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it is explainable - they just want to see how has changed their potential customers list - people who didnt buy games with drm in principle probably would ignore demo(and in future too), or people who ve seen drm in demo wouldn' t play much in it, and they will see it!
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 12:04 Post subject: |
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Naah, they wouldn't experiment with potential customers, you know that their objective N1 is to get as much money as possible from their game.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 12:07 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 12:18 Post subject: |
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Expect next gen consoles to go the same way, especially if the PS3 get's hacked
We will maybe even get it on future handhelds too
Eventually all entertainment could use this crap unless some court somewhere comes through for us
Not too interested in AC2, the first was very dull
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 12:27 Post subject: |
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| Ubisoft invests a ton in the new DRM. It's a MAJOR marketing step. They want to use it and perhaps even SELL it (=> big sum of gold).
| Pirates know this and even if they find the "hole" in it, they sit tight in their place, knowing that a "crack" released will be followed by a MAJOR which hunt lead by HUGE retribution from Ubi's part. Blood will be shed.
| Crack not out yet and for a while won't show up.
| The next move in this direction will probably be from Ubisoft (remove DRM or make it less painful).
And all this because I find very hard to believe that the system wasn't cracked yet. That is impossible. I bet a solution to crack it exists. The only problem is who and when to release it.
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I hope I am wrong and crack will be released in 5 minutes.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 12:42 Post subject: |
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ofcourse a crack will be released.. but its not a walk in the park.. its a very nasty task to create a crack for a protection like this cause some code is missing and all that need to be logged first.
if they have implement this protection right then this could be as hard to crack as starforce 3 perhaps even harder.. so crack can cost some time.
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b0se
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 12:43 Post subject: |
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ok so if someone cracks this drm, other ubi titles using it are just like ... cracked right ? same protection crap
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 13:17 Post subject: |
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| b0se wrote: | | ok so if someone cracks this drm, other ubi titles using it are just like ... cracked right ? same protection crap |
Am I wrong, or is EA's protection in C&C 4 similar to UBI's drm? And since C&C 4 got cracked, is it unreasonable to expect AC 2 to get cracked soon?
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 14:30 Post subject: |
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All it takes is one game to be properly cracked and it'll mean the demise of ubisofts posterchild drm .
some easy crack only with file replacing and that creates as any game does a savegame folder in your mydoc.
blackeyedboy is probably right about the retribution thing , but i don't think they'll catch the culprits , BUT they will probably 'punish' legit users from devianting from ubisoft's 'methods'.
anyway , it took a while for SC CS to be properly cracked .. (no unplugging , restricting acess , etc)
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 14:32 Post subject: |
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| vaifan1986 wrote: | | b0se wrote: | | ok so if someone cracks this drm, other ubi titles using it are just like ... cracked right ? same protection crap |
Am I wrong, or is EA's protection in C&C 4 similar to UBI's drm? And since C&C 4 got cracked, is it unreasonable to expect AC 2 to get cracked soon? |
c&c 4 doesnt have drm
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 14:32 Post subject: |
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I dont think it´s the same protection.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 16:24 Post subject: |
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| lolozaur wrote: |
c&c 4 doesnt have drm |
bullshit. hahahah What would you call it then? Any system designed to restrict what you can do with the game is DRM. Simple.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 16:43 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | | Ubisoft invests a ton in the new DRM. It's a MAJOR marketing step. They want to use it and perhaps even SELL it (=> big sum of gold).
| Pirates know this and even if they find the "hole" in it, they sit tight in their place, knowing that a "crack" released will be followed by a MAJOR which hunt lead by HUGE retribution from Ubi's part. Blood will be shed.
| Crack not out yet and for a while won't show up.
| The next move in this direction will probably be from Ubisoft (remove DRM or make it less painful).
And all this because I find very hard to believe that the system wasn't cracked yet. That is impossible. I bet a solution to crack it exists. The only problem is who and when to release it.
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I hope I am wrong and crack will be released in 5 minutes. |
As soon as a group properly cracks this it will be released, that's for sure. The "scene" can't release some crappy work around that lets the game play.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 16:44 Post subject: |
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so why sh5 was released and ac2 didnt
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 16:56 Post subject: |
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To first compare CC4 and SH5/AC2/Etc or Ubisofts approach with EA's the difference is mainly that Ubisoft stores more stuff server side and verifies it whereas EA is mainly about your account and related information so it's easier to bypass like that emulator method available now from what I've understood after all these discussions about it.
(It's complicated and I only get the basics sort of but it's quite a tough protection and unfortunately quite annoying and cumbersome as well.)
Then to compare AC2 and SH5 both can be run but they have various flaws making playing them difficulty or even impossible due to the stuff verified and sent server side not happening when being "offline".
Hopefully a similar workaround can be created even to Ubisofts method and of course EA can always strengthen their own system as well seeing how it kinda failed with C&C4
(Crysis 2 perhaps and so on.)
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 17:24 Post subject: |
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| lolozaur wrote: | | so why sh5 was released and ac2 didnt |
Why? Because, well, it's a tough one... I don't know... Assassin's Creed 2 CAN and probably WILL produce 1000% more money than Silent Hunter?! Because the AC franchise is worth A LOT more due to higher popularity, accessibility, production values, quality and huge marketing campaigns?!
In conclusion, because it's a godamn goldmine?!  |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 21:55 Post subject: |
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| Freakness wrote: | I wonder what are AC2 sales figures for PC. If this shit sold a lot better than AC1 and still continues to sell then we are fuckidy fuckin' then...
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no chance
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 22:30 Post subject: |
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First week it was like 5th place i saw somewhere, not sure what the numbers were. But probably not that great.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2010 23:41 Post subject: |
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| Ubisoft invests a ton in the new DRM. It's a MAJOR marketing step. They want to use it and perhaps even SELL it (=> big sum of gold).
| Quote: | | Pirates know this and even if they find the "hole" in it, they sit tight in their place, knowing that a "crack" released will be followed by a MAJOR which hunt lead by HUGE retribution from Ubi's part. Blood will be shed.
| Crack not out yet and for a while won't show up.
| The next move in this direction will probably be from Ubisoft (remove DRM or make it less painful).
And all this because I find very hard to believe that the system wasn't cracked yet. That is impossible. I bet a solution to crack it exists. The only problem is who and when to release it.
P.S.
I hope I am wrong and crack will be released in 5 minutes. |
I think every company out there would love nothing more then to catch the pirates.
And I also don't think that pirates care at all how much monney companies invest in DRM.
If a pirate wanted to release some really hot stuff anonymously he could just go to an internet cafe in his town with a stick and upload the crack from there.
Net cafes dont keep a log on people who come there and don't ask for ID's.
There would be no way to trace who has uploaded the crack.
Alternatively a pirate could go with a lap top to any random apartment building and try to see if any one has an unprotected wireless connection.
There are alot of users who dont know how to set one up and connecting to it wouldnt even require a password.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 10:50 Post subject: |
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http://www.gamershell.com/news_87704.html
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 10:56 Post subject: |
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| raven_g20 wrote: | | http://www.gamershell.com/news_87704.html |
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Saner
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 10:57 Post subject: |
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Console version (at a guess)
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 10:59 Post subject: |
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Yes, but we are interested in the PC sales, or?
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 11:00 Post subject: I have left. |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 11:19 Post subject: |
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| Nui wrote: | | I think, blackeyedboy, you've taken the question out of context and even misread part of it, so that your answer doesnt make a tiny bit of sense |
I was simply trying to explain bit deeper my point of view. But, by all means, please enlighten me! |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2010 12:07 Post subject: |
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He was asking about the scene releases of those 2 games. That wasn't what you were referring to was it?
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