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Big_Gun




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PostPosted: Thu, 28th Oct 2010 03:36    Post subject:
I've learned to wipe my ass with rankings.


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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 29th Oct 2010 19:51    Post subject:
Cain was in great form. But don't give up on Brock yet, he is very "young" in mma and vey motivated and determinated. Now he lost, decisivly , for the first time and it will the make or break point for him. Can he come back from this or not. If so, he will be a serious match in the future for cain, or whoever holds the title.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Nov 2010 02:25    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
Cain was in great form. But don't give up on Brock yet, he is very "young" in mma and vey motivated and determinated. Now he lost, decisivly , for the first time and it will the make or break point for him. Can he come back from this or not. If so, he will be a serious match in the future for cain, or whoever holds the title.

Too much ego that douche will run & hide. Mark my words all we will see is him beating a can & then retiring.

madmax17 wrote:
Here's a better list:

Teška kategorija:
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0)
2. Fedor Emelianenko (31-1(2)-1)
3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)
4. Brock Lesnar (5-2)
5. Junior dos Santos (12-1)


Cain has only beaten kong, nog & brock, brock has only beaten herring & mir. Come the fuck on get a grip.


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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 07:36    Post subject:
Hughes got caught, and Rampage vs. Machida was probably more a draw than anyone winning. Dana doesn't like Machida, so there will be no rematch (which I believe Rampage/Joe is right about).

I liked Maquiel when he actually was engaging... and the Lauzon/Sotiropolos fight was intense (much thanks to Lauzon).


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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 18:51    Post subject:


Marvellous looking to be a force.


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djaoni




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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 20:17    Post subject:
When Falco finally exploded with punches he looked really fast.

And is it me or is the booing increasing with every new UFC? If there isn't anything happening for 5 seconds the whole place breaks out booing.. It's getting annoying.
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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Nov 2010 00:48    Post subject:


Falco was too obvious in the third with just letting the decision victory happen hence the booooz.


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Big_Gun




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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Nov 2010 21:24    Post subject:
djaoni wrote:

And is it me or is the booing increasing with every new UFC? If there isn't anything happening for 5 seconds the whole place breaks out booing.. It's getting annoying.


This.

By the way, I got caught in a Bicep Slicer last night. You wanna talk about something that fucking hurts. Felt like someone frogged my bicep with a sledge hammer today. Not to mention bruised. That's the last time I let someone get me in a sub because I don't recognize it and let them go through with it out of curiosity.


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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Nov 2010 12:50    Post subject:
ChinUp wrote:
Falco was too obvious in the third with just letting the decision victory happen hence the booooz.

True, those boos there were justified, what a wanker.
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Nov 2010 17:17    Post subject:
I'm not talking about that fight only. Pretty much every fight that doesn't end in a 1-3 minute KO the whole place breaks out booing.

The UFC in Germany was the same. There's always been some booing every now and then but it has increased.
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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Nov 2010 15:51    Post subject:
djaoni wrote:
I'm not talking about that fight only. Pretty much every fight that doesn't end in a 1-3 minute KO the whole place breaks out booing.

The UFC in Germany was the same. There's always been some booing every now and then but it has increased.

Primary cause is unified rules & judging allows fighters to stall their way to the W, secondary reason fan base is growing @ an extreme rate .. new fans don't fully comprehend the sport & only have boxing, kick-boxing, superhero fight scenes to go by .. Wink


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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Nov 2010 03:20    Post subject:
ChinUp wrote:
djaoni wrote:
I'm not talking about that fight only. Pretty much every fight that doesn't end in a 1-3 minute KO the whole place breaks out booing.

The UFC in Germany was the same. There's always been some booing every now and then but it has increased.

Primary cause is unified rules & judging allows fighters to stall their way to the W, secondary reason fan base is growing @ an extreme rate .. new fans don't fully comprehend the sport & only have boxing, kick-boxing, superhero fight scenes to go by .. Wink


They need the yellow card and money taken away like they did it in Pride.


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ChinUp




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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Nov 2010 16:46    Post subject:
Big_Gun wrote:
They need the yellow card and money taken away like they did it in Pride.

They need to stop giving points for cage control (stalling), fighters need to have the freedom to kick to the head off their back & 12-6 elbows should be allowed to prevent fighters from hiding in take-down attempts. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 04:18    Post subject:
ChinUp wrote:
Big_Gun wrote:
They need the yellow card and money taken away like they did it in Pride.

They need to stop giving points for cage control (stalling), fighters need to have the freedom to kick to the head off their back & 12-6 elbows should be allowed to prevent fighters from hiding in take-down attempts. Rolling Eyes


Agreed. Give me what you said and bring the yellow cards in.
The 12-6 elbow thing is the most retarded rule ever.


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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 19:00    Post subject:
Big_Gun wrote:
Agreed. Give me what you said and bring the yellow cards in.
The 12-6 elbow thing is the most retarded rule ever.
Done

In the last TUF episode Nam got robbed of the W because of cage control BS.


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djaoni




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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 20:20    Post subject:
ChinUp wrote:
Big_Gun wrote:
Agreed. Give me what you said and bring the yellow cards in.
The 12-6 elbow thing is the most retarded rule ever.
Done

In the last TUF episode Nam got robbed of the W because of cage control BS.


The first fight between Brookins and Watson should've been stood up like 10 times.

They should change it to max 15-30 secs before they stand up people who don't do anything imo.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Dec 2010 04:23    Post subject:
Dude, FUCK those Las Vegas judges!


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mag2005




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Dec 2010 05:57    Post subject:
Judges have always been awful. Some judges are still biased and uneducated, but fighters should know to not depend on the judges. You want the fight to be convincing.

Anyway, a good night in St. Louis for Strikeforce. A lot of fireworks in the main events.


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Dec 2010 17:10    Post subject:
Well, St. Louis was one of the better Strikeforce events in awhile, the only disappointment (for me) was that the wins were by knock out so early in the matches. As much as it is entertaining for those two seconds it happens, it really doesn't tell you who the better fighter is. Regardless though, good event. A lot better than the snoozefest that was the ultimate finale. The UFC does not need another guy that lies on top and waits for the time to expire. Brookins seems like a good guy, but seriously needs to work on his versatility.


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mag2005




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Dec 2010 17:30    Post subject:
Doesn't the guy KO'ing the other guy proved he's the better fighter? You don't always have to proved that you are technically superior, but strength wise in MMA. That's the main reason why a lot of fighter cut weight. Even a superior skill fighter get light out if he get hit by a hard punch. I think the fans wants to see someone get knockout, regardless of how quickly it's done. I think it's more impressive to win early.

I wasn't shock to see Matt Lindland get light out so fast because he'd aged. He's like Chuck now where you tagged him with a hard punch and he's out. Babalu is the same. I was surprised that Smith get light out so fast, but Paul Daley is hard puncher. Big Foot almost lost to a Light Heavyweight was a surprise as well.


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djaoni




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Dec 2010 17:36    Post subject:
Nam Phan can't be that passive in the 3rd round when Garcia is completely gassed. Yes he won the fight but he didn't do anything whatsoever in the last round. Fucking retards in the audience like in the last 10 or so UFC's I've watched. It's just baffling.. "Bullshit! bullshit!"

Wtf is it with Cody and his guillotine? Laughing I don't think I've ever seen anyone tap by a guillotine over the face before.

The Maia fight is how it should be on the ground if you don't want to be stood up. Brookins - Johnson 3rd round is when they need to stand them up.

Gonna watch Strikeforce in about 30 or so mins.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Dec 2010 22:21    Post subject:
Ho-ho-holy crap, did strikeforce deliver some of the best KOs. What a great card, not a second of downtown (except of course face-down opponents lying deadlike on the mat). Felt bad for Smith, he seems like a very nice guy.

Now, on to tuf finally, see if that delivers, but i doubt it.

Boo, ultimate finally wasnt that good at all.

Maia is just amazing on the ground, but REALLY, REALLY needs to work on his stand up and submissions. It is the second fight where he completely outclasses the guy on the ground, but cannot finish the opponent.

Nam was robbed and those boos were justified. I dont think they booed Garcia, but the retarded judges. It is not Garcia's fault judges were playing psps while the fight was on.

Bonner needs to stay on the undercards and tuf finales. He plays it very safe, and goes to the ground as soon as he can and does just enough to stay there. He, of all the people, can actually take risks because win or lose he will never get cut as he is one of the reasons why UFC is where it is.

Finale was decent, very improved stand up by Johnson, but either not enough power or Brookins has granite chin.

Overall strikeforce trumps this tuf finale. Even though the fights were brief, no one held back and was aiming to do damage and not go to the judges.

Next week UFC also doesnt look that appealing. Yeah, wooo, GSP vs another wrestler, I wonder how GSP will finish THIS time, and try everything in his power NOT to go to the judges.
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Dec 2010 18:23    Post subject:
mag2005 wrote:
Doesn't the guy KO'ing the other guy proved he's the better fighter?


No.


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djaoni




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Dec 2010 18:37    Post subject:
Krest wrote:
Nam was robbed and those boos were justified. I dont think they booed Garcia, but the retarded judges. It is not Garcia's fault judges were playing psps while the fight was on.


They were booing Garcia when he was talking and chanting "bullshit bullshit" directly at him.

Oh well the average mental capacity at the events isn't very high so can't expect too much.
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Krest




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Dec 2010 21:15    Post subject:
Well if they did, then fuck the so called "fans". Garcia didnt score his own fights, he fought his guts out.

Still think it was meant for the judges. They were booing when he was shown on the screen, but that is because they dont show the judges. Didnt he also get a bs decision against the Korean Zombie? Hmm, cartel must be behind it.

fisk wrote:
mag2005 wrote:
Doesn't the guy KO'ing the other guy proved he's the better fighter?


No.


Serra caught GSP, but would you really call Serra a better fighter? Some fighters just get caught. If the fights go for a little longer, and one guy is clearly outstriking the other guy and then knocks him out, then we can definitely say he is better. But if it was a very quick KO, then we really don't know who is the better fighter.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Dec 2010 22:55    Post subject:
Let's be honest, in a real fight and you get caught, you might end up in the bottom of the ocean. There is no second fight. Serra shown he is the better fighter in the first fight. Fighter get smarter the second time. GSP wise up and stick to what he's good at, grounding Serra so he won't get knock out again. GSP is a better wrestler but not a better striker than Serra. Is GSP a better overall fighter? Yes, but that's a subjective opinion.

If you want to have beyond reasonable doubt who is a better fighter, have them fight 5 times. In baseball or basketball, we have multiple games in playoff for the same purposes.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 00:47    Post subject:
Indication of a superior fighter is that he can dictate where the fight goes.

GSP didnt like seeing starts, so he started taking people down and controlling them on the ground. It is very boring to watch, but it is effective, and a superior fighter would not allow for GSP to take him down, but so far no one was able to stop him. So what if Serra is a better strikers, it doesnt matter if GSP takes you down. Serrra is also a BJJ specialist, so if he was better than GSP, then why didnt he submit him there. Plus, Serra has the advantage in the beginning of each round when the fight starts standing.

And we cannot apply real fighting, when people can bite your nuts in a fight, or stomp on you while you are down, or knees to the head while on the ground. We are talking about organized MMA, where people follow certain rules.

Quick finishes don't really tell me much. I wouldn't call Randleman a better fighter than Mirko, even though in their first fight Randleman knocked out Mirko cold.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 02:03    Post subject:
What you're saying is a guy who's stronger and bigger is a better fighter? Serra is the smaller guy in the fight. Bigger and stronger guys can dictate the fight too, but it doesn't mean they're better. Most BJJ guys are not wrestler. GSP worked with world class wrestlers so his wrestling is obviously better. But taking guy down doesn't mean you are a better fighter either. GSP is a smart fighter and a superior wrestler than Serra. If it was K1 fight between Serra and GSP, I would bet on Serra.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 02:12    Post subject:
Ok, but when I am saying that GSP is a better fighter than Serra, I mean MMA which incorporates various disciplines. I dont really care that Floyd could beat most UFC fighters in a boxing match when I am saying that he will be embarrassed by anyone with any sort of ground game in an MMA bout.

This is simply not K1, and GSP is a better MMA fighter than Serra is.

And size is an important advantage, thats why many cut weight. Still didnt stop Nog from submitting much bigger opponents, who were battering him, or Cain tooling Brock and easily getting up from a takedown (even though Brock is a champion wrestler and has a huge size advantage). Size is of course an advantage, but a very small one.


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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Dec 2010 15:31    Post subject:
This is mma anything can happen. Some kid with only a few tools under his belt can crush a master of 10 disciplines if he has the heart & the spirit to do it. When you enter the cage all your credentials are left @ the door. Its a fucking fight not a job interview. What pisses me off is when the rules + judging destroys the spirt of mma by preventing raw ability to defeat an opponent with BS rules that have nothing to do with preventing injury & everything to do with giving an advantage to the home team.







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