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SirCez
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
I was also arguing against the absurd statements by SirCez about how because modern humans do not go and slaughter an animal with their bare hands and eat it's flesh raw, it proves we are maladapted for meat consumption. Idiotic statements like that really don't help support your far more articulate and eloquent argument about the subtleties of meat's effect on health.
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No that's not what I meant. The point made was that at this time and age we are not optimzed eating meat, and to eat raw meat you DON'T have to go out and slaughter some poor animal with your bare hands. If that same animal was killed, sliced into nice small pieces in raw form without any cooking or preparations, and readily available in your favourite supermarket would you still be able to eat it? No, thank you very much, thought so. In order to eat meat, it needs to be cooked and processed, simple as that.
The so called evolution would actually tell you that humans have evolved not to eat meat as oppsed to being more suitable eating meat back in the early days, it's just common sense.
Note: I did not write the first article, I only found it interesting, whether it has valididy or not I wouldn't know, but never the less it was an interesting read, thats all and wanted to share it.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2010 02:48 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
Absolutely, genetic modification will be the saviour of mankind. But the limitation isn't a need to master genetic engineering, it's all the bullshit ethical regulations and moral objections that severely limit the freedom of modern geneticists.
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Yep, it's kind of frustrating to think where we could be today if science wouldn't need to abide by some arbitrary set of morals (embryonic stem cell research comes to mind). Not that you'd have to be Dr. Mengele to get results, but like you said, it'd at least be good if the decision makers actually were properly informed about the long-term potential and be able to grasp the big picture.
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Frant
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2010 04:35 Post subject: |
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I think some of the worries stems from fear of genetic fascism, ie. geneticists that brings in nietzschean views in their work, further dividing humans based on genetics. Gattaca (scifi drama dealing with discrimination of people based on their genetic profile) is one probable future if ethics is thrown out of the window.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2010 09:05 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | I think some of the worries stems from fear of genetic fascism, ie. geneticists that brings in nietzschean views in their work, further dividing humans based on genetics. Gattaca (scifi drama dealing with discrimination of people based on their genetic profile) is one probable future if ethics is thrown out of the window. |
Yep, that's the problem: when is it too much to meddle into natures way of doing things?
Sure it might be cool to get rid of the disease, and genetic malformations, but there must be some line we shouldn't cross otherwise the repercussions might be horrendous. And not just in the Gattaca way.
Imagine AM is fiddling with some virus, or bacteria. And he messes up its original DNA and makes some crazy super resistant bacteria. It's all well if it's contained into the petri dish, but there is always some small percentage that it might get out. The consequences could be dire.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting ahead in scientific research and in bettering ourselves, but we must always be careful and mindful of the possible consequences...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Frant
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2010 09:36 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | I think some of the worries stems from fear of genetic fascism, ie. geneticists that brings in nietzschean views in their work, further dividing humans based on genetics. Gattaca (scifi drama dealing with discrimination of people based on their genetic profile) is one probable future if ethics is thrown out of the window. |
Yep, that's the problem: when is it too much to meddle into natures way of doing things?
Sure it might be cool to get rid of the disease, and genetic malformations, but there must be some line we shouldn't cross otherwise the repercussions might be horrendous. And not just in the Gattaca way.
Imagine AM is fiddling with some virus, or bacteria. And he messes up its original DNA and makes some crazy super resistant bacteria. It's all well if it's contained into the petri dish, but there is always some small percentage that it might get out. The consequences could be dire.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting ahead in scientific research and in bettering ourselves, but we must always be careful and mindful of the possible consequences... |
The Stand comes to mind, minus the happy christian ending. 
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Dec 2010 19:58 Post subject: |
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fisk
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010 16:19 Post subject: |
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| Yondaime wrote: | | TripleDee wrote: | | SirCez wrote: | | All good except you wouldn't kill a sheep or chicken and eat it raw there and then, or would you? |
Yes I would if I was hungry enough. |
+1
I wouldn't enjoy it but I would. |
In a survival situation if it's about either dying or living, people will go through the most extremes to survive (except those with weak minds who would rather die than go through discomfort).
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010 17:44 Post subject: |
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Soldiers ate their horses when the need arises. When you're in a dire situation meat is meat, even human meat.
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010 20:26 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Soldiers ate their horses when the need arises. When you're in a dire situation meat is meat, even human meat. |
Man flesh is said to be very nutritious 
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010 20:31 Post subject: |
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| Rofl_Mao wrote: | | Mister_s wrote: | | Soldiers ate their horses when the need arises. When you're in a dire situation meat is meat, even human meat. |
Man flesh is said to be very nutritious |
And seems that it isn't even that bad 
| Quote: | | "If you've never had human flesh before, think of the taste and texture of beef, except a little sweeter in taste and a little softer in texture. Contrary to popular belief, people do not taste like pork or chicken." |
http://www.strangenewproducts.com/2005/09/tofu-that-tastes-like-human-flesh.html |
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010 22:01 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "If you've never had human flesh before, think of the taste and texture of beef, except a little sweeter in taste and a little softer in texture. Contrary to popular belief, people do not taste like pork or chicken." |
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Doesn't taste like chicken?! I thought everything tastes like chicken... Or is it the other way around? 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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helvete
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2010 22:49 Post subject: |
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What tastes like what, the chicken or the egg?
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2010 12:57 Post subject: |
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Every human has canines, only the length differs. Canines can also be dulled by teeth grinding in childhood.
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Saner
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2010 17:04 Post subject: |
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We may (or may not) be suited to eat meat, but a lot of people seem to be suited to swallowing shit judging my some of this thread.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Dec 2010 15:19 Post subject: |
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we are both omnivores and higher order animals. This means we can prepare meat in a very different way, so as to suit our digestive tracts.
That's it. That's all you need to know.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Dec 2010 21:04 Post subject: |
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| SilverBlue wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | inz wrote: |
Give it a few decades and the issue of genetic deterioration will become less and less of an issue once we master genetic engineering. And as far as physical attributes go... you'd have to go way back in time to find any significant differences, it's just that being in prime condition isn't a factor in survival anymore. Life expectancy is far more important anyway, and has increased drastically in a relatively short amount of time - and will continue to do so. |
Absolutely, genetic modification will be the saviour of mankind. But the limitation isn't a need to master genetic engineering, it's all the bullshit ethical regulations and moral objections that severely limit the freedom of modern geneticists.
Being one myself ( specialisation in viral engineering and gene therapy) I know just how many bureaucratic hoops one has to jump through just to do a bit of transgenics on rats for fucks sake. The worst part is that all this legislation is thought up by individuals who have absolutely no knowledge of the science itself, it's fucking bullshit I tell you!
Which is why my ongoing private experiment into viral vector refinement would actually be considered unethical and likely be grounds for dismissal from the lab I work in. If I actually declared the details of the experiment in it's entirety of course...
For biotechnology to truly advance it takes immoral assholes like me who are willing to ignore some of the dogmatic restrictions. It's been this way in science forever. But I would like to mention that the UK has some of least restrictive ethical regulations out of all the countries with the technology to actually push boundaries. BONUS! |
A mad scientist?!
Did anyone else think this after reading the post? |
Hmmm, maybe that post wasn't quite worded in the most appropriate way, it does make it seem like I'm some sort of mad scientist.
All I'm doing is cutting a few corners to allow my work to progress far more rapidly then it would otherwise. I'd never actually take any risks with regards to the health and safety implications of my work. I always obey the aseptic and sterilisation protocols of the lab, and never take any equipment or materials out of the lab that haven't been through an autoclave. It's not like I have any desire to create a treatment resistant pathogen, in fact most of my experiments involve the introduction of vulnerabilities to antivirals as a selection process for transformed microbes.
The only real danger with the engineered retro-virus that I'm working with is that if you did get infected (which would be difficult, as it cannot survive ex vivo) then you would be fucked because I've massively enhanced it's delocalised integration capabilities; which along with it lacking any loci bias would result in malignant tumours sprouting up all over your body within weeks.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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Frant
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2010 04:51 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | The only real danger with the engineered retro-virus that I'm working with is that if you did get infected (which would be difficult, as it cannot survive ex vivo) then you would be fucked because I've massively enhanced it's delocalised integration capabilities; which along with it lacking any loci bias would result in malignant tumours sprouting up all over your body within weeks. |
That is quite potent and scary...
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