I wish the fighters all had the humbleness of Randy Couture and Anderson. He showed much respect to Chael after the fight.
Cudos to Chael for doing exactly what he said he would do... take the fight to Anderson for 5 rounds. He did just that. i think I enjoyed this UFC card more than any other in recent memory.
Comes with age, most younger fighters have higher testosterone levels and let the fights get to their head. Then there are those who don't care about the game at all, and are forced to fight in Strikeforce (Nick Diaz for example).
I wish the fighters all had the humbleness of Randy Couture and Anderson. He showed much respect to Chael after the fight.
Cudos to Chael for doing exactly what he said he would do... take the fight to Anderson for 5 rounds. He did just that. i think I enjoyed this UFC card more than any other in recent memory.
What humbleness are you talking about. He completely disrespected his previous opponents during and after fights. The only difference in this fight, he was getting tooled for most of the fight so it would be really hard for him to talk shit about Chael.
Overall I really enjoyed the fight card (maybe its because I actually paid for it), minus the horribly uninteresting fight of Thiago vs Fitch.
Nelson really has a heart to go along with that belly. He took some serious power shots from JDS, and still kept coming and even throwing his own. But he was visibly tired by the end of 2nd.
Guida is his usual self with restless fighting style.
Hughes showed that he is still relevant, and has a lot of fight left in him, something you cant say about all the previous champs.
Chael is a viking warrior! Finally someone that can back up his trash talk, should have won really but jiu-jitsu seems almost unfair sometimes, but that's the risk you take when you are a wrestler going against someone who has a black belt in JJ, 2 minutes from being the champ, must be devastating on Sonnen.
Anderson just lost his 'untouchable' aura like his friend Machida in his first fight against Shogun, if he doesn't retire he will probably loose in the next two fights.
Nobody can stand with Dos Santos except maybe 'Light out' Toney, he's too good.
Fitch-St.Pierre will be the most boring fight ever.
I get the feeling the Gracie academy is short of recruits
Our school here is pretty packed.
EDIT: hehe I see what you mean now.
You watched the end haven't you
It's such a great marketing gimmick for them, practically sells itself, got busted up the whole match then uses a white belt jiu-jitsu move to turn it all around in a matter of seconds.
I get the feeling the Gracie academy is short of recruits
Our school here is pretty packed.
EDIT: hehe I see what you mean now.
You watched the end haven't you
It's such a great marketing gimmick for them, practically sells itself, got busted up the whole match then uses a white belt jiu-jitsu move to turn it all around in a matter of seconds.
Yeah i watched till the end after I had posted my initial comment.
Well, it's the truth. You learn a triangle choke pretty freaking soon after you start. Everything they said is the truth. At least they are marketing on truth I suppose.
Jiu Jitsu is pretty freakin sweet. But wrestlers always have a place in my heart though. Hardest sport there is. Hard to understand unless you've done it.
1 stripe purple belt in JiuJitsu (good grief this takes FOREVER hahah)
And Fedor losing to the same move. A bit different with him though, he lost to a 2xJiu jitsu World Champion and a European Jiu-jitsu champion, obviously the best jiu-jitsu dude in mma while Silva merely has a black belt, you probably can't even enter one of these tournaments unless you have at least a black belt.
* Champ Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal (203.75) vs. Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante (203.5)
* Tim Kennedy (185) vs. Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza (184.75)
* Jorge Gurgel (154.75) vs. K.J. Noons (156.25)+
* Chad Griggs (228.5) vs. Bobby Lashley (246)
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* Daniel Cormier (249) vs. Jason Riley (256.5)
* Andre Galvao (170.75) vs. Jorge Patino ()^
* Rocky Long (146.25) vs. Vinicius "Draculino" Magalhaes (144.5)
* Kier Gooch (155.5) vs. Adam Schindler (155.5)
* Jose Santibanez (154.25) vs. Reynaldo Trujillo (155.25)
* Humberto DeLeon (127.25) vs. Chad Robichaux (131)*
* Chad Cook (205.25) vs. Arteneus Young (204)
** From mmajunkie
Not a lot of big names, but it could be interesting. Penn vs Edgar 2 is next week.
Feijao is a tough fighter but I feel like King Mo is going to grind out a decision again like against Mousasi. Lashley needs to step up and fight some real heavyweights already.
Lashley lost to Griggs lol. Griggs haven't fought in over a year. Lashley was cut badly under his left eye and gassed after round 1. After round 2 he was exhausted and gave up even though he might have been up 2-0 due to takedowns. Lashley have no striking/sub techniques. He's carrying too much muscle mass and we all know muscle need a lot of oxygen. Lashley is a bust and he haven't even fought any real heavyweight yet.
Wow, Faijao beat King Mo in R3. Both Lashley and King Mo suffered their first loss in MMA. This is why I watch and love MMA; the upsets and unpredictability. 2-2 tonight
Jacare played safe tonight. His standup is getting better but we'll see how good he is as a champ against Hendo.
The gater is really becoming an mma fighter rather than just a bjj guy, great to see. Mo & Lashley got exposed !! Knoons pulled off a beautiful soccer kick KO & got away with it, pure GOLD.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
I thought Noons accidentally knee Gurgel when the stupid ref doesn't know when to stop the fight. It was only a glancing knee.
I don't think King Mo got exposed or anything. I thought he fought like Mayweather with his stance. He would come in and do some punches and back out like boxing. He had some nice slams on Faijao but couldn't keep him down. He underestimated Faijao's punching power. He ate some heavy punches and was still standing, but the repeated elbows by Faijao was nasty.
Lashley on the other hand I agree got exposed. He have way too much muscles. He look freaky like Pudz. I am sure he was on some HGH to get his size. He only have wrestling skill and too 1 dimensional.
No drug testing for the event, which is odd.
I heard Sengoku 14 was was good but I didn't watch it.
* Champ Frankie Edgar (154) vs. B.J. Penn (154) - for lightweight title
* Randy Couture (220) vs. James Toney (237)
* Kenny Florian (156) vs. Gray Maynard (156)
* Marcus Davis (170) vs. Nate Diaz (171)
* Demian Maia (184) vs. Mario Miranda (185)
Bold - Odds favorites to win
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* Nik Lentz (155) vs. Andre Winner (154)
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I am more interested in the Couture vs Toney fight than the championship fight. It'll be two old former champs from two different sports, MMA vs boxing, fighting each other, obviously not a first. Couture has the experience inside the cage but Toney has better hands and power. One hit to Couture's head is all it take to get Couture to the ground. Couture is good at working guys on the fence. He'll try some dirty boxing against the fence if he can't get an early takedown. I don't think Couture can knock Toney out.
Edgar vs Penn fight is tough to pick. Edgar is a smart fighter and so is Penn. It could very well play out like the first fight. Maybe Penn will let Edgar take him down and try for a sub win. Penn has more striking power and he's not going to be knockout. Edgar can try and grind out a win with boxing.
Notes: Maynard is 9-0 with 7 decision victories with 2 being split-decisions. Miranda is 10-1 with subs skills and power.
Picks - Penn, Toney, Florian, Diaz, and Maia. Toney being the upset.
2-3 tonight. I shouldn't doubt Captain America. I didn't think he work on subs. Penn is no longer in my top 3 LW with consecutive losses. Penn seem to be out of it.
Edgar vs Penn II
Edgar make BJ Penn look silly. Edgar totally worked BJ Penn. Edgar was better on the ground and feet. He took Penn down several times in the first round and have no problem doing so in later rounds. Penn took Edgar down a couple time in later rounds but Edgar were able to reversed them. BJ didn't throw a single low kicks to slow Edgar down. FOTN IMO. Edgar is #1 until he can revenge his loss against Maynard. Maynard is next for a title shot.
Couture vs Toney
Couture with early TD and GNP. He couldn't put Toney away so he tried an arm triangle. The first one wasn't tight but the second one make Toney tapped. Not a good night for Toney coming out with a Kmart sponsored shirt LOL. He should've come out with a Walmart shirt instead.
Maia vs Miranda
Maia had no problem taking Miranda down and controlling him. Maia dominated on the ground. He tried some subs but Miranda was able to escaped them.
Maynard vs Florian
Maynard dominated Florian with TDs and grind out a decision. Florian just don't know how to fight on his back.
Diaz vs Davis
Diaz controlled the fight with his reach. Davis bleed easily in fight. Diaz with a guillotine in the 3rd.
Fights to watch - title fight, Couture tapping Toney and Diaz vs Davis.
Amazing performance by Edgar. He made those takedowns look easy, and that is a feat in itself against Penn. Thought Penn would finish it quickly, but after that first round he looked beaten.
Thought it wasnt that Couture couldnt finish, its that he didnt know what he should use against helpless Toney. Hopefully some big caliber boxer steps up, because Toney is not relevant now, or has been for many years and everyone knows it was just for a paycheck. Too bad some clueless fans will now base their arguments of mma vs boxing on that fight.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
Toney spend 9 months on TD defense and he learned nothing lol. I thought with his size advantages he would be able to stuff a takedown. He basically let Couture take him down with ease looking like a noob. He didn't know how to move or escape an arm triangle either. I was wrong. On feet, I think Toney would win for sure.
Disappointing, didn't even threw one punch, what have you been doing for 9 months Ton?
I think these type of matchups are out of the question for him now, they should give him a kickboxer who knows shit about ground game, Pat Barry would be ideal.
Edgar dominated Penn in every possible aspect, amazing.
Toney is not relevant now, or has been for many years and everyone knows it was just for a paycheck. Too bad some clueless fans will now base their arguments of mma vs boxing on that fight.
Yeah... well. . . it isnt the first time a boxer has been in an MMA fight nor is it the first time a boxer has been in a UFC event.
Boxer Art Jimmerson fought in UFC 1. And he was no can. He was a solid journeyman fighter, best known for an exciting win over light heavyweight Lenny LaPaglia in 1988. Since that big win, Jimmerson had taken 15 in a row and was in line for the biggest fight of his life-a main event shot at the legendary Tommy "Hitman" Hearns.
Jimmerson said, "How in the world do you think Royce is going to beat me when I’m flicking out a jab? He can’t get past that." We went into a back ballroom area and I grabbed him in a double leg and put him on the ground. He looked up at me and said, "Oh, my God. He’s going to break my arms and legs, isn’t he?"
Going into the tournament, I was told he was an easy fighter and he doesn't really punch that hard, but they never really told me he was a world champion of his art," laments Jimmerson. "I had no ground training, I just went in as a fighter, thinking I would knock this guy out with one punch. If I went in there with someone like [fellow striker] Pat Smith I think it would've turned out different on my turf. With Royce, I was fighting a new champion.
Melton Bowen lost in UFC 3 angainst Steve Jennum.
At the time, Melton Bowen was the WBF Intercontinental Heavyweight champion with 24 KO's in 37 pro fights. Steve Jennum was a policeman and black belt in jiu jitsu.
Steve Jenum took him down, and pounded on him, eventually getting an arm bar.
Then we have James Warring. Warring, who held two minor versions of the world cruiserweight title, competed in the one-and-only World Combat Championship pay-per-view tournament on October 17, 1995. In the days of styles vs. styles, Warring first beat kickboxer Jerome Turcan. Then, in a grueling 16:08 fight, in which Warring used hair pulling (legal at the time) to keep Paulsen under control, he upset Erik Paulson, a notable shootfighter in Japan. But in the finals, Warring was choked out in 2:47 by Renzo Gracie. Warring wasn't just a boxer, he had high level kickboxing experience and once faced future boxing champ Vitali Klitschko.
And then of course, any true fan would know about Muhammad Ali and his venture into MMA in 1976 against Antonio Inoki.
In 1976 "The Greatest" was in his second reign as world heavyweight champion. In the previous two years he had defeated the likes of George Foreman and Joe Frazier. On June 26 he engaged in a battle with a Japanese professional wrestler called Antonio Inoki at the Budokan Arena, Tokyo. For all the wrong reasons their encounter would become almost as famous as ‘The Rumble in the Jungle' and in ‘The Thriller in Manila'.
The fight was actually supposed to be a professional wrestling match. While many in the boxing media questioned Ali's decision to take the match, feeling professional wrestling would sully his reputation, there were six million reasons for him to do so. Before this fight, Ali's biggest boxing pay day had been just $5 million. A fake pro wrestling match with Inoki would bring in more than that-without the risk of being punched in the head repeatedly.The plan was simple. Ali would dominate Inoki and make him bleed with punches. Concerned for his downed opponent, Ali would ask the referee to stop the fight. While his back was turned, Inoki would strike-kicking him in the back of the head with his famous enzuigiri kick. Ali would look strong and be the hero, despite losing. Inoki would carve out a niche as a foreign villian on a planned tour of America's wrestling hotbeds.
The match was supposed to be scripted, with Ali losing. At the last minute, Ali got cold feet and the match almost fell apart. To save the event, Inoki agreed to fight for real, with a rule set that was akin to fighting in a straitjacket. Inoki couldn’t punch because he wasn’t wearing gloves. He couldn’t kick while standing. He couldn’t use throws, nor use any submissions. So he spent 15 rounds laying on his back throwing kicks to Ali’s legs. The match, officially called a draw, was a farce, but in Japan it is considered one of the most famous pro wrestling matches ever, as well as the birth of mixed martial arts.
Ali never collected his six million. He had to settle for $2.1 million and was lucky to get even that considering the financial losses. Worse, physically he was never the same. Inoki's 65 leg kicks took their toll. Ali was hosipitilzed after the fight and was never the same boxer again. His legs were gone-his mental faculties would soon follow.
There's more to base it on than just James Toney.
1 stripe purple belt in JiuJitsu (good grief this takes FOREVER hahah)
I said relevant now, dont see a point in listing 30 year old fights. Plus, those are not very big names except Ali of course (why even mention him though, it says right in the description Inoki is a professional wrestler who spent his career pretending to fight). Relevant names now would be Pacman, Shane, Klitcho, and Floyd just to list a very few big names. If those fight in MMA now, it would have a much, much bigger relevance since those guys are nearly in their prime, unlike Toney who came over weight and several years out of his prime.
You cant really talk about early UFCs without mentioning at how clueless people were about BJJ. Not only boxers fell to Gracie's, but everyone else including Shamrocks and many wrestlers.
And now the fights would be not about which sport is tougher, but how well does a person transition from one to another. Obviously not many MMA practitioners would fare well against a professional boxer in a purely boxing match, and the opposite is true. Randy didnt exactly decided to stand up and prove that MMA has superior strikers, he did exactly what everyone thought would happen and go to Toney's weakness. And Floyd would not go for a submission, he would train takedown defense and quick escapes to keep it on the feet.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
Im not trying to say Boxing is worse than MMa or what not.
Just saying boxers have done it before and unless they learn some ground defense, it turns out the same every time unless someone wants to stand and strike with them. Tim Silva?
Of course Randy went for his weakness. He isn't stupid. The stupid one is Toney.
It's an MMA fight. Of course a wrestler is going to go for the take down.
Listing matches from the past is indeed relevant. Boxing hasn't changed much last I checked. Neither has jiu-jitsu.
I dont care who you put in there. If a boxer goes in there with nothing but boxing, he is going to get his ass handed to him 9 times out of 10. Hell Kimbo took Ray Mercer down. Lol.
And they shot Randy did... lol. The low single ankle pic... my 15 year old son who wrestles would counter that in a heart beat. But Randy said he did what he thought would be effective against Toney and it was. Toney would whip Randy in a boxing ring. But Toney would die in a street fight.
Boxers need to stick with boxing and MMA guys need to stick with MMA. If youre going to come to MMA, then learn how to be an MMA fighter. I don't think very many MMA guys could be pure boxers in a boxing ring.
I wish Floyd Mayweather would come to MMA.
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