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| WhiteBarbarian wrote: | Caraline
District 9
In the Loop
Moon
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Now, that I have seen Antichrist I withdraw `Up` from my list and replacing it with `Antichrist`.
So, my list as of now is as follows:
Antichrist
Caraline
District 9
In the Loop
Moon
Just as before it's in alphabetical order. |
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2009 23:44 Post subject: |
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District 9
Inglourious Basterds
Star Trek
Up
Watchmen
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2009 00:35 Post subject: |
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dunno if theyre all released this year but
1. Take
2. Up
3. Star Trek
17. District 9
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2009 18:45 Post subject: |
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Studios usually consider the US wide release as the real release days, despite showing the films many times before that date. 
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2009 19:40 Post subject: |
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I have to add Black Dynamite to my list.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2009 20:24 Post subject: |
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the limits of control
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I know my english is bad so correct me if i wrong.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2009 20:32 Post subject: |
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| Esel_Gesi wrote: | | I have to add Black Dynamite to my list. |
You already nominated 5 movies. Would you please be so kind to remove one from your previous list? |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2009 22:33 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | Esel_Gesi wrote: | | I have to add Black Dynamite to my list. |
You already nominated 5 movies. Would you please be so kind to remove one from your previous list? |
I refuse!  |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2009 23:01 Post subject: |
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| Esel_Gesi wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | Esel_Gesi wrote: | | I have to add Black Dynamite to my list. |
You already nominated 5 movies. Would you please be so kind to remove one from your previous list? |
I refuse! |
I can only count up to 5 |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2009 23:15 Post subject: |
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Democracy fail! Go dictator on his ass and throw out one of his selection out of the final five and pick one that he likes the most. [/evil laugh]
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Dec 2009 09:18 Post subject: |
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ah, just the thread i was looking for.
ignore my previous post. top 5 movies in order for 2009
1. avatar
2. Avatar
3. AVATAR
4. FUCKIN AVATAR !!!!!11
5. everything else, because in comparison they're all equally unremarkable 
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Dec 2009 11:15 Post subject: |
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oh noes , apparently some pretty good sfx makes a good movie nowadays , story could be shit as long as the cgi shit is great .
and it wasnt that fucking good either , D9 did it with a 10-th of the budget sometimes better (as in more believeable) imagine what 270 mil more would have done to the cgi .
i have no idea how some people can rate is better than Moon , District 9 (considering most like at least 1 of them ) , superficial fucks apparently get a hardon watching some blueass female alien.
and without the whole cinema experince it's gonna die , it wont retain the same feeling (is there was any) when it'll be on blu-ray or dvd , whilist Moon , D9 , Star Trek will cause they werent dependent on the whole 3D experience (which was really overrated) in the 1st place.
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what was so good about d9? the story wasnt deep or thought provoking -certainly no more so than avatar. moon was a fine movie, with a nice idea, but very slow pacing - i know its not an action movie, but sometimes things drag and it doesnt stand up to multiple viewings... but if anything, moon shits all over d9...
avatar told its story well, and was done flawlessly. seems to me, you just take issue with the films budget and its heavy use of cgi and are determined to hate it and call it and me superficial because of it... you seem to think the cgi was used as poorly as something shitty like transformers, and that the acting and storytelling was on par with spiderman 3. to that, id call you utterly blind and biased.
avatar succeeds were almost all other films fail. it created an amazing spectacle, a fucking awesome experience. beautiful cgi used to great effect, a storyline which isnt overly deep but is polished to perfection, great dialog, acting and production values.
if you pick moon or d9 as youre movie of the year then fine, good for you, but to suggest that they are prime examples of brilliant and perfect cinema... then turn around and suggest that avatar is an empty poorly made piece of dumb eyecandy, then that just smacks of ignorance and double standards.
oh and your d9 example is for shit. cgi isnt used in high amounts in the movie so of course it looks 'more believable'.., and the skill required to bring to life a hard-shelled tenticle mouthed hand-full of aliens, is a really really shitty comparison to a 90% completely cgi filled film, with soft skinned creations with fully expressive faces. i felt far more emotion coming from the aliens in avatar than i ever did from the ones in d9.
all your post sounds like, is just whining because you wanted so badly to hate the film. thats fine, doesnt bother me and doesnt stop me from thinking its the most fucking amazing cinematic experience ive had in a long long time.
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Dec 2009 12:01 Post subject: |
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torino dvdrip was 2009... and since most of us probably dont bother with anything unless we can download it, i guess we're all concidering it a 2009 movie
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nah man , i really was hoping something way more substantial from Cameron , i didnt want to hate it , sure i really wasnt impressed by the overall character design but COME ON , the story is like full of cliche shit , let's take the end sequences , everybody 'good guy' dies or is somehow incapacitated only for the brave hero to come back victiriously in battle , fuck that , i mean it's really fucking predictable bullshit , it was clear that he'd fucking save the day so there wasnt any tension created at all.
i can't even express how stupid the whole Quaritch boss battle was at the end , it was like playign some shitty game , in 20 seconds (or something like that) the fucking atmosphere on Pandora can kill you and this motherfucker is capable of putting up a fight , that's just sloppy , especially for Cameron , if it was Micheal Bay then alright , it would have been the first BS scene he'd done . Then Quaritch pulls a 3 foot fucking knife , i mean , what kinda of shithead puts a huge fucking knife instead of some laser jedi kinda shit (this is the future where apparently can make the cripple walk and the scarred un scarred again) , or some more ammo .
Then it take a shitload to drop of arrow to drop the fucker ..
i didnt hate it , but i surely wasnt impressed , especially by the 3d aspect , 2-3 scenes come to mind that looked great in 3D , the rest was really passable and that's really bad considering they pioneered a brand new camera espcially to get great 3D in this flick.
And it's not really about the money , tho i hate it when some retards say it was AWESOME CUZ TEH SEEGEEAYE WAS ZOMG-ish , fuck the cgi , the effects , story comes fucking first , character development comes first.
Characters a just cardboard cut-outs here , lets take Selfdrigde , Cameron could have done something way better than him , just using simple stuff , like showing that even HE doesnt really want to harm the na'vi , and he tried it , but if he doesnt do it , someone else will be sent and he'll probably just kill everything and wouldnt have invested any time understanding or negociating with them... and that's just for starters. he's a mere corporate bad guy here , same goes for michelle rodriguez's characters , copter pilot who decides to do the right thing and that's about it.
is D9 , Moon , Star Trek perfect cinema ? no , this years best ? hell yeah !
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| Hierofan wrote: | nah man , i really was hoping something way more substantial from Cameron , i didnt want to hate it , sure i really wasnt impressed by the overall character design but COME ON , the story is like full of cliche shit , let's take the end sequences , everybody 'good guy' dies or is somehow incapacitated only for the brave hero to come back victiriously in battle , fuck that , i mean it's really fucking predictable bullshit , it was clear that he'd fucking save the day so there wasnt any tension created at all.
i can't even express how stupid the whole Quaritch boss battle was at the end , it was like playign some shitty game , in 20 seconds (or something like that) the fucking atmosphere on Pandora can kill you and this motherfucker is capable of putting up a fight , that's just sloppy , especially for Cameron , if it was Micheal Bay then alright , it would have been the first BS scene he'd done . Then Quaritch pulls a 3 foot fucking knife , i mean , what kinda of shithead puts a huge fucking knife instead of some laser jedi kinda shit (this is the future where apparently can make the cripple walk and the scarred un scarred again) , or some more ammo .
Then it take a shitload to drop of arrow to drop the fucker ..
i didnt hate it , but i surely wasnt impressed , especially by the 3d aspect , 2-3 scenes come to mind that looked great in 3D , the rest was really passable and that's really bad considering they pioneered a brand new camera espcially to get great 3D in this flick.
And it's not really about the money , tho i hate it when some retards say it was AWESOME CUZ TEH SEEGEEAYE WAS ZOMG-ish , fuck the cgi , the effects , story comes fucking first , character development comes first.
Characters a just cardboard cut-outs here , lets take Selfdrigde , Cameron could have done something way better than him , just using simple stuff , like showing that even HE doesnt really want to harm the na'vi , and he tried it , but if he doesnt do it , someone else will be sent and he'll probably just kill everything and wouldnt have invested any time understanding or negociating with them... and that's just for starters. he's a mere corporate bad guy here , same goes for michelle rodriguez's characters , copter pilot who decides to do the right thing and that's about it.
is D9 , Moon , Star Trek perfect cinema ? no , this years best ? hell yeah ! |
ok come on... lets try and break this down...
of course the good guy is going to win. the movie was a struggle of good vs evil, about morality... having the bad guy win is neither novel nor does it make for good story telling for the 'wow what a twist' change from tradition. if the bad guy had won, the story and the struggle would have been for naught and it would have changed nothing. I for one always preferred good to win out over evil, its far more satisfying, so really it was a given what would happen. to call it predictable.. shit... then so are at least 80% of every other action/thriller/horror type movie out there, where the good guy wins after other heroic characters die.
and how was the boss fight sloppy? a man that can hold his breath for more than 20 seconds... yeah thats pretty unrealistic you're really nitpicking on that one, especially that during the film the character is established as a hardass who has obviously learned how to survive the planet quite well... and training himself in such a manner is hardly a stretch given how long he's been there... combined with a little creative license in the name of creating intensity and atmosphere, i never felt the sequence was unacceptably bullshit... far from it, as far as final battles go in movies, it was one of the more exciting and satisfying. and the knife... come on... dont be rediculous, why wouldnt he have a blade weapon? light saber joke? youre kidding me with that one, right? i cant believe you take issue with whats effectively a soldier carrying a knife! the most basic and reliable of all weapons any soldier could ever have.
its a sci-fi film. not a documentary. if youre going to call bs on everything thats not real or that uses a little artistic license in the name of filmmaking, then im not sure why you watch sci-fi films to begin with.
i dont think the movie is amazing because its a cgi-fest. i loved it because it was an immensely satisfying film. i was never bored, it was entertaining as hell, and the characters WERE great. i find it interesting you use selfridge as youre prime example of a poor character. he was SUPPOSED to be a 2d character. he was SUPPOSED to be a selfish focused and simplistic character... to add depth to him would have ruined the whole point of the character... he didnt CARE about the na'vi, dont you understand? its even stated in the film, the only reason to BOTHER trying to negotiate was because of PR back home, he didnt give a fuck about them. shallow character, yes, he was supposed to be... but he was perfectly realised and his intentions were definately shown in the film if you cared to look... same with quaritch. this isnt bad character development, its understanding what the story needs, and creating the characters to suit. this is GOOD storytelling. creating pointlessly and artificially deep characters just for the sake of it, is BAD storytelling.
and rodriguez's character was a minor one. her purpose was also clear, to show that not all warriors want war - that some have principles. the film was about showing all sides of human nature, and while humans are rarely that simple, this film called for them to be that way to clearly define them and show their impact on the story.
like i said, clearly defined and useful to the story characters are far far more effective and useful than wishy-washy pointlessly deep just-for-the-sake-of-it ones.
the story wasnt deep. didnt need to be. it was a great story though, and it was well told. if you didint like the story, you didnt like it... if you didnt think the cgi was good, then thats fine as well... if you thought overall it was a forgettable letdown of a film, then great... but i loved it, and i thought everything worked as it needed to. a polished story like avatars is always better than a half-baked overreaching mess of a story.
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There are also lots of interesting or explanatory grace notes in the scriptment that are missing from the final film.
Andre_Dellamorte: Such as?
Mike_Russell: Well, in the scriptment there's a Nav'i tribesman named N'deh who acts as a reluctant ambassador to the human camp. Not in the movie. There's a PR videographer character who keeps getting censored. Not in the movie. There's a corrupt "Bioethics Officer" who represents Earth's Green party who's casually on the take but starts feeling really bad about it as Quaritch ramps up the genocide, if memory serves. Not in the movie. There's a former Avatar operator who went nuts after his Avatar body was eaten alive. Not in the movie.
Basically, there was this whole ALIENS-rich tapestry of bickering human characters in the scriptment, and in the name of simplifying the narrative for as broad an audience as possible, those characters have been simplified and consolidated or removed.
Instead, we're left with Sigourney Weaver's character -- who's a chain-smoking, pissed-off scientist whenever she's in her human body, but is a gentle missionary-like teacher when she's in her Avatar body. She builds huts and teaches the Nav'i kids English in her Avatar body and wears khaki shorts and what might as well be a North Face vest. (And yet, for some reason, the Nav'i seem a bit confused by the whole concept of what an Avatar is. They're sort of selectively ignorant of human technology, like the cavemen who can somehow fly jets in BATTLEFIELD EARTH.)
Damn chiv , you're really sucking up to Avatar .. i mean shit , all my favs have flaws , but i still love them , you're making Avatar sound like it's some fucking godsend.
it's simplistic and dumbed down , even a 8 yr old can understand everything a 30 yr old can , and that's pretty bad , it's too simple , formulaic and cliche ridden.
I'd rather watch a good piece of filmmaking than some half-assed spectacle.
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avatar isnt my favourite film ever. but given the films that have come out in recent times it may as well BE a godsend.
why is a film crap just because its easy to understand? making a film difficult to grasp is not the mark of a good film.
its a good story, well told, with great and suitable characters that was very well directed. if anything, i just cant understand your fanatical hate for the film.
avatar is a very good piece of filmmaking... youre just determined to hate it no matter what. everything you point out just smacks of desperately trying to find shit to hate, and you always come up wanting. Your latest post... about cutting stuff out... you have no idea how movies work do you. you can add another hour of indepth stuff to the movie, but if it kills the pacing just for the sake of adding a little more depth and back-story that doesnt directly help the core storyline, then its gotta go - especially if the runtime is almost 3 hours after trimming... this is what directors cuts are for.... making complete films without having to worry about the box office and theater environment.
To say im sucking up just because i appreciate what a fantastic job was done with the film is not only biased, harsh and stupid, but also hypocritical... calling someone out who enjoys a film while you yourself are determined to dislike it and call it rubbish out of blind hatred for it.
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jesus chirst man , let it the fuck go
don't you get it ? i don't hate the fucking thing , i'm just saying why the fuck i consider it NOT THAT GOOD , why people point to some things that are actually pretty bad to begin with.
very good piece of filmmaking means a good story , at least with some originality or something to break itself apart , and after and while i was watching Avatar i felt nothing.
now let it the fuck go , you're starting to act like a dumb fucking fanboy.
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You do understand how a Forum works: [ ] Yes [X] No
This is not the right thread to discuss Avatar. Would a moderator please be kind enough to shove those posts where they belong? 
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no specific order
Inglorious Basterds
Gran Torino
Star Trek
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