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In soviet russia something something YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT LATENCY!!! 
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 20:31 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | Not fine in games like DoTA Hon? That's why it doesn't matter at all when the best players in HoN/DoTA play on the opposite server? I've played HoN/DoTA/LoL on NA servers just fine for years. It's just about getting used to the super small delay which doesn't take long at all.
It's not even worthy to have an argument about it. If you play 43284389243289 matches in a row on 10 MS obviously you're not gonna be as good with 200 MS the next game but don't act like it's unplayable since after 3-4 games you're just as good as with 10 MS. Anyone who uses it as an excuse is a sore fucking loser.
Obviously it's preferable to have low MS in all games but the only genre that actually NEEDS it is FPS. |
I don't agree.
Let's not drift too far away, I was merely replying to the "100-200ms is perfectly fine in every genre besides fps" statement. Like I said, warcraft 3 is the living proof. If you say that latency does not matter for warcraft 3 than you are not aware of the grand warcraft 3 scene. Latency plays a big part, and the only way to beat those koreans is to fly over there and play in LAN (and that is exactly what has been happening all those years).
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 20:34 Post subject: |
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| Raap wrote: | | Deci is a tenth, i.e. 0.1. Centi is 0.01, while mili is 0.001. Thus, 100ms is 0.100s. |
thank you captain obvious
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 20:47 Post subject: |
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| De_TURK wrote: | | djaoni wrote: | Not fine in games like DoTA Hon? That's why it doesn't matter at all when the best players in HoN/DoTA play on the opposite server? I've played HoN/DoTA/LoL on NA servers just fine for years. It's just about getting used to the super small delay which doesn't take long at all.
It's not even worthy to have an argument about it. If you play 43284389243289 matches in a row on 10 MS obviously you're not gonna be as good with 200 MS the next game but don't act like it's unplayable since after 3-4 games you're just as good as with 10 MS. Anyone who uses it as an excuse is a sore fucking loser.
Obviously it's preferable to have low MS in all games but the only genre that actually NEEDS it is FPS. |
I don't agree.
Let's not drift too far away, I was merely replying to the "100-200ms is perfectly fine in every genre besides fps" statement. Like I said, warcraft 3 is the living proof. If you say that latency does not matter for warcraft 3 than you are not aware of the grand warcraft 3 scene. Latency plays a big part, and the only way to beat those koreans is to fly over there and play in LAN (and that is exactly what has been happening all those years). |
My point was that it doesn't play as big a part as it does in FPS. It does play some part but it's nothing you can't adjust to so that it doesn't actually give you a disadvantage the way it does in say CS.
This isn't really a competitive game anyway so the discussion is pointless and there is still not a single reason to region lock besides greed.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 21:09 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | De_TURK wrote: | | djaoni wrote: | Not fine in games like DoTA Hon? That's why it doesn't matter at all when the best players in HoN/DoTA play on the opposite server? I've played HoN/DoTA/LoL on NA servers just fine for years. It's just about getting used to the super small delay which doesn't take long at all.
It's not even worthy to have an argument about it. If you play 43284389243289 matches in a row on 10 MS obviously you're not gonna be as good with 200 MS the next game but don't act like it's unplayable since after 3-4 games you're just as good as with 10 MS. Anyone who uses it as an excuse is a sore fucking loser.
Obviously it's preferable to have low MS in all games but the only genre that actually NEEDS it is FPS. |
I don't agree.
Let's not drift too far away, I was merely replying to the "100-200ms is perfectly fine in every genre besides fps" statement. Like I said, warcraft 3 is the living proof. If you say that latency does not matter for warcraft 3 than you are not aware of the grand warcraft 3 scene. Latency plays a big part, and the only way to beat those koreans is to fly over there and play in LAN (and that is exactly what has been happening all those years). |
My point was that it doesn't play as big a part as it does in FPS. It does play some part but it's nothing you can't adjust to so that it doesn't actually give you a disadvantage the way it does in say CS.
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Like in FPSgames, you can't adjust to these things. Warcraft 3 is mostly about hero microing (every top player can already macro almost perfectly), you have to be able to respond immediantly to unexpected situations or projectiles coming your way (certain spells seem like impossible to dodge, but it is possible with low MS, and yes losing 1-2 more units than the opposing player will cost you the game), and I mean immediantly, just like in FPS. There is really nothing to adjust about. Example, if someone throws a stormbolt (projectile stun) at your hero, there is no time left to activate anti-magic or townportal when you have 100-200ms. There are plenty of other examples.
It's a huge setback if your hero dies, and it is almost always GG after the 15min mark.
This is also true for HoN, but these kinds of mistakes won't cost you the game, unlike in a 1on1 game like warcraft 3.
| Quote: | | there is still not a single reason to region lock besides greed. |
This we can all agree to, ofcourse.
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W123
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 23:23 Post subject: |
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Well it wasn't just increased latency, it would be randomly dropping out of games, failing to join games, failing to create games, huge lag spikes, etc. It makes sense for them to be want to be able to more easily manage separate regional servers. I don't think they are doing it necessarily out of greed.. they're obviously not gonna mind people buying extra copies though.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 23:26 Post subject: |
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| W123 wrote: | | Well it wasn't just increased latency, it would be randomly dropping out of games, failing to join games, failing to create games, huge lag spikes, etc. It makes sense for them to be want to be able to more easily manage separate regional servers. I don't think they are doing it necessarily out of greed.. they're obviously not gonna mind people buying extra copies though. |
If it wasn't out of greed, they would give you the option to CHOOSE what server you play on - at will - but instead they region lock each game and expect you to PURCHASE a copy for any alternate regions to play on. If that's not greed, then I simply don't know what is.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 23:35 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 23:46 Post subject: |
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Think about localizatiion and price differentials. Otherwise it would be cheaper for everyone to grab a key or version sold for a pittance from Thailand than to pick up a copy costing possibly 4x as much in the USA. You can call it greed but from Blizzards point of view it's simply good business practice in this day and age of the internet.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 23:48 Post subject: |
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What a crock of shit. They could region lock the CLIENT so that, for example, a US copy would only install if you had a US IP - but you could still play online against anyone else in any country. Of course install-locking is invasive and I don't support that whatsoever, but it's a better fucking option than simply saying "Screw you! You can't play with anyone outside your own area"
Still, it's Blizzard.. so no matter what they fuck you with, people will still defend them. *yawn*
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W123
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 23:54 Post subject: |
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If it keeps annoying-ass Koreans out of my game, I am happy with it.
I however never had any friends from Europe or Asia to play with.. so I'm not affected.
edit: hopefully it will stop the idiots from making a billion spam/bot accounts too.
Last edited by W123 on Mon, 25th Oct 2010 00:01; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 23:55 Post subject: |
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Yeah I really don't care if I don't have to deal with the rednecks but there is still no reason to lock it.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Oct 2010 23:59 Post subject: |
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Not defending anyone, don't know where you got that misconception. Not like I work for Blizzard or aspire to make Warcraft 5 or anything..
Just pointing out the fact that theres obviously logic behind their way of doing things. Client side would not work as well as regional server locks simply for the fact that once the client was cracked (which it probably would be a few days after release), whats then to stop people from buying all the cheap foreign keys online or picking up cheap versions from the net oversees, if an import copy's online MP is exactly the same as the higher priced US/European versions.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 00:02 Post subject: |
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So what you're saying is they're doing it out of greed like we've been saying all along?
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 00:02 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | What a crock of shit. They could region lock the CLIENT so that, for example, a US copy would only install if you had a US IP - but you could still play online against anyone else in any country. Of course install-locking is invasive and I don't support that whatsoever, but it's a better fucking option than simply saying "Screw you! You can't play with anyone outside your own area"
Still, it's Blizzard.. so no matter what they fuck you with, people will still defend them. *yawn* |
Blame ACTIVISION-BLIZZARD for that Kotic needs his moneyz for his new grills you know
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 00:29 Post subject: |
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| xyzg wrote: |
Personally, sitting on the gamers side of the fence you can call it greed, sitting on the other side it's just common sense. |
Funny how no other games do this, isn't it? It's always just Blizzard shite and the odd Korean MMO >_>
I can buy a Ruskie copy of MOH/COD/insert any name you want .. and it will play with anyone else, anywhere in the world.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 00:32 Post subject: |
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Sigh @ FUCKING Blizzard.
Was obvious they were going to do this after Starcraft 2 though.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 01:35 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | What a crock of shit. They could region lock the CLIENT so that, for example, a US copy would only install if you had a US IP - but you could still play online against anyone else in any country. Of course install-locking is invasive and I don't support that whatsoever, but it's a better fucking option than simply saying "Screw you! You can't play with anyone outside your own area"
Still, it's Blizzard.. so no matter what they fuck you with, people will still defend them. *yawn* |
lol I think at this point people are getting to the point where they don't care anymore, they just want the game.
| Prefetian wrote: | | In soviet russia something something YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT LATENCY!!! |
in blizzard russia, region locks you? |
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 02:26 Post subject: |
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| fraich3 wrote: |
The region lock in SC2 is temporary, Blizzard are gradually removing it. Already removed the one for the aussies and the peeps in that region.
All due to a lot of angry fans about the region lock, which is understandable. |
Protip: Blizzard are only saying that to prevent an uproar. If you still believe that then I don't know what to say.
The only reason the Aussies can play on the American servers is because the Aussie servers were dead.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 03:49 Post subject: |
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| Cyborgmatt wrote: | | fraich3 wrote: |
The region lock in SC2 is temporary, Blizzard are gradually removing it. Already removed the one for the aussies and the peeps in that region.
All due to a lot of angry fans about the region lock, which is understandable. |
Protip: Blizzard are only saying that to prevent an uproar. If you still believe that then I don't know what to say.
The only reason the Aussies can play on the American servers is because the Aussie servers were dead. |
Probably whats going on. Just waiting for people to eventually accept it and forget it.
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W123
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 06:13 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 06:26 Post subject: |
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Sin317
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 11:43 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | What a crock of shit. They could region lock the CLIENT so that, for example, a US copy would only install if you had a US IP - but you could still play online against anyone else in any country. Of course install-locking is invasive and I don't support that whatsoever, but it's a better fucking option than simply saying "Screw you! You can't play with anyone outside your own area"
Still, it's Blizzard.. so no matter what they fuck you with, people will still defend them. *yawn* |
Its You, no matter what, you'll bitch nd moan about their games, about their politics, yet you love all of their games ...
Obviously anyone who says something positive about Blizzard is a fanboy anyway and anyone saying something bad about them is .. right ... oh the irony, oh the FAIL.
Anyway sabin, keep on bitching and moaning, you're really good at it LOL.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 14:41 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | in blizzard russia, region locks you? |
in russian blizzard, locks region you!
| Quote: | | The witch doctor still looks terrible. |
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Thanks for the idea Lutz!
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Oct 2010 14:47 Post subject: |
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Thank you for that completely useless comment that brought absolutely nothing to the discussion except the trolling you can't help yourself from doing. Crawl back under your rock Sin317, you muppet.
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