Why are Drugs Illegal?
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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:01    Post subject: Why are Drugs Illegal?
I have never did any drugs nor I plan to, I was just thinking about the subject of drugs being illegal and it just makes no sense.

People have so many life threatning lifestyles such as smoking 2+ packs a day, eating like the world is going to end tomorrow, being overall stupid and damaging themselves on stupid accidents.

So why are drugs really illegal when statistics show that the greater percentage of people die from lung cancer or heart attacks caused by over eating.

The whole illegality of drugs is in my opinion illogical, drug dealing is treated by the law with more severity that some types of murder or violence, while morally speaking there is nothing worse than a person being violent to another.

Someone dealling drugs is just providing a service that is on demand, if there was no demand there would be no business doing money dealing drugs, people aren't force fed drugs, people look for it.

So, why the whole harsh severity with drugs when people die the most for diseases related with tobacco and chemicals in out food.

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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:04    Post subject:
As far as the uniited states go most drugs are just....fucking horrible and the effects blow dick.

Weed on the other hand is only illegal because the government can't control it and can't tax the hell out of it like they can cigarettes since weed can pretty much be grown in any household


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:06    Post subject:
I'm with OP. I can understand peoples sentiment in wanting to regulate strong drugs such as morphine, crack and heroin but beyond that. What people do; people do. Why impose a false moral standard on them?


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:08    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
As far as the uniited states go most drugs are just....fucking horrible and the effects blow dick.

Weed on the other hand is only illegal because the government can't control it and can't tax the hell out of it like they can cigarettes since weed can pretty much be grown in any household


That's also what I thought about it, but, please clarify my ignorance, can't tobacco also be homegrown?

If it is only a taxation issue, why all the harsh, exagerated punishment for dealers, even weed dealers get so many years as some repented murderers, which is just outrageous.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:10    Post subject:
its not the drugs themselves thats the problem..they are inanimate objects.

its the effect SOME of them have on people.

sure people die from lung cancer smoking 2 packs a day. but how many people you know jonesing for a cig that they rob someone at gunpoint for Marlboro money? or someone stabbing 5 people because his last cigarette caused him to go into 'ghosting' mode seeing things?

and saying "drug dealing is just providing a service for which there is a need" is like saying child slavery is just providing a service for a demand that is in need.

just because there is a demand for it, doesn't mean that its in the best interest of the people to make it a sellable commodity.

Ive know too many people on heroin, cocaine, PCP, etc (wife was as stripper for 5 years..you meet all types)
its not the legal/illegal aspect of it that causes the problems..as the people on it doesn't care if its legal or not when they buy it. its the things they are willing to do and extremes they are willing to do to get what they need TO buy it.
sure some drugs aren't an issue (weed for example) but there are many. many. that if made legal, would just cause more issues with people in the long run.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:16    Post subject:
|DXWarlock wrote:
its not the drugs themselves thats the problem..they are inanimate objects.

its the effect SOME of them have on people.

sure people die from lung cancer smoking 2 packs a day. but how many people you know jonesing for a cig that they rob someone at gunpoint for Marlboro money? or someone stabbing 5 people because his last cigarette caused him to go into 'ghosting' mode seeing things?

and saying "drug dealing is just providing a service for which there is a need" is like saying child slavery is just providing a service for a demand that is in need.

just because there is a demand for it, doesn't mean that its in the best interest of the people to make it a sellable commodity.

Ive know too many people on heroin, cocaine, PCP, etc (wife was as stripper for 5 years..you meet all types)
its not the legal/illegal aspect of it that causes the problems..as the people on it doesn't care if its legal or not when they buy it. its the things they are willing to do and extremes they are willing to do to get what they need TO buy it.
sure some drugs aren't an issue (weed for example) but there are many. many. that if made legal, would just cause more issues with people in the long run.


So you are basicly agreeing with me in the subject that, people into heavy drugs will always find a way to purchase them, even if they have to steal or kill.

So why is the dealer punished so severely?

If we agree that the problem is the effect that some drugs have on people, why is the dealer need to be punished for providing the sale, when tobacco companies are never punished for causing cancer.

The moral impact is the same between a drug dealer and a tobacco company.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:17    Post subject:
I was actually going to come back and say that. Warlock pretty much hit it on the head.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:17    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
As far as the uniited states go most drugs are just....fucking horrible and the effects blow dick.

Weed on the other hand is only illegal because the government can't control it and can't tax the hell out of it like they can cigarettes since weed can pretty much be grown in any household


so can tobacco, I know 3 guys that grow and roll their own cigarettes..the old "they don't want it because it takes the place of other things they make now"
is an old hippie conspiracy theory on why its illegal.

whats to stop the people making say rope..when weed is legalized..from growing their own hemp to replace what they are no longer going to be able to sell?

its the people yelling "legalize weed man! it helps cancer patients!" as if that's the cause they are after...as if the day its legalized they are going to go "thank the heavens that cancer patients can now get the relief they so long been desiring"
no 99% of them are using that "cause" as a false front to push their own personal wants..they wont think about cancer patients the day its legalized..they will be thinking "fuck man, how many can I fit in my backyard to make some killer bud??"

now not saying weed SHOULDN'T be legal, its the one drug I can stand people doing..its just ingrained into everyone's mind that its illegal, and most make an uproar when its offered to be legalize, without really knowing WHY they are making an uproar or than "Ive been raised to think its an illegal substance"


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:19    Post subject:
hmm, I thought tobacco could only be grown in certain areas/soil. Ah well.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:21    Post subject:
Ronhrin wrote:
So you are basicly agreeing with me in the subject that, people into heavy drugs will always find a way to purchase them, even if they have to steal or kill.

So why is the dealer punished so severely?

If we agree that the problem is the effect that some drugs have on people, why is the dealer need to be punished for providing the sale, when tobacco companies are never punished for causing cancer.
The moral impact is the same between a drug dealer and a tobacco company.


again..like child slavery..they will get kids one way or the other to work as whores and sweatshops..regardless of it effect it has on the people, so we should legalize it too by your standards of thinking.

just because there is a big demand that cant be stopped, doesn't mean an activity is best to allow anyone to do it.

not saying big tobacco is right, and they DO pay..a lot, they get sued for billions every year, and have to pay out to cancer foundations, and such as a side effect of they problem they cause.
why are cigs 8 bucks a pack now? because of the taxes and payouts they are being made to do.

drugs would be the same thing..payouts to people it affected, foundations, lawsuits..so in the long run..making it legal..will cost just as much as it does now illegal. so 20 bucks for a crack rock illegal or legal..will still cause the crackhead to steal your stereo for crack money..just you can no longer bust the guy thats causing the crackhead to steal.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:22    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
hmm, I thought tobacco could only be grown in certain areas/soil. Ah well.


might be, but im in florida, its grows like wildfire anywhere in the south US.

edit: and the above is my idea on it SpykeZ, not a fact Smile
just most people I know when asked why weed should be illegal, answer is "well.its a bad drug!" no idea WHY they think that..just ingrained in them.
why I think that, because its that "everyone else told me this" effect of everyone telling everyone else something..but no one knowing why they believe it.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:32    Post subject:
|DXWarlock wrote:
Ronhrin wrote:
So you are basicly agreeing with me in the subject that, people into heavy drugs will always find a way to purchase them, even if they have to steal or kill.

So why is the dealer punished so severely?

If we agree that the problem is the effect that some drugs have on people, why is the dealer need to be punished for providing the sale, when tobacco companies are never punished for causing cancer.
The moral impact is the same between a drug dealer and a tobacco company.


again..like child slavery..they will get kids one way or the other to work as whores and sweatshops..regardless of it effect it has on the people, so we should legalize it too by your standards of thinking.

just because there is a big demand that cant be stopped, doesn't mean an activity is best to allow anyone to do it.

not saying big tobacco is right, and they DO pay..a lot, they get sued for billions every year, and have to pay out to cancer foundations, and such as a side effect of they problem they cause.
why are cigs 8 bucks a pack now? because of the taxes and payouts they are being made to do.

drugs would be the same thing..payouts to people it affected, foundations, lawsuits..so in the long run..making it legal..will cost just as much as it does now illegal. so 20 bucks for a crack rock illegal or legal..will still cause the crackhead to steal your stereo for crack money..just you can no longer bust the guy thats causing the crackhead to steal.


Although you are mostly right in your argument, you just can't compare drug dealing with child slavery, they are 2 completely different universes.

First, slavery, any kind of slavery, is a force driven situation, you grab a innocent poor child and send her to a unkown Chinese factory or some pedophillian house where they can make their disgusting movies.

Another completely different situation is someone who is into drugs, that choose to be in that situation and decides to make a purchase of the substance he so desires, besides, poor crackheads are just half of the coin, you are forgetting all the rich people, actors, musicians, enterpreneurs, who will never have the need to steal or kill to purchase their beloved meth or crack, or heroin.

Poor people will always be propelled to kill or steal, they don't need to be on drugs, of course, I agree that most of the times it helps that outcome, but people need to be predisposed to it in the first place.

I agree that heavy drugs shouldn't be legal, but I can't agree with any harsh punishment for a drug dealer, imo, a drug dealer is just a financial crime and should be treated as such, most financial crimes get less than 5 years of penalty, with most of the situations only half of that time of actual prison time, so, why do drug dealers get 10 - 15+ years?

It's irrational imho.


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I can only imagine the arguments we would have had between me and my wife if coke was legal when she was dancer, coming home tweaked out of her mind, in bitch mode.

it would have went from "think of the kids, and me, and what will happen if you get busted..and whats its doing to you"
to her being able to say "fuck off, its legal, I'm not doing anything wrong..me and the cop that got a lapdance did 5 lines together!!"
not in the mindset to realize until its TOO late that it was a bad idea.

for most drug users, like she was that quit, the ONLY thing that saved them from an OD, or spiraling downhill was the fact that it was illegal, and the consequences of being caught wasn't worth the high it was giving them.
so legalize it, like alcohol, and there is no leverage to use with them that makes them see a downside to almost killing themselves. why alcoholics are so hard to get them to stop..there is no reason to be scared to start back up.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 03:39    Post subject:
Ronhrin wrote:

Although you are mostly right in your argument, you just can't compare drug dealing with child slavery, they are 2 completely different universes.

First, slavery, any kind of slavery, is a force driven situation, you grab a innocent poor child and send her to a unkown Chinese factory or some pedophillian house where they can make their disgusting movies.

Another completely different situation is someone who is into drugs, that choose to be in that situation and decides to make a purchase of the substance he so desires, besides, poor crackheads are just half of the coin, you are forgetting all the rich people, actors, musicians, enterpreneurs, who will never have the need to steal or kill to purchase their beloved meth or crack, or heroin.

Poor people will always be propelled to kill or steal, they don't need to be on drugs, of course, I agree that most of the times it helps that outcome, but people need to be predisposed to it in the first place.

I agree that heavy drugs shouldn't be legal, but I can't agree with any harsh punishment for a drug dealer, imo, a drug dealer is just a financial crime and should be treated as such, most financial crimes get less than 5 years of penalty, with most of the situations only half of that time of actual prison time, so, why do drug dealers get 10 - 15+ years?

It's irrational imho.


Poor people will always be propelled to kill or steal? no, the amount of riches you have doesnt determine this..sure its a factor, but well off people do it also.

im saying think of the projects like in chicago, its illegal to have drugs, and they still get them despite knowing its wrong, think of the state of that area if it was freely sold to these people.
you would STILL have illegal dealers, just like guns. 95% of the thugs in the projects cant own guns for a criminal record..but they do, and they kill, steal, and rob to get them.

so youd have the dealers still..buying the drugs for those that cant afford them themselves, and hiking up the price on "payments" as they do now..killing those that dont pay, or those undercutting them. prescription drugs have this problem now. xanax, hydocodones..etc. people making money off the poor that cant afford the legal version.
you wouldn't be solving a problem, just creating a new one.

and they get 5-10 years as an example to others (not right to do..but its why), and the lives they destroyed doing what they did.
most dealers they KNOW aren't going to get out after a 9 month stint and quit dealing..they are going to go back to it.
I know if your selling crack, more than likely in the 5 years you did it, someone died by your actions, either from the drugs, or drug wars...its more than a simple "financial crime"


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drugs
back in the old days they where called herbal medicine , it was shunned by the christian church as the witch medicine, the satans seed...but when people finally wised up and pulled they ass out of Rome , they saw it could cure people from aches ... stomach ache , head ache etc..
now the industrial age came people fucked the religion and the morality system, they became addicted to herbs ... opium and other fungus that took they aches... now not aches of the physical form but mental ones, a addiction of mental illness became the new addiction ... take something to feel like someone else, to be taken away from this consciousness to another... so you can see words, see colors ,see waves of sound...
then the word of "pharmacy" came and aches became business and with that corporations came making money from aches... and when money is made, rules need to be created, to not share the wealth to others... rules created politics... back in the old days Coca-cola was a cocaine medicine drink that took your aches away... those days "cure all health drink" , now its a soft drink with replaced cocaine for cofeine...that destroys your liver craeting another ache...
now we are back to square one home herbs aka "bad drugs" are banned , good ones are controlled by the religion system ... simply put : there are so much drugs in our food that we don't care what kills us , we know its 99% cancer... 1% heart attack but we take the shit to be far way from this whole mess we are in...


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 04:13    Post subject:
Ronhrin wrote:
Why are Drugs Illegal?


because america says so.


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Both smoking and alcohol drinking would be illegal, if we knew the effects when we started using them.
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Both smoking and alcohol drinking would be illegal, if we knew the effects when we started using them.


alcohol was illegal. but at least the american govt could admit at that time that prohibition was worse than it being legal.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 08:31    Post subject:
Sure, I can understand why you would'nt want "dirty" drugs like meth, crack, heroin etc to be legal, I think SOME things are just bad enough to be regulated even if there are alot of people who wants to do it.

I've never done any drug in my life, I've never done cigs or any other tobacco other than the occasional party-cig in my late teen years - but I still think the ban on maruijana is a fucking joke. Well, okay, we all know it's illegal because of ignorance and lies. And my GF is ignorant on that part, im afraid :/ You know, the type of person that considers all things that are classed as drugs almost equally bad - be it coke, weed, meth, ecstasy etc..

I personally think that things like weed and X for example should be legal, considering it's perfectly legal to smoke fucking cigarettes and drink yourself nearly to death any day you want. What's even more hypocritical is that we all know alcohol kills so many more people each year than weed will ever do.

And speaking of legalizing weed because of "medical purpouses", let me quote Doug Stanhope Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 10:01    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
hmm, I thought tobacco could only be grown in certain areas/soil. Ah well.


Tobacco needs greater soil acidity if I'm not mistaken.

I guess the problem lies, as always, with the human kind. They have no means of self control. That's why we have the set of imaginary rules that prevents us from doing stupid things (maybe because they're imaginary there are ppl who brakes them, who knows grinhurt).

Anyhow...

They are illegal because at early stage of your life they can seriously fuck up your organism.

Here in rural area of Cro, back when ppl were even poorer than today (who would have said that such times exited grinhurt), during winter times parents gave their children some bread and home made wine, so they would stay warm during a long walk to school. The wine was made from a special sort of shitty grapes which contained methyl alcohol. You could see, during some period of time, how kids became slowly retarded...

The moral of this story: the mental retardation of those kids was caused by stupid parents, now imagine if you have legalized LSD, cocaine, etc. you don't need stupid parents (and we all know that the majority of parents today aren't really the role model for their children) in the retardation making process.

All chemical substances that alter human perception have some kind of bad effect on our body (they're not indigenous to us) - alcohol - poison that ruins your liver, marijuana - bad for lungs + may cause psychosis, LSD - destroys your brain...

Plus all addiction making chemical substances fraks up your serotonin/dopamine receptors (why you're addicted in the first place)...

Long story short: ppl cannot control themselves, therefore it should be illegal. Oh and on that: if you're bored go smoke a joint... come on... If you're bored go ride a bike, go out with friends, go bungee jumping (extreme but hey Very Happy), play a game... you catch my drift...
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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 14:17    Post subject:
Drugs are illegal so criminal organizations have means of getting lots of money by selling them, and then using that money for their criminal operations.
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Alcohol and drugs cost too much money for a government to deal with (crime, traffic accidents, detox, rehab, etc.) - it's just that alcohol consumption is so widespread that it's impossible to ban that too.


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To much text to read all of it at the moment but here in the Netherlands weed is legalized.

I think this is one of the best laws out there because it helps to reduce the crime ratings in a country/region. It doesnt matter where you live... everybody uses cannabis anyway. The difference is... here we buy it at stores without any problem. So we don't have to find backways and can avoid contact with the "criminal world". The chance to come in touch with hard drugs is in my opinion lower. I also love to see it when i go to a local shop and i see a father buying some cannabis with his daughers to try there first time together. Allways better then let them try the first time on the street or anywhere else. Its more controlled this way.

Only weird part is .... we're not allowed to grow, we can only buy.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 18:50    Post subject:
I have read a couple post, not all, so forgive me if it has already been said.

People commit crimes to get there addiction becasue the actual act of making these substances illegal has inflated the price.

Legalizing would reduce crime rates by making drug cartels obsolete. Anything governments have made illegal; has caused underground markets to thrive, and violence and crime also thrives in this environment. Just look at how prohibition effected crime in the USA.

The tax dollars alone that could be made of all these drugs could fund drug education programs, rehab clinics, drop in centers etc.

People are always going to find away obtain and use the substances, so why create and underground market for crime and gangs to flourish.


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 22:34    Post subject:
because drugs are psychotropic substances

pure tobacco harms but ciggaretes harms more because of the paper that industries make

carbon dioxide,tar and many more substances the cigarette paper has that make your lungs black and make your addiction stronger

if you use all these in regular basis after the age of 30 you ll understand

human body doesnt accept all those substances if you are lucky you will live
after the age of 30 you must carefull your heart your dick and many more if you want atleast to have sex Very Happy

but doesnt mean much if its illegal or not you will decide if you will use them but you will take the responsibility of your actions

industries do their job whole countries economies are based to drugs doesnt mean much ,weapons must be recycled , men without women must stay calm

prostitution,drugs,weapons

also do not confuse the culture of indians for example or other ancient races that had those substances for religius purposes or other reasons with todays world
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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 22:47    Post subject:
Not everyone can use Drugs carefully and enjoy its effects without getting addicted and therefore destroyed, that and if it gets illegal, more than half of people on the planet will instantly get rich, and both of these aren't in the interest of governments, they lose capable working force, why work at minimum wage when you can make millions selling drugs if it gets legal, basically one half would be super rich & the other would be drug addicted ghouls
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