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The programming problems come in the way the Cell system operates.
It has certain instruction sets baked into each cell, so different media calls will be written for different cells. In programming terms this is not only a whole bucket load of extra work, but due to the fact they are going to be running eight instructions sets through eight cells at the same time the possibility for errors is highly increased.
Its really going to take a motherload of work to get it stable.
Some people think it may never be stable or time efficient enough for use in anything except console games. Given the higher number of possible factors that can cause PC code problems, having these multiple sets all doing their own shit all over the place could cause so many bugs, crashes and errors it simply wont be good.
Not sure yet though, we will wait and see.
The idea of Cell stacking is theoretically possible, but until they perfect the ability to code for a single cell chip you can forget about stacking 2 or any more together.
Even stacking 2 regular CPUs causes unwanted headaches and isnt the most popualr supported choice on a PC. I dont think Cell architecture is going to encourage people either.
Wouldnt worry though, 4ghz running pure games with no OS overhead ect is fuck load of power, we have seen what xbox and PS2 can do with a fraction of the power, so multiply that by five and its a nice possibility.
Still, i stikc with my PC. Why change the habit of a lifetime?
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2005 05:53 Post subject: |
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pallebrum, have you not read already that developers are worried about how hard it's going to be to work with and how a lot of them have avoided signing with sony yet? this is just another hype run by sony. PS: whoever said something about the graphics card being the fastest ever by nvidia: it will be equal to the card nvidia comes out with for pc at or around the same time which will essentially be the same thing LOL. and then 6 months later it will be way out of date.
However, I'm debating getting this or the xbox 2 as I haven't had a console since the n64 
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2005 12:18 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2005 19:12 Post subject: |
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| pallebrun wrote: |
Nvidia have even said it will be the fastest ever and since it's the fastest ever it cant be equal on the pc since two fastest ever is impossible  . I will find the quote for you (hopefully). |
wrong
doh!
from the man himself
David Roman NVIDIA’s Vice President of Corporate Marketing :
This is the next generation GPU, so after the GeForce 6 series this is going to be the next generation. So, this will be everything we have in GeForce 6 + whatever else we bring out. Obviously it will support DirectX 9, shader models 3, it will be the most feature-rich, the most powerful GPU that we’ve ever created actually, when it comes out.
soi figure that next series of pc gpu graphic cards due out on PC next year 2006, mmmmm... making it equal to what will be available on the ps3 when released in 2006 , proabably PS3 1st , followed by PC
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2005 19:47 Post subject: |
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Well they've already started developing for the Xbox 2, which is what i'm looking forward too.
What is nintendo's answer to all this? They came late into the console war anyway.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2005 20:19 Post subject: |
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the console that will own will be the one that can be modified and can play backups, name a console thats been successfull without this happening, Sony could actually be shooting themselves in the foot, as last i heard xbox2 may be going back to standard dvd format as its cheaper
also wondering with all this super stuff in the ps3 on how much will it actually cost and how much of a profit loss Sony will have to go to get it on the street.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Feb 2005 20:49 Post subject: |
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That is actually not true at all. Look on how long it took before a modchip were available on the ps2, it took ages, but people still bought it like there was no tomorrow.
Modchips will never be the factor that decide wether a console sell good or not.
The console that will own the sold-units-chart is the console with most games and many popular games, just like it was with this generation. Sony and the Ps2 had most games and also sold most units by far. Many different games to choose from is one hell of a reason for many when they buy a console. It doesn't have to be 100% quality (which isn't even possible with so many games), it's just the fact that there is so many to choose from that mathers.
This next round, one of the reasons for which console people will buy is which games they liked on the other console (ps2, xbox or gamecube), and therefor expect a followup. this is what I personally go by. I want my MGS games and I want my console rpg's (final fantasy etc) and my 3d platform games so I stick with the system I know will deliver these, and that is most likley the ps3.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2005 02:34 Post subject: |
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well i didnt read all this thread only up to the ps2 running on magic bollocks. haven't you heard of optimising engines? if you've noticed PC games cover a wide range of specs with min-recommended whereas the PS2 can only accomodate the 300mhz it has. The fact it is running on "magic" and has been doing it for so long (as you claim) then im sure that the xbox or anything else for that matter can outperform it once it has reached it's lifespan. Look at games like metroid prime 2 and how good that looks, its better than any PS2 game i know of.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2005 02:54 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2005 09:50 Post subject: |
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well i tend to buy all consoles anyway, as i'm a true gamer and not someone who has to say i ain't buying X console cos its done by X company or isn't as powerful as mine.
So in the end its us the consumer that benifits from all this like at presentr as i own xbox with chip + 120 gig HD, Silver PS2 with chip + eyetoy, and Gamecube with Viper chip, plus my pc - so think i'm covered ,lol
soon to get DS and PSP
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2005 11:07 Post subject: |
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both are great, and both i'll get, just love mario, yoshi, wario ware ect,ect.
Why would i only get what you class the only option, see my point why Playstation fans ain't real gamers but just mainstream people who have been brainwashed by Sony into thinking that gaming is just about PSP Or PS2/3 by all the bullcrap that Sony does on its marketing.
Yes i will get a PSP, DS is out 1st here in Uk, yes i shall get a PS3 but again xbox 2 is out 1st. There is too many games in each system to say i'll stick to only one becase its the best
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Feb 2005 09:53 Post subject: |
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| mcmanic wrote: | OMG here we go again, do you remember the uber specs of the ps2 and its "Emotion Engine" , lol - what a joke that was, expect no difference this time.
These new consoles will be good but nothing like what they are being hyped up to be as per usual |
What? A joke? Did you see GT4? It looks amazing.
No joke for me......
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Feb 2005 10:16 Post subject: |
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yes it might look good, but when you think about what a driving game has to render it's not so spectacular.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Feb 2005 13:16 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Feb 2005 17:20 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | yes it might look good, but when you think about what a driving game has to render it's not so spectacular. |
I don't care what does what. I look at my TV and i see very good graphics. I like them i'm happy, what else do i need ?
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Feb 2005 19:37 Post subject: |
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yeah not bad for replays!
the actual ingame graphics are above par but nothing major, unless you use the hardware to enable 1080i mode, which has be removed from UK/europe editions.
again getting shafted by Sony
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Feb 2005 21:17 Post subject: |
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OK If you are looking at those pictures and think they look good, you are obviously a console gamer. I don't get how anyone could consider those good graphics. They look like Need for Speed Porsche Unleashed ERA graphics, or worse... And it would look that way on any resolution.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 01:04 Post subject: |
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 06:54 Post subject: |
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I exaggerated a little but honestly, I don't think GT4 looks good, it looks like a console game with poorly made graphics. I'm sure it'll be an amazing game, but I find it's graphics sub par.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 09:14 Post subject: |
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i have played the prolouge demo, i'm also playing the GT4 jap version imported!
The ingame graphics are nothing like them above, only replays and photo mode, so infact your lying m8, the 1st picture is ingame footage as you can see the jaggies, the rest are replays or photo mode.
Please stop the sony fan bullcr@p and admit your wrong, lol
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2005 14:30 Post subject: |
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edit: Ah forget it, why bother.
I leave it at.
Ok.
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