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I watched the prefight interviews and he certainly wasn't humble.
And now you're talking like Dana White which is just bad  bad for you I mean.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jul 2010 20:06 Post subject: |
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I believe its all an act, something he brought from his WWE days. He knows it sells, and people will tune to watch him fight. Doesnt matter if people want him to lose or win, they'll tune in.
And I watched the spike ufc 116 preview, and Brock was arrogant as one can be. Everytime he was on screen he was talking about how great he is and how Shane has nothing. How his wrestling is much better than Shane's. And how he is the biggest and the best HW ever. That is not something I would consider humbleness.
He would probably get into Shane's face after the fight like he did with Mir and Herring, but its hard to do when you face been caved in the first round.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2010 01:13 Post subject: |
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"I'm still the toughest SOB around" sure it was after the customary trainers, family, God speech but the true character of the man came out @ the end.
Rogan calling him the baddest man on the planet a title Big John - the best ref in the biz who don't work for the uFC no more, banned from reffing in Vegas for saying the Vegas sports commission is bent - gave Fedor. No class @ all..
The focus is lost. If all it takes to be considered the best MMArtist in the world is being bigger & stronger than your opponents the sport has gone to the dogs. Who needs to study muay thai, BJJ, sambo, boxing ect if all it takes to be the best HW in the world is being a big boned wrester who lifts weights & boxes some.
Cain isn't going to knock Brock off his perch Cain is just as strength oriented as Brock. If all you have is strength to work with you will be crushed against a man who was born big & strong & developed that size & strength all his life.
When MMA = strength its over, no more MMA just another meat-head mentality factory. MMA is all about being able to use your opponents strength & size against them. This has been forgotten in the bid for fame & fortune.
Functional strength is important in a HW MMArtist like cardio is important but without the Mixed Martial Arts you're just another meat-head. Barnett said he never used steroids before a MMA fight, I believe him far more readily than the sports commission.
Barnett has the skills & ability to unravel HW's who are strength oriented, like Fedor does. Saying fedor is lazy just going for KO's shows little grasp of the mans style. Fedor is notorious for taking the fight into his opponents game. Thats why he out struck Tim & then choked him out. Look it up thats Tim's mo. AA's mo is KO's. Rogers mo is KO's. You get the picture ?
Fedor feels out his opponents & carries himself with such calm that he appears to be slow & lazy. You're so used to seeing fighters that are posing, knocking themselves out with emotion that Fedor looks tired & slow in comparison. In reality what you are looking @ is a fighter who is so @ ease in a fight that he appears no more excited than he would going to take a dump. Bas in an interview said that the thing that he found so unnerving about Fedor was his lack of emotion or even facial stress during a fight. Most fighters pull stupid faces when they're exerting their energy, not so Fedor. So the casual onlooker will presume Fedor is tired or slow witted when the opposite is the reality. Fedor is ready for the long haul.
Fedor said himself that his sub defense wasn't automatic & he hesitated because of it. Fedor's camp have published an article in a russian mag that explained that due to finger injuries incurred during a sambo comp Fedor was unable to prepare fully for the werdum fight. They thought he would be ready, they admit that they were wrong. Fedor didn't prepare enough for the werdum fight for his sub defense to be automatic like it needed to be. Werdum props to him took advantage & pulled Fedor into a triangle & tapped Fedor out.
Sorry about the wall of text but I needed to lay it out the way i see it. Don't even get me started on the rankings, what a crock of sh!t. Amend the Ali act already.
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2010 06:06 Post subject: |
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U mad?
Yes, yes I'm back.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Jul 2010 06:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Jul 2010 11:40 Post subject: |
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Great stuff, it's like he's talking about 'Dana's baby' or Brock, artificially created for the business side of it to attract Hulk Hogan fans or whoever.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2010 17:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 11:45 Post subject: |
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Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior dos Santos
Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael dos Anjos
Catchweight bout (171.5 Ibs): Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Middleweight Championship bout: Anderson Silva (c) vs. Chael Sonnen
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Dennis Hallman[1]
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Christian Morecraft[1]
Welterweight bout: Johny Hendricks vs. Charlie Brenneman[1]
Light Heavyweight bout: Tim Boetsch vs. Todd Brown[1]
Light Heavyweight bout: Phil Davis vs. Rodney Wallace[1]
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs. Rick Story[1]
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mag2005
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 16:20 Post subject: |
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I am gonna pick the opposite of Fisk just to see what happen  . He can't be that lucky.
Sonnen, Fitch, Guida, Hughes, and Nelson.
Beside the title fight and the JDS/Nelson fight, I think the other three fights can go either way.
The odds favorites are Silva, Guida, Almeida, and JDS. Fitch and Alves are at even.
Silva vs Sonnen, I don't think Sonnen can win. Chances are he'll lose by submission because he'll take the fight to the ground. I pick him because I want to see if he can shock us again. He did it against Filho, Okami and Marquadt. If this fight was a 3 rounds fight, I think he'll have a better chance of grinding out a win. I think Sonnen might have some surprises for us.
JDS vs Nelson, both have KO power but that alone won't win you fight all the time. Nelson have a decent chin. JDS haven't really been hit on the button hard yet. They have a common opponent, Stefan Struve. Both won decisively in under a minute by TKO. JDS have better wins over ranking fighters not that it matter much. Ranking changes all the time. I think Nelson will take the fight to the ground to win because he'll want to avoid getting KO on his feet.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 19:49 Post subject: |
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| Big_Gun wrote: | | I think they are told to sell the fights and that is where you get all this mouthing business. |
It's his decision entirely. He is a politician and he knows that your career in the capitalist world of MMA is governed by popularity. If you are not a popular fighter, it doesn't really matter if you are the best in the world. You won't be viewed as the pound for pound best fighter in the world if you, for instance, are called "Fjodor Emilianenko" in the U.S. - when the votes are cast on MMA-forums, the average voter is a clueless ex-WWC/WWA fat white guy who couldn't care less for skills, etc. - Chael Sonnen is doing exactly what is popular among the fat american average Joe-populace, it attracts viewers and it keeps Dana smiling. He is doing this for himself as much as he is doing it for the UFC.
Even if Anderson wins in a spectacular fashion, people will still like big mouthed people like Chael more, for the same reasons that Tito Ortiz is still loved, in spite of being mostly an overzealous bully. Anderson is a black guy who doesn't speak "american", wears pink, and likes to move around like a dancer (or a monkey, if you visit the UFC-community forums). Anderson knows well he will never be considered the best p4p fighter in the world by anyone who isn't a fan of the sport as well as the game.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 05:04 Post subject: |
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Wow, I am surprised by Hughes. He connect with a left that knock Almeida down and arm triangle choke him out cold. He just subbed a 3rd degree BJJ black belt.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 06:13 Post subject: |
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Fuck, how I hate that freaking Fitch. Way to kill the mood, of so far, a very excellent fight card. He is the definition of hold and dont do shit fighting style. Absolutely no offense. The first 2 rounds were nothing but Fitch's takedown, and then several minutes of Thiago slowly but surely standing up, while Fitch just tries to hold him down. And for the very first time I paid $50 for the PPV, so im twice as pissed. Lets hope the soul-crushing Anderson shows up today, and takes away the foul taste that Fitch left.
Edit: Whoa, I just realized the main card consists of USA vs Brazil matches. USA is in the lead right now. Lets see what Sonnen has to offer, and if he can back up the crazy amount of shit that he talks.
Wtf is Silva doing, he let his hands down while Sonnen slips in few very good punches. If I didnt know any better, I would think Silva is throwing the fight.
Amazing performance by Sonnen so far, Silva wanted a real contender and he got one.
Last round for Silva to finish if he wants to win. Lets see if Sonne can keep this amazing pace for one more round. And they are on the ground again, I'd say congratulations Sonne because I dont think they are standing up again.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 06:55 Post subject: |
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Silva hasn't been fighting for 6 or so fights. Not a surprise he's doing shit still.
He's either throwing the fight or just irl trolling.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 06:57 Post subject: |
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OMGGG WHAT NOOO HAHAH
Amazing comeback by Silva, out of no fucking where.
I Say we need a rematch. We definitely need one, unless Silva was just trolling, he was getting completely dominated EVEN in the stand up where I thought Sonnen would be murdered. Sonnen staggered Silva a few times.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 07:02 Post subject: |
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Seems like every championship fight needs a rematch these days.. I wonder why.
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mag2005
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 07:04 Post subject: |
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3-2. Damn, Sonnen almost shock the world. Like I've said, if it was a 3 rounds fight, Sonnen could grind out a win. Sonnen was stupid at the end and it cost him with less than 2 minutes left.
After the JDS vs Nelson fight, JDS isn't ready yet IMO. He got KO power but he's not going to KO everyone in his path. If he can't finish Nelson, he's going to have a harder time with his next opponent. Brock/Cain is a tougher opponents to face.
If you hate it, ignore it.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 07:06 Post subject: |
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True, but I think Sonnen definitely deserves it. Its the same as Randleman catching Mirko. You cant say that Randleman is better than Mirko, as was proven in the rematch. This fight left a lot of questions, and Silva's invincibility aura is gone.
Oh, and it happened to Sonnen in Filho's fight. He was dominating Filho and then gets caught in a submission, but then again dominates him in the rematch but that time he stayed out of any submissions.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 07:11 Post subject: |
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I want to see an instant rematch too. Sonnen deserved it after 4.5 round of dominating Silva.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 07:17 Post subject: |
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I find it hilarious that Rogan keep on saying Silva's going for an armbar when it's a triangle. Beside Fedor, I haven't seen many fight doing an armbar from their back. Usually you see guys transition from triangle to armbar. Rogan was wise in recognizing that Sonnen needs to watch his left hand because in the end he got caught in a triangle.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 14:05 Post subject: |
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There's a lot of talk onlinne regarding the Silva Sonnen fight. Many of the Silva nuthuggers are having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that wrestlers are like kryptonite to Silva. A lot of morons are saying that Anderson let Chael dominate him for 4 and a half rounds to prove a point which is such a load of crap it's unbelievable.
You have to give credit where it's due and in this case Chael deserves a whole lot. I have to be honest and say that I wanted him to win, but I didn't believe even for a second that he could in the lead up to the fight. While the fight was taking place I was 99% sure that Silva would catch him in a submission. Something that Chael has been susceptible to in the past. And so it happened.
I feel sorry for the guy and I hope there's a rematch, although I don't believe that he could win it.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 14:33 Post subject: |
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| mag2005 wrote: | | I find it hilarious that Rogan keep on saying Silva's going for an armbar when it's a triangle. Beside Fedor, I haven't seen many fight doing an armbar from their back. Usually you see guys transition from triangle to armbar. Rogan was wise in recognizing that Sonnen needs to watch his left hand because in the end he got caught in a triangle. |
It was a triangle AND an armbar. Armbars aren't only done from the side.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 14:36 Post subject: |
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| RMFX wrote: | There's a lot of talk onlinne regarding the Silva Sonnen fight. Many of the Silva nuthuggers are having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that wrestlers are like kryptonite to Silva. A lot of morons are saying that Anderson let Chael dominate him for 4 and a half rounds to prove a point which is such a load of crap it's unbelievable.
You have to give credit where it's due and in this case Chael deserves a whole lot. I have to be honest and say that I wanted him to win, but I didn't believe even for a second that he could in the lead up to the fight. While the fight was taking place I was 99% sure that Silva would catch him in a submission. Something that Chael has been susceptible to in the past. And so it happened.
I feel sorry for the guy and I hope there's a rematch, although I don't believe that he could win it. |
Absolutely, I am a Silva-fan, and called him to win. I can't take anything away from Chael though, he fought like a champion tonight and even though I really dislike his typical arrogant american behavior, as a fighter I cannot do anything but respect him. I believe this fight was exactly what Anderson needed. He has seemed very jaded in his previous fights, and I believe this one will wake him up.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 15:05 Post subject: |
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Hey, I'm a fan of Anderson Silva aswell. There are 2 reasons why I wanted Chael to win though.
First of all, I believe that Anderson is definetely the most talented fighter in MMA. And as such I think that he should use his talent to finish fights. Seeing him act the fool like he did against Forrest and Maia even more so made me think that he needs someone to plant one on that chin of his when he's dancing around with his hands at his waist. It happened, and he was forced to fight.
The second reason is that I actually found most of Chaels trash talk to be extremely funny. Mostly because I didn't think that he could back it up, but he went so far with it that I started to lterally fear for him. I was absolutely certain that Anderson would destry him within 2 rounds tops and I'm a sucker for the underdog.
As it turned out, the fight wasn't the mis-match that I and many others expected it to be and it was highly entertaining to watch.
There's something else I want to mention about the fight though. Afterwards during the interview Anderson said he hurt his ribs not long before the fight. During the press conference, Suarez said that Anderson had actually gone in with broken ribs which I find very hard to believe.
I'm not saying that he wouldn't take a fight with broken ribs, but there's no way he would have been able to take Sonnen on to of him..punching said ribs for 23 and a half minutes.
I've broken my ribs twice, and I simply do not believe that it would have been possible for silva to fight the way he did with Broken ribs for so long and then throw his legs up in the air for a triangle/armbar at the end. I just don't believe it.
Bruised maybe, broken or cracked...NO!
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 15:42 Post subject: |
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I see no reason to disbelieve what Anderson said. He's just a different type of individual than you or I. They train full-contact at Black House all the time, full-stop, every day of the week. This makes for some extremely well-conditioned and extremely tough athletes like Big Nog, Little Nog, Junior Dos Santos, and Anderson Silva. MMA-fighters are some of the most resilient people in the world, their bodies are honed to sustain damage that would make a normal person, or even most professional fighters cry.
I think it was obvious that Anderson was out of it even before the first round started. He didn't look the same, he didn't have the same confidence and stance he usually has, and he always takes 30 seconds or more to "scan" the opponent if you will. This fight he went straight at Chael, which is uncharacteristic of him. So either the mindgames worked, or something else was up. He doesn't need to tell people about the ribs either, he won the fight. Had it been any other fighter, then everyone would've cheered them on for pulling a win like that, but because it's Anderson who usually dominates every fight, it's different.
Chael said it during the post-interview that he believed what Anderson said, that he (Anderson) was out of shape, because he felt it during the fight. He believed Anderson, and had really no reason to.
Some people just have endless thresholds of pain, and especially during fights where the adrenaline works as a sort of morphine.
Just look at Anderson post-fight, he's not happy, he's not bruised, he's not even breathing heavily (especially at the post-fight interview he looks as if it's pre-fight). His condition was great, it was something else entirely that affected him I believe.
This shouldn't take anything away from Chael, I sincerely believe that even a fully healthy Anderson would have severe trouble with Chael, and with the experience Chael now has in fighting Anderson he can only improve. I want round 6 now.
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mag2005
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 17:08 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: |
It was a triangle AND an armbar. Armbars aren't only done from the side. |
I was wrong.
I watch the ending again this morning. Silva initially got Sonnen in a triangle. It was deep as Silva was pushing Sonnen's head down. Sonnen decided to step his right foot in to break free and Silva caught his left arm and hyper extended it.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 17:44 Post subject: |
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I wish the fighters all had the humbleness of Randy Couture and Anderson. He showed much respect to Chael after the fight.
Cudos to Chael for doing exactly what he said he would do... take the fight to Anderson for 5 rounds. He did just that. i think I enjoyed this UFC card more than any other in recent memory.
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