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| Ronhrin wrote: | I don't consider anyone to be scum, expect scum and religious people  |
It's not them when you have one right here, and he just so happens to be a member of this forum for over 5 years!
I actually know why specifically, you see "me" as scum.
btw: Give people all the personal liberties as long as they don't interfere with the freedom of someone else, regulate companies.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:08 Post subject: |
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If you're frustrated, I'm cold as a fish, and I couldn't give a shit.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:15 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:16 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | | it's called democracy |
No it's not, Democracy fundamentally takes the freedoms from minorities!
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:18 Post subject: |
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I took your short political quiz and actually it fit's very well to what I think
| Quote: | | Liberals usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles. |
yay save the wales
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:21 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | FireMaster wrote: | | it's called democracy |
No it's not, Democracy fundamentally takes the freedoms from minorities! |
If this were true the civil rights movement(s) in America would have never done anything. Nor would have women's suffrage ever become true. (Women couldn't even fucking vote, or hold office. Yet, they managed to get things changed because of democracy.)
The bottom line is that democracy is a good middle-ground, and things can be changed.
In the end, at least here in America, it tends to work out. The republican party and crazy right fuckers act as the 'policemen' on the highway. Think of the highway being progress. They keep the crazy fuckers all the way to the left from speeding down the highway and causing their own set of problems. In the end, a nice middle ground is achieved due to this and the average middle-class person doesn't get fucked.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:24 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | FireMaster wrote: | | it's called democracy |
No it's not, Democracy fundamentally takes the freedoms from minorities! |
If this were true the civil rights movement(s) in America would have never done anything.
The bottom line is that democracy is a good middle-ground, and things can be changed. |
I'm not saying that Democracy is worst than Fascism or Communism, it is an evolution, indeed, but it is hardly a moral solution!
Only Anarchism/Libertarianism are absolute moral solutions for society!
On the political spectrum that I posted on the first page, true morality only starts above social democracy!
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:27 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: |
No it's not, Democracy fundamentally takes the freedoms from minorities! |
If this were true the civil rights movement(s) in America would have never done anything.
The bottom line is that democracy is a good middle-ground, and things can be changed. |
I'm not saying that Democracy is worst than Fascism or Communism, it is an evolution, indeed, but it is hardly a moral solution!
Only Anarchism/Libertarianism are absolute moral solutions for society!
On the political spectrum that I posted on the first page, true morality only starts above social democracy! |
Absolute moral solutions?
That has to be one of the most arrogant sounding ideas ever. There is no 'absolute moral solution'.
Thank black Jesus for democracy. Otherwise i'd have people like you forcing your 'absolute moral solution' on me.
Even though you beleive in 'no government' you keep missing the fact that if you had no government, you still haven't removed the problem of the sloth, and greed in people. You'll have people that will force their will on you without any oversight in an anarchy. It's the way the world has always worked. At least in a democracy you have a somewhat fighting chance against that shit.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:28 Post subject: |
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Quite in the middle of the left. I was against cutting taxes, i think that was the thing why I'm not more in the upper of left...
But that question sucked anyways. Cause taxes are too high and you can't trust the people working for the government to misuse them for their own interests. Just take a look at all the corruption when it comes to street repairs and whatever...
And regarding military: I think some countries still need them, though a world without would be a place I'd like to live. What happens when you live in a state with too much police and military power displayed the turkeys of the 1980s. Riots between left and right youth exploded and military intervened to stop the killings.
But instead of having fair trials they just caught whomever they could and tortured them (some until they died). The only thing that was important for them was "one from the left, one from the right. we should keep this equal" ...
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:30 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Mchart wrote: |
If this were true the civil rights movement(s) in America would have never done anything.
The bottom line is that democracy is a good middle-ground, and things can be changed. |
I'm not saying that Democracy is worst than Fascism or Communism, it is an evolution, indeed, but it is hardly a moral solution!
Only Anarchism/Libertarianism are absolute moral solutions for society!
On the political spectrum that I posted on the first page, true morality only starts above social democracy! |
Absolute moral solutions?
That has to be one of the most arrogant sounding ideas ever. There is no 'absolute moral solution'.
Thank black Jesus for democracy. Otherwise i'd have people like you forcing your 'absolute moral solution' on me. |
The thing is, in Anarchy you don't have anyone forcing anything on you.
On a Democracy we have your outdated oppressive system forcing their will upon the rest of us!
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:31 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | Quite in the middle of the left. I was against cutting taxes, i think that was the thing why I'm not more in the upper of left...
But that question sucked anyways. Cause taxes are too high and you can't trust the people working for the government to misuse them for their own interests. Just take a look at all the corruption when it comes to street repairs and whatever...
And regarding military: I think some countries still need them, though a world without would be a place I'd like to live. What happens when you live in a state with too much police and military power displayed the turkeys of the 1980s. Riots between left and right youth exploded and military intervened to stop the killings.
But instead of having fair trials they just caught whomever they could and tortured them (some until they died). The only thing that was important for them was "one from the left, one from the right. we should keep this equal" ... |
The question about military was about it should be free or forced, and you answered forced, right?
That's the thing, nobody should be forced, to do anything they don't want!
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:32 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: |
I'm not saying that Democracy is worst than Fascism or Communism, it is an evolution, indeed, but it is hardly a moral solution!
Only Anarchism/Libertarianism are absolute moral solutions for society!
On the political spectrum that I posted on the first page, true morality only starts above social democracy! |
Absolute moral solutions?
That has to be one of the most arrogant sounding ideas ever. There is no 'absolute moral solution'.
Thank black Jesus for democracy. Otherwise i'd have people like you forcing your 'absolute moral solution' on me. |
The thing is, in Anarchy you don't have anyone forcing anything on you.
On a Democracy we have your outdated oppressive system forcing their will upon the rest of us! |
See my edit.
In an anarchy it would be a step backwords. You would most definatly having people force their will on you. Anarchy won't solve the fundamental issues present in humans.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:32 Post subject: |
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the guys that videos shows are not anarchsits ,they try to be but they are used by goverments they are not actuall anarchists
anarchists is the antiauthoritarians
in greek is called αναρχικος wich comes from αναρχια
so anarchist = anarxikos
anarchy = anarxia
now the word anarxia has two words the word an that means something like the english un
example( protected UNprotected) its like the negative meaning infront of the word
and the word arxi
arxi has two meanings arxi= the start or the begining
and the meaning arxi =authority
so an anarchist is the antiauthoritarian
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| Ronhrin wrote: |
The question about military was about it should be free or forced, and you answered forced, right?
That's the thing, nobody should be forced, to do anything they don't want! |
I said maybe. Because if you only take the people into the military who want to pew pew, you'll have a lot of derps with guns. Force some people with reason in there to keep the balance |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:34 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | Quite in the middle of the left. I was against cutting taxes, i think that was the thing why I'm not more in the upper of left...
But that question sucked anyways. Cause taxes are too high and you can't trust the people working for the government to misuse them for their own interests. Just take a look at all the corruption when it comes to street repairs and whatever...
And regarding military: I think some countries still need them, though a world without would be a place I'd like to live. What happens when you live in a state with too much police and military power displayed the turkeys of the 1980s. Riots between left and right youth exploded and military intervened to stop the killings.
But instead of having fair trials they just caught whomever they could and tortured them (some until they died). The only thing that was important for them was "one from the left, one from the right. we should keep this equal" ... |
The question about military was about it should be free or forced, and you answered forced, right?
That's the thing, nobody should be forced, to do anything they don't want! |
A military draft is useless as all it does is require people to join the ranks of the military that are fucking idiots. It took YEARS after the vietnam war for the US military to clean itself up because of all the fucking idiots, and crooks in the military.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:36 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: |
The question about military was about it should be free or forced, and you answered forced, right?
That's the thing, nobody should be forced, to do anything they don't want! |
I said maybe. Because if you only take the people into the military who want to pew pew, you'll have a lot of derps with guns. Force some people with reason in there to keep the balance |
If you honestly beleive that the people who join the military on a volunteer basis only do it to shoot people - You are just as bad.
The US is an all volunteer military, and most people do it for the education, money, and benefits.
You also fail to realize that 90%+ of the jobs in the military are support roles, and most never touch a firearm in their entire career besides in basic training.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:41 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Mchart wrote: |
If this were true the civil rights movement(s) in America would have never done anything.
The bottom line is that democracy is a good middle-ground, and things can be changed. |
I'm not saying that Democracy is worst than Fascism or Communism, it is an evolution, indeed, but it is hardly a moral solution!
Only Anarchism/Libertarianism are absolute moral solutions for society!
On the political spectrum that I posted on the first page, true morality only starts above social democracy! |
Absolute moral solutions?
That has to be one of the most arrogant sounding ideas ever. There is no 'absolute moral solution'.
Thank black Jesus for democracy. Otherwise i'd have people like you forcing your 'absolute moral solution' on me.
Even though you beleive in 'no government' you keep missing the fact that if you had no government, you still haven't removed the problem of the sloth, and greed in people. You'll have people that will force their will on you without any oversight in an anarchy. It's the way the world has always worked. At least in a democracy you have a somewhat fighting chance against that shit. |
See, but greed most of the times is feed by the idea that you can rise your hierarchic status or power influence within society.
If society is constructed without hierarchy, you can report any authoritarian imposition towards you!
On Anarchic society you have institutions called DRO, dispute resolution organization, which, although without any form of hierarchical power (unlike tribunals) will mediate through regional law and public hearing, who is right or wrong in a given dispute!
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 20:44 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: |
The question about military was about it should be free or forced, and you answered forced, right?
That's the thing, nobody should be forced, to do anything they don't want! |
I said maybe. Because if you only take the people into the military who want to pew pew, you'll have a lot of derps with guns. Force some people with reason in there to keep the balance |
If you honestly beleive that the people who join the military on a volunteer basis only do it to shoot people - You are just as bad.
The US is an all volunteer military, and most people do it for the education, money, and benefits.
You also fail to realize that 90%+ of the jobs in the military are support roles, and most never touch a firearm in their entire career besides in basic training. |
I support self defense, what I don't support is government enforced "self defense" there's a great difference between living in a community where you have the ability to defend yourself, because you have training and access to weapons, as opposed to living in a nation state where decisions concerning defense issues are done behind closed doors with secondary interests in it's core!
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