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| Neither, they both suck. |
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tywyn
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 Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 13:22 Post subject: FIFA 11 or PES 2011? |
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Just a quick poll to establish what the forum preference is for this years iterations.
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Aeon
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 13:39 Post subject: |
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FIFA.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 13:39 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 13:49 Post subject: |
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PES
>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ♪ Viva La Vida ♪ <<<<<< <<<<< <<<<<< <<<
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 13:52 Post subject: |
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Where's the "you suck" option in that poll?
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ixigia
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 13:52 Post subject: |
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Fifa 11 hands down this year.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 14:07 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 14:08 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 14:12 Post subject: |
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Fifa 2011 xbox360 version+following controls: everything on semi-manual except crosses (manual) and through passes (automatic)+world class difficulty= most realistic football game ever made.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 14:17 Post subject: |
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I dont play, although all my friends prefer PES. I always tell them that most people consider FIFA better (for the last couple of iterations at least), but they just keep playing new PES instead of FIFA, claiming FIFA is crap. Most of them play in real life on a pretty regular basis.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 14:21 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | | I dont play, although all my friends prefer PES. I always tell them that most people consider FIFA better (for the last couple of iterations at least), but they just keep playing new PES instead of FIFA, claiming FIFA is crap. Most of them play in real life on a pretty regular basis. |
that soudns awfully familiar O.o
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 14:30 Post subject: |
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Some people are just stubborn, if it was like that a few years ago doesn't mean the same rules still apply.
I was a pes fan as well, but converted like many who tried both games and then made a verdict.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 14:35 Post subject: |
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Many people are still sticked to PES because it's easier and more accessible to pick up and play, especially with noob friends. 
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 14:46 Post subject: |
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Whatever, I think fifa with controls on automatic is more friendly. Not to mention easy.
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BLaM!
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 16:47 Post subject: |
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FIFA 11 this year for me... 
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 20:31 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | | Many people are still sticked to PES because it's easier and more accessible to pick up and play, especially with noob friends. |
Obvious troll is obvious.
FIFA gets the flow of the game, but it's not a simulation. A simulation actually factors in the attributes of each individual player and by their own admission FIFA only takes into account strength, speed and stamina. Even then you'll be wondering whether it makes a difference (and newsflash; it doesn't). That kind of depth is what a PES fan craves, demands, expects. They don't get it with FIFA, they never have. It's why people spend hundreds of hours pouring over what amounts to spreadsheets in Football Manager, and spend much less time if at all playing FIFA manager. That, typically, is what a PES fan is.
Of course that doesn't mean a PES fan can't enjoy FIFA for what FIFA is - and always has been - but by the same token they can't play FIFA with any expectation of it filling the void. FIFA doesn't provide the same sort of experience. It's offering something different, not better, not the same.
The fact it's now in a position to stand on its own two feet and not rely purely on the license is a good thing, but it doesn't change the story. PES is still PES and FIFA is still FIFA.
Personally, I'm bored of this generations FIFA. It's a good game, and I'll be playing it regardless, but there aren't enough improvements over the previous versions to excite me. I'm looking forward to PES 2011 though.
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Gormadok
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 21:17 Post subject: |
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i played both on pc.
in fifa most (if not all) of actions are sprint from the middle of field to the box and shot near goalie.
in pes every action is different. ofcourse there are also through passes which lead you to 1on1 but its not happening everytime. besides there is really hard to score 2 or more same goals and computer players can shoot from outside the box. i played 1-player-careers in both fifa and pes and i prefer pes. even if fifa players arrange more realistic attacks, even if pes players are often going with ball outside the side lines, even if they are fail in dribbles against 2 or 3 opponents gameplay is much better than that in fifa. im just bored doing same actions, waiting for 4 or more players from my team and waiting till opponents players lose ball in the box instead of shooting from outside.
thats my opinion. perhaps fifa for consoles is great but for pc is a crap for lame kids who want to win 12-4 playing 2x10mins and scoring 10 goals watching themselves running from the middle of pitch
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 21:30 Post subject: |
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I used to be a winning eleven / pes fan back in the playstation 2 days, but ever since the next gen consoles ps3/xbox 360 , I converted to Fifa and have never looked back since then.
no doubt that winning eleven / pes clearly ruled during the playstation 2 days, but in ps3/xbox 360, fifa took over.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 21:33 Post subject: |
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| madnessnaab wrote: | Yep. that's what I always disliked about FIFA. All players are the same.
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That's the biggest load of crap I've read yet and it's quite the opposite, in fifa players have their dribbling skills, 5 stars or less where some players are unable to perform certain dribbles and some are, traits and of this year, only on consoles or the real fifa 2011, real tendencies, all of this makes it quite easy to separate players in fifa while in pes it's near impossible, every player behaves the same way. |
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Nui
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 21:41 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | in pes it's near impossible, every player behaves the same way. |
right back at ya!
| madmax17 wrote: | | That's the biggest load of crap I've read yet |
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 21:41 Post subject: |
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MadMax... you only need to listen to the guys who made FIFA actually say it's true to know it's true  Goto Eurogamer where they did the interview and come clean about the attribute system meaning nothing.
The Personality bullshit they are selling as a feature for the console version of FIFA 11 has nothing to do with attributes, it's the 'trait' system from ISS/PES. That does work in fact, so dribblers are now more prone to dribbling when under CPU control, but the actual control system itself is not a simulative one like PES where the attributes of the individual play a part in how they not only behave but act upon the world.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 21:48 Post subject: |
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lol sure, I played both and pes is like a toy compared to fifa, can't remember a single thing it does better or more realistic, players don't make their runs they just stand around, ball is glued to their feet, passing is bad, shooting from the outside is fun but not realistic, it can be a fun little game but anywhere near realistic, especially when compared to fifa, it is not.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 22:05 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | | ixigia wrote: | | Many people are still sticked to PES because it's easier and more accessible to pick up and play, especially with noob friends. |
Obvious troll is obvious.
FIFA gets the flow of the game, but it's not a simulation. A simulation actually factors in the attributes of each individual player and by their own admission FIFA only takes into account strength, speed and stamina. Even then you'll be wondering whether it makes a difference (and newsflash; it doesn't). That kind of depth is what a PES fan craves, demands, expects. They don't get it with FIFA, they never have. It's why people spend hundreds of hours pouring over what amounts to spreadsheets in Football Manager, and spend much less time if at all playing FIFA manager. That, typically, is what a PES fan is.
Of course that doesn't mean a PES fan can't enjoy FIFA for what FIFA is - and always has been - but by the same token they can't play FIFA with any expectation of it filling the void. FIFA doesn't provide the same sort of experience. It's offering something different, not better, not the same.
The fact it's now in a position to stand on its own two feet and not rely purely on the license is a good thing, but it doesn't change the story. PES is still PES and FIFA is still FIFA.
Personally, I'm bored of this generations FIFA. It's a good game, and I'll be playing it regardless, but there aren't enough improvements over the previous versions to excite me. I'm looking forward to PES 2011 though. |
You have clearly misanderstood my post. I've never mentioned the word "simulation", I've never praised FIFA saying that it was the summa and the perfect representation of football, simply because it would be a false
statement. None of the games actually available manages to even remotely simulate the complex and unpredictable dynamics of a football match, there's no doubt about it. But what I was trying to point out concerns the
accessibility and user-friendliness of the two games taken as separate entities. Just make a simple experiment putting an inexperienced player in front of both FIFA (full manual controls) and PES, analyze the behaviour and
the results of this hypotetical player and you'll get my point. |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 22:35 Post subject: |
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ATM fifa weaker points (than pes) are :
pitch proportions (goals too)
players stats
tactics (especially involving pressing and defenses)
console version improved players stats (not really deeply, but its a starting effort anyway), while i cant tell about tactics.
once EA has solved those issues we wont have just 2 different ways to see football in gaming, but ONE better game and ONE worse.
imho.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 22:41 Post subject: |
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If I misunderstood your post it's because you're not speaking any sense. Unless you want to re-write history ignoring what's in front of you, then the facts are clear; PES is much more difficult for beginners to get to grips with. It always has been.
FIFA comes with a control system which allows you to use just two buttons, but even ignoring that the game is basically as simple as it comes. You pass, you move, you pass, you shoot. There's nothing complicated about it at all. You don't have to take into consideration the morale of your players, their attributes, their momentum, positioning and so forth. The game is very simple and has been the choice for more casual players since the very beginning. I don't need to hypothesise I have real world experience trying to play PES with casuals. They don't get it, they don't appreciate the game underneath the control system or its personality with regards to player individuality. They prefer the immediacy and frankness of the FIFA system.
PES is a game that requires a lot of practice, because underneath the complicated control system with its myriad of button combinations is a game of depth and skill - one where simply pressing pass, shoot or cross is not straightforward, and the results from doing so are clearly influenced by the individuals involved.
I'm not saying one way is better than the other, I'm not saying one game is better than the other, and I'm not saying PES is perfect free from bugs or shortcomings, but PES is not noob friendly in comparison to FIFA.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 22:46 Post subject: |
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wtf are you smoking, now fifa has 2 buttons I won't even comment the rest, pure bullshit.
And I'm still practicing moves in fifa as I'm getting my ass kicked on world class.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 22:58 Post subject: |
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I've been playing PES since eight years now I think, I have never experienced the depth and awesomeness of skill mentioned here. Maybe I'm playing it wrong. Both games are far from simulations and lack depth when compared to real life, it's rdiculous to compare both games to real life.
That put aside, for a long time PES overruled Fifa simply because Fifa was a simple cash in project. Since EA cranked it up starting with Fifa 2009, that has changed (imo of course). Fifa is more fluid, more intuitive, looks better (yeah that matters too) and it's simply better tahn PES atm. Demoting Fifa as a simplistic game in which only two buttons need to be used is plain wrong. If we take out all teh bullshit additions and look only at gameplay, I'd say both games are close in complexity. Fifa is simply more fun to play and feels better.
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Ispep
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| Quote: | | wtf are you smoking, now fifa has 2 buttons |
Um, do you people read or what.
"As well as the usual FIFA controls we've added an ability to play the game with two buttons," he explains. "We're calling it the Dad Pad as we hope it'll bring sons and fathers together to play." (Eurogamer)
I said; "FIFA comes with a control system which allows you to use just two buttons" I didn't say it only had 2 buttons - and it was a throwaway comment to point out how newbie friendly FIFA is in comparison (I'm aware nobody here uses it).
| Quote: | | I've been playing PES since eight years now I think, I have never experienced the depth and awesomeness of skill mentioned here. Maybe I'm playing it wrong. Both games are far from simulations and lack depth when compared to real life, it's rdiculous to compare both games to real life. |
I'm not comparing it to real life, I'm comparing it to FIFA. Relatively speaking there is more depth and simulative experience to be had in PES. I also should make clear that I largely passed over the next-gen PES games since they've never sat well with me. PES 2011 will be my first as far as getting into it seriously. |
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