Onlive (The end of PC gaming as we know it)
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Oct 2010 16:33    Post subject:
OnLive. The end of Cloud Gaming as we know it.

Laughing

@jack

http://www.onlive.com/service/microconsole

They've always touted the ability to plug a device into your TV and play like that =)
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 01:16    Post subject:
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 01:17    Post subject:
Yes, that's why the thread was already bumped. Wink
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jackasshole




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 01:22    Post subject:
what a shit console...who wants to sit around a table arguing over who has the shittiest glare from their angle
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 01:56    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Yes, that's why the thread was already bumped. Wink


im lazy...lol


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an4rew




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 01:59    Post subject:
nice 360 controller rip off!
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 02:41    Post subject:
an4rew wrote:
nice 360 controller rip off!


Indeed, the 360 pad was the first one ever made.
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 02:47    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Yes, that's why the thread was already bumped. Wink


Off topic..... a lot.

But iNatan, your avatar scares me, big time!

Your name ain't Peter by any chance? Confused
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 03:19    Post subject:
Nope.
What is so scary about it? Laughing
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 03:42    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Nope.
What is so scary about it? Laughing


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ixigia
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 03:47    Post subject:
Leo Natan is watching you masturbate Razz

@scaramonga
No mate, Leo is Gerard Butler!

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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 04:14    Post subject:
Wouldn't be the first time someone made this observation. Laughing
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 04:17    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:

No mate, Leo is Gerard Butler!


LOL!

He wishes!! Very Happy Very Happy
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bishman82




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 14:21    Post subject:
I just downloaded the Onlive client and was surprised to see that it works even though i'm in the UK, well i can browse the giant wall of games being played and spectate players etc. Is there anything i can actually try for free on there? I've only seen stuff available for purchase and i'm not spending a single dollar especially as there's no servers in the UK, but i would be interested to play something if there was no cost.

Graphics look better than i expected but they are still way too blurry for any modern games. I would definitely use it if it came bundled with a cable TV service or something though.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 14:23    Post subject:
bishman82 wrote:
I just downloaded the Onlive client and was surprised to see that it works even though i'm in the UK, well i can browse the giant wall of games being played and spectate players etc. Is there anything i can actually try for free on there? I've only seen stuff available for purchase and i'm not spending a single dollar especially as there's no servers in the UK, but i would be interested to play something if there was no cost.

Graphics look better than i expected but they are still way too blurry for any modern games. I would definitely use it if it came bundled with a cable TV service or something though.


Hmmm...games...playing for free? A trial maybe of somekind? Yes yes...let me think, what could that be?

Maybe a game DEMO?

(That they advertise as the first thing on the freaking frontpage: "Instant access to free demos")
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bishman82




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2010 14:35    Post subject:
Ahh yes, there is 1 game playable for free which is Dirt 2. It's definitely playable but the lag which feels about 0.5 seconds makes it very frustrating. I'll wait until they have actual servers in the UK before trying again.

edit: According to the site, all the games actually have demos, i was skipping over all of those in the market place when i saw the $5.99 for 3 day pass thinking that was the 'demo' Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 18th Nov 2010 15:33    Post subject:
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/66520

Some details on the "console" iteration of this.
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PostPosted: Thu, 18th Nov 2010 18:07    Post subject:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/18/onlive-microconsole-review/

Quote:
For the purposes of our review, I used the MicroConsole on my primary gaming display: a 52" LCD television viewed from a distance of roughly nine feet. I have a 68 megabit per second downstream broadband connection.


A test in a "real world" connection would be more adequate IMO.


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PostPosted: Thu, 18th Nov 2010 18:15    Post subject:
Well, a good old friend of mine, who has a PHD in Physics and have worked with Super conductors had the following to say about OnLive..."It's never gonna work well enough in a Real world environment, Why??? Because of Latency issues which will always be an issue even on Fiber optics..."

I choose to trust my friend who is Super science geek. I don't understand him we rambles on about "String Theory" but his probably right Very Happy


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consolitis
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PostPosted: Fri, 19th Nov 2010 00:39    Post subject:
Yeah but there are people that already say that it works well enough FOR THEM.

Just like there are plenty of people that play on consoles with sub-hd graphics, ~25fps, 0x AA games and claim that everything looks and feels amazing.

IGN reviewed it and calls it "Impressive 8/10" http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/113/1135364p1.html

"Our experiences on an average 4 to 6Mbps home connection were pretty solid. Games ran smoothly without framerate drops, interruption, or sizable amounts of compression, and navigating menus and firing up games was a cinch."

There are plenty of people, like that reviewer who find its performance more than acceptable.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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maul_inc




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PostPosted: Fri, 19th Nov 2010 02:17    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
Yeah but there are people that already say that it works well enough FOR THEM.

Just like there are plenty of people that play on consoles with sub-hd graphics, ~25fps, 0x AA games and claim that everything looks and feels amazing.

IGN reviewed it and calls it "Impressive 8/10" http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/113/1135364p1.html

"Our experiences on an average 4 to 6Mbps home connection were pretty solid. Games ran smoothly without framerate drops, interruption, or sizable amounts of compression, and navigating menus and firing up games was a cinch."

There are plenty of people, like that reviewer who find its performance more than acceptable.


I don't doubt that it runs fine with shitty GFX (Have seen it myself), but if Onlive got as popular as Steam, the amount of Server farms needed, would be insane.

Btw. In addition to that, imagine if some time in the future, the whole Western World wants their games this way plus HD streaming movies... Then even Fiber optic cables wouldn't be enough to deliver a "100% always on for everybody", it's just way to much traffic that needs to be routed all over the world, while maintaining stable connections.

And if that isn't possible, I doubt that people will be satisfied with their TV/Gaming subscriptions. Imagine millions of people watching the latest chapter of a popular show, and then Boom! several seconds or minutes of garbage pixels on the tv, or what about Hackers shutting down the service for a whole country?
People don't wanna pay for that.

On a personal note, I hope we will never be forced to get all our entertainment by subscription, because then the fucking Corporation's will force feed us all kinds of shitty subscriptions, like I could be forced to accept 50 channels that I never watch, just because I want 10 good channels (this is already happening!), and I can't imagine that they wouldn't do the same with Gaming if they could.

Face it. Every big corporation's wet dream is Forced subscriptions for everything related to entertainment, because it's nearly impossible for the End User to know what price is fitting for the different subscriptions, since most subscriptions are filled with shitty entertainment, but on the surface the subs looks great since there is a lot of apparent value in the subscribtions.


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Theescapist




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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 05:53    Post subject:
Onlinve subscription is back, but...different.

The sub is now 9.99 a month with unlimited access to 14 games currently with more coming. The beta for this is as of now only available to people who have purchased the little tv adapter. The option to purchase your games and not have the sub fee is still available if you prefer that method. It's pretty much like gametap now but without having to install the games.

http://www.onlive.com/playpack?utm_content=PlayPackBetaLaunch&utm_campaign=PlayPack%20Launch&utm_source=iPost&utm_medium=email


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consolitis
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Dec 2010 23:24    Post subject:
Apparently they'll start streaming movies competing with Netflix: http://news.bigdownload.com/2010/12/06/report-onlive-to-offer-netflix-competing-video-streaming-servic/


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 04:02    Post subject:
I got an invite to this thing and tried it out, it's...not that good, the FPS is ok and so are controls more or less, but the lag is really noticeable. Also the client is really REALLY buggy, crashes a whole lot on my system. The fact is, there's no way around the input lag, even if you had a decent connection, the lag is a matter of physics issue that has no solution, you move something on the screen and it's going to take a split second to respond. This is only playable with less than a 70ms response time to the server, any more and it's going to be nearly unplayable when quick reaction is required, such as the heat of battle or sniping. In my opinion this is only going to really be decent with non-FPS/Twitch games such as RTSs.
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HunterHare




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 04:37    Post subject:
it says some games are multiplayer, anyone know if they play online with PC players or its probably set up like LAN and all the time they are empty.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 07:02    Post subject:
Haha, didn't the idiot say that a monthly fee isn't needed ? On that article at the top of this page.

Their frantic changing of subscription fees indicates they are close to bankruptcy. Good, good.
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 08:36    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
Haha, didn't the idiot say that a monthly fee isn't needed ?


I don't think that it's "needed". I believe it's an option.

Also, I found this that I haven't read before, but I don't know if it was posted before I came to this forum:

Quote:
Developer Crytek has revealed to GamesIndustry.biz that it has researched the viability of a streaming videogame service similar to those currently being touted by OnLive and Gaikai.

However, the Crysis studio concluded that such a service would not be possible until around 2013 at the earliest.

"We had our research in 2005 on this subject but we stopped around 2007 because we had doubts about economics of scale. But that was at a time when bandwidth was more expensive," said CEO Cevat Yerli.

"We saw that by 2013 - 2015 with the development of bandwidths and household connections worldwide that it might become more viable then."


Yerli said that the main barrier would be relying on the technology of broadband providers to ensure a smooth connection and gameplay experience.

"It doesn't take a lot to make a video-based renderer, but what you need is the right infrastructure that is beyond the technology we have, it's more like cable net providers and communication networks.

"They have to provide fast bandwidths and connectivity in order to allow such technology to excel. So as it was dependent on somebody else, we decided to wait," he detailed.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 11:00    Post subject:
So tired of hearing about this system. Couldn't it just die quietly...

As I see it, this platform would NEVER be able to provide a decent multiplayer experience for games like COD and WOW (Just listing the biggest titles).

We often talk about how crappy DRM is, but I will say that I will be in tears the day the majority accepts a service like this with all it's faults etc. Imagine a hacker attack on Onlive's servers...Whoops! Now there is 3 million WOW players who have been disconnected! Very Happy Can't imagine that people will tolerate such a service... Wink

And what about Bandwith costs? A lot of users have limited bandwith pr. month...And if the the users that have flatrate subscriptions start use this service on a daily basis, I'll bet that ISP's will soon start increase subscription prices.


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consolitis
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 11:04    Post subject:
maul_inc wrote:
Imagine a hacker attack on Onlive's servers...Whoops! Now there is 3 million WOW players who have been disconnected! Very Happy Can't imagine that people will tolerate such a service... Wink


Hm.. Why there isn't a hacker attacking Blizzard's servers or Steam's servers? What's the difference? Would OnLive's servers be easier to attack? How so?


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 11:06    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
maul_inc wrote:
Imagine a hacker attack on Onlive's servers...Whoops! Now there is 3 million WOW players who have been disconnected! Very Happy Can't imagine that people will tolerate such a service... Wink


Hm.. Why there isn't a hacker attacking Blizzard servers or Steam's servers? What's the difference? Would OnLive's servers be easier to attack? How so?


With the increased requirements dues to massive amounts of data streaming, you would quickly run out of server capaxity for all those gamers, IF there is a hacking attempt.


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