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Good points on boxing not changing, but at the earlier UFCs BJJ was very new to them (and probably to many viewers by the sounds of the commentators) and they had no idea what was going on. They were just not prepared for it. Now though, everyone knows exactly what to expect from MMA and its their fault if they dont know how to defend takedowns.
Floyd would never come to the MMA (at list until he is in his prime). First it will be a HUGE pay cut. Second he knows he will be hurt, and unlike the wrasslin he did, limbs will be snapped. Even in boxing he fights very conservatively, waiting to counterpunch so he knows no MMA guy would pressure him with strikers but will promptly go the ground. Plus he is a pussy, look at how he sabotaged the fight with Pacman.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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Big_Gun
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Aug 2010 23:52 Post subject: |
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True everyone should know more about BJJ now. But when a boxer refuses to learn any of it thinking their boxing alone will save them. . . well. And I think that's what Toney really thought. he actually said he was going to knock Randy out from the bottom before the fight. Lol.
People should have at least known about wrestling. But, I guess people never thought of wrestling as a combat type sport/ martial art.
Good points on Floyd. But I'd still like to see it.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Aug 2010 01:33 Post subject: |
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Huge pay ?
Didn't Floyd have 25 million guaranteed purse for the planned Pacquiao fight ? (50 mil split ?)
I read that somewhere.
"Prize" boxers get paid way too much than MMA champs, even the cash cows.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Aug 2010 02:06 Post subject: |
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That is the point. At least 25 mil for a single fight. UFC or any other org would NOT come even remotely close to that number. So if he would enter the MMA world, he would probably make 1-2 mil a fight from the UFC, in my book it is a huge pay cut. As popular as Floyd is, I dont think UFC can/wants to spend that kind of money on a single fighter. But who knows, I heard that Toney made a million.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Aug 2010 04:09 Post subject: |
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| Krest wrote: | | That is the point. At least 25 mil for a single fight. UFC or any other org would NOT come even remotely close to that number. So if he would enter the MMA world, he would probably make 1-2 mil a fight from the UFC, in my book it is a huge pay cut. As popular as Floyd is, I dont think UFC can/wants to spend that kind of money on a single fighter. But who knows, I heard that Toney made a million. |
It'd be interesting to see how much the actual fighters come out with because boxers have to pay managers, cut men, etc. Wonder what the cost difference between the 2 sports is in that area (if any).
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Aug 2010 05:53 Post subject: |
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But so do MMA fighters. Maybe not for cutmen but to managers, training partners, gyms, supplements and probably much much more.
Still think top level boxers make more than top level mma guys. They are probably not hurting for cash but I remember watching some UFC pre show special with Chuck when he was still the top payed UFC fighter (the champ at the time), and they showed his house. It was very nice, with nice cars outside, home gym, and pretty roomy. But later Ive seen Floyd's and Goldenboy's house, and they were literary huge mansions with servants. Plus, it seems like from HBO's 24/7 Floyd spends crazy amounts of money on ridicules things like bling, clothes, and his entire entourage.
Its just that boxing is a well established sport with millions of fans. The fighters are well recognized, thus some heavy advertisement can be pushed. Boxers have variety of advertising companies wanting to promote their items. While whenever I watch UFC all I see is dude's items like big, fat burger, beer, and supplements. I bet, if MMA continues to grow as it does now, fighters will also see a pay increase.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2010 00:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Sep 2010 19:17 Post subject: |
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Yeah, that really surprised me ... we'll see if he appeals etc.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2010 03:39 Post subject: |
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Read today he is appealing it. Fat lot of good I think it will do him though.
Didn't do Sherk any good.
Man that pisses me off. That was the ONLY fight I was really looking forward to in UFC.
That rematch.
My buddies are all going to the bar this weekend (it is becoming our ritual) to watch the fights. I am really torn because I really dunno if the card is worth the pain I will feel Sunday.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 19:12 Post subject: |
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Great fights in UFC119, aside from the main event which was a real snoozer up until the anti-climax that was the highlight-reel finish material. Mir seemed shaken during the whole fight, and it seemed to me as if he feared Mirko, who couldn't control a fight anymore even if his life depended on it.
Nice win by Sherk. Unlike the audience I think he won.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 06:37 Post subject: |
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Amazing performance by Cain. IMO that what Shane wouldve done if he had any gas left. Brock looked like an amateur next to Cain. Even his "unstoppable" takedowns were either staffed or Cain quickly got up. Brock didnt know what to do on his feet.
Diego looked good, like his old 19-0 self, though Thiago was dead tired.
Shields looked like crap and does not deserve GSP. Even if he does get GSP, I see absolutely no trouble for GSP.
Also I would really like to see Mir vs Brock 3, and Shields vs Diego.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 06:50 Post subject: |
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Been waiting the whole week for this and watching baseball playoff.
Good card for the night.
No Mir/Brock 3 please. That fight doesn't serve as anything. I want to see Brock versus a heavy hander so see if he deserve another crack at Cain. Mir is no longer a contender in my opinion. Brock can't handle heavy punches and it shows in both Carwin/Cain fights. He got lucky the ref didn't stop the Carwin fight. Brock got owned tonight. It show how inexperience is is. He need to be calm and calculative against a strong puncher like Cain.
Shields is a great wrestler, but as a fighter I think he sucks. He can win by holding on to you like super glue and controlled you like a constrictor. He got dominated in the stand up by Martin. Martin was stupid by playing the submission game and the ground game with Jake. Rogan pointed this out. I though Martin win based on the damages, because Jake did nothing beside wrestling controls.
Diego did great tonight. He's aggressive. Good win for Hamill against his former TUF coach.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 06:52 Post subject: |
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Cain / Shane was his first real competition.
Mir isn't a bad fighter but you need someone with better standup that can stuff his takedowns.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 06:55 Post subject: |
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I like Brock/Shane 2 and obviously JDS/Cain next. Shane will win if his body don't go in a shutdown mode.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 09:43 Post subject: |
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Nice to see the bully shown to be a pussy when shit gets real. Victory for substance over image .. my faith in ufc hw mma is somewhat restored.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 13:14 Post subject: |
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Cain will defeat JDS, and no one else can challenge him in the UFC heavyweight division.
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Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 17:19 Post subject: |
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Never say never in MMA. Cain is the best there is right now, but anything can happen in MMA. Cain was dropped by Congo once, it just take the right guy to land the perfect punches on him.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 00:06 Post subject: |
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Caine will tame him though. |
After Brock won against Carwin.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 01:26 Post subject: |
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Lottery numbers please?
I kid, I kid.
I think JDS will give Cain run for his money. IMO JDS had a tougher matchups to get to the title. Cain got a title after beating Nog only because there is no one else, besides JDS who was already booked.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 23:26 Post subject: |
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Expected result, by by Borck, no more belts for you 
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Oct 2010 22:58 Post subject: |
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Well, it was really not about Cain for me. I think Cain as #1 is deserved and I see no problems with it.
What is funny to me, is Brock as #2. Fedor went undefeated for 10 years, but lost a fight and moves straight to 3, at the same time Brock moves to #1. Now Fedor is #4, while Brock at 2 with MUCH MUCH less quality opponent wins and just fights in general.
It would have been more reasonable if it was Cain/Werdum as #1 and #2 (whatever the order) and then Fedor, and then somewhere on the bottom (if in it at all) Brock.
I guess MMA is like that. It has a very short memory span, and it doesnt matter what you have done yesterday, it is all about today.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Oct 2010 23:26 Post subject: |
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Here's a better list:
Teška kategorija:
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0)
2. Fedor Emelianenko (31-1(2)-1)
3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)
4. Brock Lesnar (5-2)
5. Junior dos Santos (12-1)
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I really wonder how Cain would manage with Sergi let alone barnet, reem or fedor.
