sufficient. There is usually also a flier with images showing how to exactly install it. This is the easiest part of building a machine. The hardest, at least for me, would be to connect all the different case wires to the motherboard. Why hardest? Cause you have actually look in the book and see where each one goes. 
BTW, if you think Quad-cores are cool, wait two months tops, the Hex-cores - that's six cores - will arrive.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 01:14 Post subject: |
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I could certainly come and install this rig for you if you buy me case or 2 of beer(unless your locations lies)
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 01:23 Post subject: |
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I currently really want the Phenom II 965. I think I may be able to handle installing the CPU and thermal compound and the wiring for the board. Im definitely not in any hurry so I will take my time with this. Im fine with reading manuals as long as I can get the job done right
Gonna check out newegg they seem to have some good deals on CPU+motherboard combos
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 01:27 Post subject: |
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Also check the new Core i5 and i7 models, which were released by Intel to target specifically the Phenoms. This is why I asked which model you were looking at. The i5's and i7's are much faster and cheaper than the Phenoms. And there are also some cheap motherboards for them, unlike the higher tier 1366 i7s.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 01:48 Post subject: |
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lol @ reading the manuals
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 02:27 Post subject: |
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get the 955, cheaper and its the same cpu , doubt they are higher binned from reading OC threads
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 04:04 Post subject: |
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| timechange01 wrote: | | I currently really want the Phenom II 965. |
That's blowing half your stated budget on just the cpu. Not recommended if gaming is what you're going to use this computer for.
| Quote: | | One very important discovery made during this review is that if you have a high-end video card, the CPU has almost no influence in the system gaming performance. So if you are building a high-end gaming machine, maybe it is better to pick a cheaper processor and invest the price difference on a faster video card. |
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/819
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 04:10 Post subject: |
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Ehhh, "no influence". What kind of a dumb ass tests did they do? *INSERT OVER 9000 FACEPALMS PIC HERE BUT FOR NOW THIS WILL SUFFICE:  *
Without a proper CPU and memory bandwidth, especially at higher resolutions, the GPU would just choke. Someone should spoil the secret to Hardware Secrets. 
Maybe they ran the tests at 640x480.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 04:33 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 04:45 Post subject: |
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I checked out the i5 and i7. i7 definitely performs a lot better but are too expensive and the i5 has a lower clock speed than the phenom II 965 even though its the same price as the 965. And the benchmarks for the i5 and 965 looked similar.
The motherboard I found for the 965 is MSI 790FX-GD70. Did a bit of research on the board and it seems pretty solid! The total price for the motherboard and cpu comes out $358
PS. I had to delete to correct something
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 04:50 Post subject: |
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Yep, i5 is the better option here.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 04:52 Post subject: |
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But Im not planning to overclock at all. Also the intel mobos cost more!!!
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 04:57 Post subject: |
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Yep, and as Borderlands has taught us, there might be some cash, ammo, or even a revolver in that shit.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 04:58 Post subject: |
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ROFL!!
Anyway, the only logical reasons I see *anyone* choosing a Phenom II over an i5/i7, would be because either;
A. Brand loyalty. Wanting to stick with AMD (not necessarily a bad thing, just weird and counter-productive)
B. They already have an AM2/AM2+/AM3 motherboard and just want a quick upgrade path, by simply dropping the Phenom II into their current board rather than having to go buy a new one.
For complete-system purchasers, I seriously cannot recommend any AMD builds right now -- unless we're talking about the new 6 and 12 core Opterons. Oh baby..
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 05:03 Post subject: |
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Ive read that the i5 is a mid-range next gen cpu whereas the 965 is a high-end current gen cpu which I find more appealing
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 05:05 Post subject: |
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One big "C." missing in your list: Future. AM3 will long outlive the 1156. In fact, the 1156 was coined up just to kill AMD at low price. That's not to say i5 is not impressive. But there are already six-core CPUs planed from AMD for the AM3 socket.
But for TimeChange, which probably wont upgrade again in 3-4 years, no reason why not to look at i5/i7 1156.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 05:10 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | One big "C." missing in your list: Future. AM3 will long outlive the 1156. In fact, the 1156 was coined up just to kill AMD at low price. That's not to say i5 is not impressive. But there are already six-core CPUs planed from AMD for the AM3 socket.
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Maybe, but future doesn't always necessarily mean "better" - I mean, AM2+ boards are going to last forever simply because AM3 chips work on there too .. but that doesn't mean AM2+ boards are better than 775 or 1156.
I'm just hoping AMD get their act together, because right now they're a joke. I mean, they don't even have the "price for performance" ratio either, not with the ridiculously large price cuts on 775 Core2s, and the upcoming Core i3 (which are basically just rebrands of the high-end Core2s, but still running on 775)
Still, as I said, the new 6 and 12 core Opteron looks spanktastic
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But for TimeChange, which probably wont upgrade again in 3-4 years, no reason why not to look at i5/i7 1156. |
That's the very reason for this thread, he said he wants a PC that will last him a few years. Getting an i5 will let him do that, IMO.
| timechange01 wrote: | | Ive read that the i5 is a mid-range next gen cpu whereas the 965 is a high-end current gen cpu which I find more appealing |
*sigh* You just proved our point, bud.
"The i5 is a mid-range next gen CPU, whereas the 965 is a high-end current gen CPU" --- and yet the 965 *still* gets spanked by the i5 
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 05:10 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | One big "C." missing in your list: Future. AM3 will long outlive the 1156. In fact, the 1156 was coined up just to kill AMD at low price. That's not to say i5 is not impressive. But there are already six-core CPUs planed from AMD for the AM3 socket.
But for TimeChange, which probably wont upgrade again in 3-4 years, no reason why not to look at i5/i7 1156. |
Well i7 is out of the question. And since AM3 will outlive the LGA1156 and Im not planning to upgrade in the next decade(), dont you think AM3 is a wiser choice?
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 06:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2009 11:35 Post subject: |
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get the gigabyte 770 UD3 if you dont plan to crossfire.
And i would limit your CPU choice to either Athlon II 620 or Phenom II 955
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My 4870-1G is being seriously held back by my "lowly" E7200, so yeah - it makes TONS of sense, honest, that we should be running weaker CPUs and more powerful GPUs because the CPU has "almost no influence if you have a high-end GPU"
