Top 10 reasons NVIDIA wins and ATI sucks
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 19:06    Post subject: Top 10 reasons NVIDIA wins and ATI sucks
Ok, who nerd raged already?
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 19:16    Post subject:
I'll just paste my complete list of graphics cards I've used since 1995:

Cirrus Logic 5430 512kb (2D only, no 3D)
Matrox Mystique 2Mb (2d/crappy 3d)
Voodoo2 12mb (3d only, connected to 2d-card with cable)
Voodoo3 3000 16mb AGP
Voodoo5 5500 64mb AGP
Kyro II 64mb AGP
Geforce4 Ti4200 AGP
ATI Radeon 9800SE
Geforce 6800GT AGP
Geforce 6800GS PCI-Express
ATI Radeon X1900XT(X)
Geforce 8800GT
ATI Radeon HD4870 PCS+
ATI Radeon HD4890

It should be fairly easy to realise I'm not a brand fag in any way (well, except for being a 3dfx fan waaaaaay back!!!!). Wink


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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 19:25    Post subject:
They both have their ups and downs. I don't like nvidia's corporate douchery while ati acts like the little guys trying to make it but I like nvidias driver support hell and control panel a lot better.

As for the cards themselves, doesn't matter what card sucks, they always go back and forth. Nvidia used to be the king, then ati, then nvidia now it's ati. pretty soon nvidia will release something that'll take the throne from ati again.


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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 20:05    Post subject:
No idea if my next card will be a ATI 6000 or NVIDIA GT5 or what they'll call those but driver wise both have had (And still have.) issues and both involve themselves with certain games and try to gain advantages via various means.

I prefer third party solutions when available though, current model is a ATI 4890 from Sapphire with Vapor-X technology and extra RAM, better components as well but they've tried to cut expenses on later models like the ATI 5000 series Vapor-X module so I don't know how they are now.
(Cooling is very similar to ATI's standard system but far quieter and it cools down much faster plus it's overclocked somewhat but not the quality of the top-end models so overclocking can't reach much higher than what is set already though there is some room.)

Other companies go extreme though like Asus taking two RV790 or what they're called (5870) GPU's and making a 5890 board with full clock speeds or even overclocked further plus high quality components and heavy cooling but premium priced and limited quantity though somehow it still sells.
(1000$ I think the price was, funny how Intel does the same when you can get a i7 930 or something and clock it to 4Ghz with a mid-end cooling solution and paste for less than half that, haha.)

Then there's upcoming stuff like a company that made a single slot GT470 via some experimental cooling solution or two GT470 GPU's at one board though I haven't heard much about those in a while.
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 20:29    Post subject:
You mean this:





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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 20:33    Post subject:
My experience with drivers:

nVidia: Quite nice actually. SLI-support is better. Fast response on problems. Issues with stability at times (with certain drivers)

ATI: Single GPU - perfect drivers, never had any issues (I don't play BFBC2). Crossfire - crap. Different release schedule, regular monthly releases.

The main difference in my experience is that ATI drivers are perfect for single GPU systems while Crossfire systems always suffer. nV drivers have a much better track record for SLI setups. And that's really the only difference that matters between vendors as far as drivers are concerned.

Some people will mention "profiles" and stuff, but I never used the built-in stuff, I used 3rd party tools for that on both nV and ATI.

Suggestion: if you want close to flawless multil-GPU support, go nV. if you're not interested in multi-GPU gaming, go with best price/performance, where ATI had an edge. The 460 is apparently a good budget card but I haven't really checked it out. I still want a refreshed/updated 5870 (waiting for the fall releases before making a decision on what to get).


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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 20:33    Post subject:
That's a sexy package for a GFX card.... Surprised


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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 20:38    Post subject:
Prefetian wrote:
That's a sexy package for a GFX card.... Surprised


And it will only cost you the equivalent of your first born son's college education Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 20:39    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 20:43    Post subject:
The sad thing is: the performance of that card isn't anything mind blowing... But if you have the money to spend Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:03    Post subject:
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The sad thing is: the performance of that card isn't anything mind blowing... But if you have the money to spend Very Happy


Eh? It's a pair of 5870s running off a single board, how is that not impressive? (except for the uber-retarded price, of course!)
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:10    Post subject:
So it's basically a single-board beefed up variant of the 5970?

Seems Far Cry 2 really loves ARES. With 8x AA @ 1920x1200:



Full review here. It trade blows with 480-SLI and 2x5870.


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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:16    Post subject:
... and it still draws less power than a GTX480 Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:26    Post subject:
Just wait for Asus's dual GTX480 gpu MarsII..
Engineering madness. it's going to have some interesting reviews.


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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Aug 2010 21:33    Post subject:
I know why both suck, does that count?
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 04:29    Post subject:
They both suck and all of you suck and the universe sucks. So we're all sucking
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 05:58    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
So it's basically a single-board beefed up variant of the 5970?

Seems Far Cry 2 really loves ARES. With 8x AA @ 1920x1200:



Full review here. It trade blows with 480-SLI and 2x5870.


Just what i base my gfx card buying with..

FAR CRY 2 BENCHMARKS.
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 11:15    Post subject:
Frant wrote:

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Kyro II 64mb AGP
Geforce4 Ti4200 AGP
...


Were you in a coma in the meantime or something? Very Happy

The proper order should be:

Kyro2
TNT
TNT2
GF2GTS
GF3 Ti200
GF4 Ti4200
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 11:53    Post subject:
man that geforce 2 was something ! T & L !





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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 11:54    Post subject:
So the useless ATI versus Nvidia discussion came to the void uhh?
Hmm I guess it's where it belongs Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 13:03    Post subject:
Oh how I long for the times when noone gave a shit what videocard you had, all that mattered was how many colours it supported, and which resolutions Sad

On the other hand, back then soundcards were treated the way videocards are now Razz
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 14:04    Post subject:
DirectX 7 doesn't currently work on nVidia cards, works with Ati cards though.
So you can still play Gothic II, Freelancer and other games on Ati, but not on nVidia.
This is currently the number one reason why nVidia sucks.
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 14:06    Post subject:
Whoa whoa whoa... hold the phone. DX7 doesn't work? No Freelancer on MY GTX460s? Fuck THAT then! Methinks I'll be sticking to a 5870 or something instead >_>
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 14:08    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa... hold the phone. DX7 doesn't work? No Freelancer on MY GTX460s? Fuck THAT then! Methinks I'll be sticking to a 5870 or something instead >_>

Not until the 260 driver version. They're currently at 258 whql and 259 development.
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 14:08    Post subject:
DX7 works just fine. Confused
NFS3, NFS4, NFS5 all work...
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 14:09    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
DX7 works just fine. Confused
NFS3, NFS4, NFS5 all work...

Not on games that use dithering. Thief II, Freelancer, Gothic etc.
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