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Werelds
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 Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009 15:17 Post subject: The HD58xx thread! |
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Figured I'd create a new thread, because there's a few among us with one of these cards now, and it helps if we keep the info in one place, to help people who are having problems.
I'll use this post as a little log of my overclocking attempts and results on top of that, so others can see what these beasts are capable of.
Useful links and tools
- Official drivers: 9.12 is the current version
- Hotfix for Catalyst 9.12: More CF support, some minor fixes.
- ATI Tray Tools (ATT): Useful tool for overclocking, creating 2D/3D profiles and making custom FAN settings
- MSI Afterburner: Another overclocking tool; this one allows you to control voltage settings very well.
- Unigine Heaven Benchmark: Benchmark based on an actual engine. Looks amazing and puts a nice 100% load on your GPU, while testing a load of features.
- Stalker: Call of Pripyat Benchmark: Another game-based benchmark. Personally, I prefer Heaven because it's quicker and prettier 
- GPU-Z: Without a doubt the best monitoring tool for GPUs. On the HD58xx's it shows you voltages, VRM temperatures, fan speed, clock speeds and a shitload more!
- Furmark: GPU stress test. Even though Heaven puts a 100% load on the GPU, Furmark pushes it just a little further; ultimately, if it can run Furmark, you can call it stable.
Common issues
Flickering / crashing under load: Very common issue, can be traced back to a number of sources. Most commonly, it's Powerplay causing it. Powerplay is ATI's powersaving feature; it underclocks your GPU when in 2D mode (i.e. when you're trolling NFORCE..err NFOHUMP!). Easiest way to get around this is by using the tools above to force it to select speeds. On default settings, the flickering is caused by PP switching between stupid-low clocks (157/300 for 5870) and still-low clocks (400/900 for 5870). Crashes are generally caused by the 3D settings not being applied properly, and/or the BIOS applying a too low voltage to the GPU core.
Note on the tray utilities: MSI Afterburner works best, period. Might not have the ridiculous options ATT has, but AB can do the overclocking ATT can, and then some. Voltage control with AB is insane, brilliant tool for this!
These are the stock 3D settings for a 5870:
- Core clock: 850 MHz
- Memory clock: 1200 MHz
- Core voltage: 1.1625
It's recommended to have these settings forced by one of the overclocking tools; ATT allows you to set all of these without a problem. AB (Afterburner) will allow you to set the voltages beyond the stock voltage in case you want to overclock. If you're not planning to overclock, you can probably stick with ATT as your only tool.
Overclocking!
So, I've been at it for a few days now, testing what is stable and what isn't. I'll start off with my specs and settings, followed by a list of my results so far. Still working on the memory, to see how far that can be pushed.
Why do I want to overclock with a monster card like this though?!
Twofold:
1. Because I can. 
2. As you'll see from my results, a minor overclock will help minimum FPS a LOT. The thing most people fail to realise, is that your minimum FPS is far more important than maximum or even average. Having 300 FPS maximum, averaging at 100, but dropping to 10 is far more annoying to play at than having 60/45/30. I'm taking extreme examples here, but you get the point.
Specs then. Also, there is hardly any difference between my E8400 and an i7-920 at 4GHz in a GPU-heavy game. For most games, an E8400 (even at stock) is more than plenty, with a few exceptions (Crysis, GTA4). Verified this by comparing my results to fellow tweakers on a tech site I lurk around a lot.
- CPU: E8400 @ Stock (shit motherboard, can't OC it :<)
- RAM: 4GB A-Data 5-5-5-18 (not high-end, never built this system for major overclocking)
- Case: Antec 900 v1 - all fans on low except for the exhaust in the back
- Bench: Heaven DX11 w/o tesselation @ 1920x1080, 4xAA, 16xAF, Shaders high
- Stress: Furmark @ 1920x1080, 4xAA, Post-processing set to ON
GPU settings are noted as follows: Core/Mem/Core voltage/Fan%. The FPS mentioned here is the result returned by Heaven, using the settings mentioned above. Fan is set to 40% in all cases for the time being, to get some comparable results.
STOCK REFERENCE RESULT: 850/1200/1.1625/40: 40.9 FPS, 51 degrees max
Core overclocking
- 875/1200/1.1625/40: 44.0 FPS, 54 degrees max
- 900/1200/1.1625/40: 44.1 FPS, 54 degrees max
- 925/1200/1.1625/40: 44.4 FPS, 54 degrees max
- 950/1200/1.1625/40: 45.4 FPS, 58 degrees max
- 975/1200/1.1625/40: 46.0 FPS, 59 degrees max
I have not managed to get 1GHz stable yet, even with a voltage of 1.25 on the core; that's where I stopped, because it was hitting 65 degrees at 40% fanspeed, which means it's not worth it. I'm still gonna figure out at what point the 1GHz is stable and get a result with it though. I managed to get through Heaven at 1.25, resulting in 46.1 FPS. So far, it seems breaching 1GHz is not yet worth it, we'll see what happens when I start combining a core + memory overclock.
Memory overclocking
- 850/1220/1.1625/40: 42.8 FPS, 53 degrees max
- More to come..
Final overclock for me
Core: 975
Memory: 1220
Core voltage: 1.1625
Fan speed: 40%
Result in Heaven: 47.1 FPS at 58 degrees maximum measured
15.2% performance gain for a 14.7% increase on the core, and 1.7% on the memory. Not bad at all!
Last edited by Werelds on Sat, 26th Dec 2009 20:55; edited 2 times in total
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009 16:19 Post subject: |
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Great job, i'll be using this once i get my card (5850)
Oh also, is it highly recommended to use the OC tools to put in the default stock 3D settings? Or will I be able to use the card without any problems ?
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009 16:21 Post subject: |
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I'd recommend setting the 2D/3D settings using one of the tools. Powerplay has 3 settings rather than 2 for some reason, and it keeps switching between the lower 2 a LOT. And on some BIOS's it seems that voltages are set too low for 3D settings, but that differs per brand
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009 16:47 Post subject: |
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This looks sexy! It's a custom, more silent fan but does better job at cooling, and also the card comes overclocked.
And it's just a bit more expensive than the regular. A no-brainer for me.
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009 17:25 Post subject: |
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Yeh, the vapor x cards are a good investment for the extra cash.
Especially if you wish to OC the card.
@pwerelds Why are you doing this in C2D rig and not the i7?
Corsair 750D :: 750W DPS-G:: Asus x370 PRO :: R7 1800X ::16gb DDR4 :: GTX 1070::525gb SSD::Coolermaster 240MM AIO::
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009 20:32 Post subject: |
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Waiting for MSI's Big Bang Fuzion before I switch to another platform
I know two of their marketing people, and they're preparing a bunch of press releases, so it's getting closer. The Fuzion board is MSI's Lucid Hydra solution; Hydra is the chip that lets you combine any videocards together 
On the other hand, when you compare my results to people on i5 and i7 platforms, there's hardly any difference in most games. The only games that do require more are those that get a 100% load on the CPU; for me right now, only Vantage, Crysis and GTA4 manage to do so. First two are just sickening for obvious reasons, and GTA4 is such a well optimi..err yeah.
Edit: The Vapor-X cards are totally worth it btw, they cost 20 euros extra but keep the card up to 5 degrees cooler when idle, and friggin 25 under load. This goes for any of Sapphire's Vapor-X cards for the record, good old 4 series had the same ridiculous results.
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009 21:43 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | This looks sexy! It's a custom, more silent fan but does better job at cooling, and also the card comes overclocked.
And it's just a bit more expensive than the regular. A no-brainer for me. |
that card cooled about 20C under the stock "blower" haha. Too bad my 5850 doesn't have the vapor x 
waiting for an aftermarket to come out to get rid of this loud fucking thing |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Dec 2009 22:30 Post subject: |
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Added my final overclock, 975/1220 is the max I could reach
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 01:20 Post subject: |
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*sigh* well, im back on my 8800GT for now till I can figure out what the fuck is going on
Was playing DOW2 online with Leo and Epsilon then when I went to exit out of the game my monitors shut off. Shut the computer down turned it back on, went to piss, came back, monitors were off again. Tried again, was all dandy, played some DOW2 again, came back to desktop, monitors shut off again.
Noticed after the first time it happend the 2nd monitor was flickering. So, gunna see if it's just my comptuer or the card.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 11:19 Post subject: |
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Is this normal with all 5850's are they really that unstable?
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 11:29 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | *sigh* well, im back on my 8800GT for now till I can figure out what the fuck is going on
Was playing DOW2 online with Leo and Epsilon then when I went to exit out of the game my monitors shut off. Shut the computer down turned it back on, went to piss, came back, monitors were off again. Tried again, was all dandy, played some DOW2 again, came back to desktop, monitors shut off again.
Noticed after the first time it happend the 2nd monitor was flickering. So, gunna see if it's just my comptuer or the card. |
Bet ya 'card' 
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 12:22 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | *sigh* well, im back on my 8800GT for now till I can figure out what the fuck is going on
Was playing DOW2 online with Leo and Epsilon then when I went to exit out of the game my monitors shut off. Shut the computer down turned it back on, went to piss, came back, monitors were off again. Tried again, was all dandy, played some DOW2 again, came back to desktop, monitors shut off again.
Noticed after the first time it happend the 2nd monitor was flickering. So, gunna see if it's just my comptuer or the card. |
about the flickering....
I had to use XP recently for some apps and rs232 issues and since then ive noticed "drivers 9.12" << might be that, that my left monitor flickers sometimes on boot up screens...
its like an fuzzy signal issue.. if i fuck about with the dvi/composite mode selections as it boots it tends to cure itself,, its pretty random though not everyday I boot up it does it..
Never had that with the other OS's...
so seeing as you got a new card there, and im on a 4870 and never saw this issue till using new drivers, im betting its the drivers.., some may say they dont come into play at boot time, but this cant be a coincidence no really it cant, i cant afford a new card right now
Again though, the os never really booted by that time, so could be psu glitches as well hmmm, fuck hope nothing major going on.. Ive also had a fuck tard load of usb to serial installs uninstalls and all sorts done here which is not pretty for comm ports locked open.
it is the same monitor that does it though never my samsung that is also connected.. |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 13:23 Post subject: |
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If it's flickering before Windows has started loading, that's not the drivers. While Windows is loading it might be the drivers.
@ Razacka: Not really, it differs on every system, and even between brands. I'm reading a lot more issues with Powercolor and XFX cards than I am with ASUS, Sapphire or MSI cards. Each brand uses a custom BIOS, so that's the culprit really
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 14:52 Post subject: |
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Well I've had the card for a couple months, just happened instantly when I quit DOW2
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 15:02 Post subject: |
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If you never had this issue before, but updated to 9.12, could be that. Do you have the hotfix installed?
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 15:05 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | If you never had this issue before, but updated to 9.12, could be that. Do you have the hotfix installed? |
I had the dirt hotfix, then the beta 9.12 (since epsilon posted em)
but meh, I'll put it back in when im not so bloody tired, been up for almsot 24 hours. |
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Dec 2009 18:02 Post subject: |
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Trying my overclocks now.. 900/1200 seems stable!
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Dec 2009 04:03 Post subject: |
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Well I figured it out. After putting my 8800GT back in only to find it worked with no problems I just put the 5850 back in, monitors weren't shutting off or anything. Well I wanted to run the control panel in my 2nd monitor to see how much load DOW2 would put on the card only to find that it was idling at 52C, which it normally idles at 39.
Thought it was a lil odd so I go to manually speed up the fan a few notches, nothing, crank the bithc up to 100%...nothing. Look at the card while it's on and the card is barely spinning the fans, you could see it speed up a tad bit but then coast back down.
Card must have been overheating due to the lack of cooling
I was going to ask if I could send in a check or something to have it exchanged for a fuckin vapor-x edition but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo they don't make a 5850 vapor...jerks.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Dec 2009 10:19 Post subject: |
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What apps you got installed and what you using the push the cards fan? I had issues using CCC for pretty much everything, it seems that the only thing that can reliably change the fan speed is MSI Afterburner. ATITT seems to change it but it resets to default after a few seconds.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Dec 2009 18:49 Post subject: |
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MSI's AB works best, need to manually edit the config file to allow it to overclock beyond the CCC limits though
Try it with MSI AB SpykeZ
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Dec 2009 20:31 Post subject: |
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the CCC worked great for me period, but it wasn't an issue with me trying to push the fans at first, if you watch the card boot up the fan barely spins up like it's supposed to, you can watch it give a little spin boost and coasts back down.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Dec 2009 20:52 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | the CCC worked great for me period, but it wasn't an issue with me trying to push the fans at first, if you watch the card boot up the fan barely spins up like it's supposed to, you can watch it give a little spin boost and coasts back down. |
Actually, that's intended, my 9800 GTX does the same. You power up your system, they turn at full speed for about a second, then die back down to 20-30% depending on the card (30 for my 9800, 20 for my 5870).
I can't do the fan in CCC for my 5870, simply won't stick. It always jumps back to 20% speed, even though the slider in CCC is at 100 for example.
NVIDIA's CP works better in that regard
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Dec 2009 20:59 Post subject: |
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Maybe it's something in the CCC in conjunction with the card, because they stick here quite well... :\ Did you try saving a profile?
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Dec 2009 21:09 Post subject: |
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| pwerelds wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | the CCC worked great for me period, but it wasn't an issue with me trying to push the fans at first, if you watch the card boot up the fan barely spins up like it's supposed to, you can watch it give a little spin boost and coasts back down. |
Actually, that's intended, my 9800 GTX does the same. You power up your system, they turn at full speed for about a second, then die back down to 20-30% depending on the card (30 for my 9800, 20 for my 5870).
I can't do the fan in CCC for my 5870, simply won't stick. It always jumps back to 20% speed, even though the slider in CCC is at 100 for example.
NVIDIA's CP works better in that regard |
no I mean this is doing it in windows. I know it powers up like that, all video cards I've owned do that. |
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