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the logic of my post is that by the time the PSP hits Uk shores it'll be in direct compitition with xbox360 launch. Now you say you cannot compare the two as one is handheld and another is console, BUT you fail to see that most people can only afford one or the other to be under their xmas tree this comming xmas, so yes you can compare and the price for the PSP over here at probably £200 with 1 game and values pack will not help, there is no way it'll be release at price you fellow USA guys get them at as we in Uk are always ripped off.
People will look at PSP and say its just a ps2 handheld, why buy it when i got a ps2 that plays the same games as alot of the games are already just ps2 ports with a few added extra's.
So my point is come this xmas most logical people will choose something that is new, not something that is just a rehash, now if there was nothing new to rival it then it would do even better, so IMHO Sony have fluffed up.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 11:05 Post subject: |
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I agree with mcmanic, only the hardcore gamers will get both and the PSP looks very cool for now, well at least in terms of graphics compared to todays consoles.
Once Xbox 360 hits the shelves then the PSP wont look at all as cool anymore.
And the DS doesnt look cool in terms with graphics already today means that the arrival of the xbox 360 will have a smaller impact than it will have on the PSP as the DS has some "cool" stuff that the xbox 360 most likely wont have. Such as touch screen, dual screen.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 13:24 Post subject: |
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thing is Ds will sell well in Uk simply because its available now and has a head start and is cheap so PSP has ALOT of catching up to do this side of the waters. When you compare a PSP handheld that will be £200 (most probably) against a new next gen console as you xmas present, i know what i would get and alot of parents will not buy both. Also alot of people waiting for PS3 will also be tempted due to the fact the PS3 wont see light of day till 2006 at least in Europe, giving the xbox a whole year head start. Don't belive me?..just look at the total PSP Europe cockup launch, 1st March, then June/July, then September and now possible Winter to try to get increased pre-xmas sales.
I'm glad i got rid of mine TBH, looked nice but expensive gadget that didn't really do anything outstanding that something else could do cheaper and better (i-pod, portable dvdplayer, ect,ect)
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 14:10 Post subject: |
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the new zelda game will steal the show.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 14:28 Post subject: |
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As much as I hate to admit it, I have to go with MS.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 15:22 Post subject: |
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i think ms will dominate !! xbox 360 is the stupidest name for an console i've ever heard !!
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 16:29 Post subject: |
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You obviously have not played SM64 DS then, because the SM64 DS looks a tad better then the N64 version. Not to mention the fact that SM64 DS has more levels and all the mini-games. And do not argue with me on this, even though the DS is not capable of any sort of texture filtering SM64 DS does not have any pixelated looking textures anywhere, and looks better because of the use of higher polygon models. |
Yea, I have. My friend owns a DS. And all the review sites pretty much say the same thing. People arent blind and theres no way it looks the same as the N64. Well when you port something to a "handheld system", most of the time, if not all, its not going to be the same as the console. The DS version might have things somewhat exclusive to it, but it doesnt look the same.
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/dssupermario4x4/screens.html?page=55
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/dssupermario4x4/screens.html?page=56
^^ DS Mario 64
No way. I dont even have to tell ya to watch the videos of both versions. I think everyone here has played N64 Mario and seen videos of DS Mario64 or played it.
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/raymands/index.html?tag=mp_2to9
Alot of the DS games suffer from graphical and camera flaws. I'm not exactly putting the DS down... but when someone says the graphics were as good as the 64... common.
I'd like to see the new vids of Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory on it.
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the new zelda game will steal the show. |
Quite true. The graphics for the new Zelda game are phnuemonal. Not only that, but not many Zelda games developed by Nintendo were dissapointments. The only Zelda games that were dissapointments where the ones on the CDI system. Also I didnt care much for Majoras Mask.
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The PSP costs $250, the PS2 costs what, $100? All the PSP games except a small majority are direct ports, and cost the same as a console game. Hence why the PSP and PS2 are competeing. I sure as hell would rather buy the PSP then the PS2, when i'm getting almost the same exact games and its within the same price range as the PS2, but portable. Basically - If you go out and are looking to buy the PS2 I would bet almost 95% that person would also be comparing it to the PSP, because there is nothing different besides the fact that the PSP is portable. |
What does price have to do with it? Remember when the GBA first came out? The games were like $30 or more... and you cant say that the GBA competed with the consoles. Price has nothing at all to do with it. Actually, the PSP doesnt have the same graphics as the PS2. Better yet... why in the hell would Sony develope one of their own inventions to compete with their own console? Thats where you lost me. PSP does not have the same games as the PS2 as a whole. In fact, the best launch title on the PSP now is Whipeout Pure.
http://www.gamespot.com/psp/sports/nflstreet2/index.html
^^ That looks like the ps2? 
Alot of these games take PS2 titles, change them around, and have a diff game. Look at Ape Escape. And the Tiger Woods game looks like it was the first Tiger Woods game for the Playstation One. What the hell.
Heres another good reason why their not competing. Handhelds are not consoles.  Handheld systems are for gaming on the go... and the abilities that came with the DS in my opinion are not needed. If I wanted to message someone... it'd be on a cell phone. Touchpads kinda stupid. And who the hell wants to watch a movie/video on a PSP while holding the handheld? You know... they have TVs for that. You can even put your consoles in the car, and hook your TV up.
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1.) Because the PSP is just as good/better then the PS2
2.) Have you even bothered to look at the PSP's game library?
3.) You can play movies and music on the PSP to.
4.) They are about the same price |
How can a handheld system be better than a console? Now I would expect the first one to be from a Microsoft fanboy in an attempt to insult the PS2. But I'm not going to say that yet.
The PSP's game library consists of a dozen of titles that Sony changed the name around (ex: Castlevainia isnt exactly the new Castlevainias, and Tiger Woods isnt exactly the new games from EA) and a bunch of the titles are still TBA.
Why would I want to play movies and music on my PSP? Out of all the mp3 players/ consoles/ IPods/ dvd players/ etc... you can use them. Not to mention I hate holding a handheld to watch a movie no a very small screen.
No, they arent about the same price. But I can see the PSP dropping its price to become an "affordable" handheld. See, if Sony dropped alot of stuff like the ability to listen to music and watch movies... it'd be a cheaper handheld. People still forget nowadays that gamers want to buy a handheld for games.
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You also have to remember that most people buying a game system dont keep track of whats what like most people on this forum do. So all they see is |
Where'd you gather that information from? I think people can think for themselves and buy what they want. Their going to buy the system that has the games they want. I'd say thats about the logic for them. Fuck would someone wanna buy a console for the sole abilities to play music and movies? I dont buy a cell phone and expect to play good games on it.
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Not to mention there is the "Urban Cool Yo Dawg Hype Factor" (For lack of a better word), and most people like that I can guarentee that they would rather have the PSP. Then once again you look at the price differences, and there isnt much difference hardware or software wise |
I can see that making sense. To own a PSP just to have one. There are people out there like that. For the same reason why people like to buy hiphop clothes like Shady LTD and South Pole.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 16:40 Post subject: |
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So my point is come this xmas most logical people will choose something that is new, not something that is just a rehash, now if there was nothing new to rival it then it would do even better, so IMHO Sony have fluffed up |
Thats tough to say. People are going to say whatever they want to say when a new company enters the handheld market. No doubt that the more the generations go buy, the better the handhelds will get. Its not a fluff considering its Sony's way of making "money" to put more towards its investments into the PS3. Both Microsoft and Sony have alot of money. In a business its only natural to want to make more.
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Also alot of people waiting for PS3 will also be tempted due to the fact the PS3 wont see light of day till 2006 at least in Europe, giving the xbox a whole year head start. Don't belive me?..just look at the total PSP Europe cockup launch, 1st March, then June/July, then September and now possible Winter to try to get increased pre-xmas sales.
I'm glad i got rid of mine TBH, looked nice but expensive gadget that didn't really do anything outstanding that something else could do cheaper and better (i-pod, portable dvdplayer, ect,ect) |
Thats because PS3 wont start the production of its graphics until the end of 2005. Theres also still no date for the XBox 360. Well I agree the same thing about the i-pod, dvd player, etc. Those are just extras, much like the DS had its extras. But like I said... it comes down to the games. Far as XBox 360 and PS3 goes... I dont really see any of them having a head start. Maybe you can estimate from E3. But there is no specific date for either console yet. Theres this thing called delays thats happened many times already, and I wouldnt be surprised if any console came out until 2006. 2006 is atleast 8-9 months away.
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You obviously have not played SM64 DS then, because the SM64 DS looks a tad better then the N64 version. Not to mention the fact that SM64 DS has more levels and all the mini-games. And do not argue with me on this, even though the DS is not capable of any sort of texture filtering SM64 DS does not have any pixelated looking textures anywhere, and looks better because of the use of higher polygon models. |
Yea, I have. My friend owns a DS. And all the review sites pretty much say the same thing. People arent blind and theres no way it looks the same as the N64. Well when you port something to a "handheld system", most of the time, if not all, its not going to be the same as the console. The DS version might have things somewhat exclusive to it, but it doesnt look the same.
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/dssupermario4x4/screens.html?page=55
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/dssupermario4x4/screens.html?page=56
^^ DS Mario 64
No way. I dont even have to tell ya to watch the videos of both versions. I think everyone here has played N64 Mario and seen videos of DS Mario64 or played it.
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/raymands/index.html?tag=mp_2to9
Alot of the DS games suffer from graphical and camera flaws. I'm not exactly putting the DS down... but when someone says the graphics were as good as the 64... common.
I'd like to see the new vids of Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory on it.
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the new zelda game will steal the show. |
Quite true. The graphics for the new Zelda game are phnuemonal. Not only that, but not many Zelda games developed by Nintendo were dissapointments. The only Zelda games that were dissapointments where the ones on the CDI system. Also I didnt care much for Majoras Mask.
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The PSP costs $250, the PS2 costs what, $100? All the PSP games except a small majority are direct ports, and cost the same as a console game. Hence why the PSP and PS2 are competeing. I sure as hell would rather buy the PSP then the PS2, when i'm getting almost the same exact games and its within the same price range as the PS2, but portable. Basically - If you go out and are looking to buy the PS2 I would bet almost 95% that person would also be comparing it to the PSP, because there is nothing different besides the fact that the PSP is portable. |
What does price have to do with it? Remember when the GBA first came out? The games were like $30 or more... and you cant say that the GBA competed with the consoles. Price has nothing at all to do with it. Actually, the PSP doesnt have the same graphics as the PS2. Better yet... why in the hell would Sony develope one of their own inventions to compete with their own console? Thats where you lost me. PSP does not have the same games as the PS2 as a whole. In fact, the best launch title on the PSP now is Whipeout Pure.
http://www.gamespot.com/psp/sports/nflstreet2/index.html
^^ That looks like the ps2?
Alot of these games take PS2 titles, change them around, and have a diff game. Look at Ape Escape. And the Tiger Woods game looks like it was the first Tiger Woods game for the Playstation One. What the hell.
Heres another good reason why their not competing. Handhelds are not consoles. Handheld systems are for gaming on the go... and the abilities that came with the DS in my opinion are not needed. If I wanted to message someone... it'd be on a cell phone. Touchpads kinda stupid. And who the hell wants to watch a movie/video on a PSP while holding the handheld? You know... they have TVs for that. You can even put your consoles in the car, and hook your TV up.
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1.) Because the PSP is just as good/better then the PS2
2.) Have you even bothered to look at the PSP's game library?
3.) You can play movies and music on the PSP to.
4.) They are about the same price |
How can a handheld system be better than a console? Now I would expect the first one to be from a Microsoft fanboy in an attempt to insult the PS2. But I'm not going to say that yet.
The PSP's game library consists of a dozen of titles that Sony changed the name around (ex: Castlevainia isnt exactly the new Castlevainias, and Tiger Woods isnt exactly the new games from EA) and a bunch of the titles are still TBA.
Why would I want to play movies and music on my PSP? Out of all the mp3 players/ consoles/ IPods/ dvd players/ etc... you can use them. Not to mention I hate holding a handheld to watch a movie no a very small screen.
No, they arent about the same price. But I can see the PSP dropping its price to become an "affordable" handheld. See, if Sony dropped alot of stuff like the ability to listen to music and watch movies... it'd be a cheaper handheld. People still forget nowadays that gamers want to buy a handheld for games.
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You also have to remember that most people buying a game system dont keep track of whats what like most people on this forum do. So all they see is |
Where'd you gather that information from? I think people can think for themselves and buy what they want. Their going to buy the system that has the games they want. I'd say thats about the logic for them. Fuck would someone wanna buy a console for the sole abilities to play music and movies? I dont buy a cell phone and expect to play good games on it.
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Not to mention there is the "Urban Cool Yo Dawg Hype Factor" (For lack of a better word), and most people like that I can guarentee that they would rather have the PSP. Then once again you look at the price differences, and there isnt much difference hardware or software wise |
I can see that making sense. To own a PSP just to have one. There are people out there like that. For the same reason why people like to buy hiphop clothes like Shady LTD and South Pole. |
Nice job showing us blurry screenshots of SM64 DS, shall we do a real comparison?
Not to mention the coins in the DS version coins are actual models, not little textures floating there. Obviously from the screenshots the DS version looks better because of higher polygon models. I'm not argueing that the DS is slower then the N64 (because it is), but SM64 DS looks better then SM64.
Also, check up on the specs of the PSP, it is indeed more powerful then the PS2. I also have seen many games which look better then their PS2 counter-parts, and then add on the fact that the PSP costs the same amount as a console, and it clearly competes with the PS2.
Also, the GBA was $180 when it came out, with $30-$40 games. That was much cheaper then any other console system that was out at the time.
And BTW, price has a shitload to do with what system someone will buy. There is a reason the DS is selling better then the PSP. And thats why my point is sustainable throughout all of this, since the PSP costs more/same (not less) then a console system, and has equal capability yet is still portable, I think lots of people who do NOT yet own a PS2 or PSP and would go out to buy the PS2 might have their minds easily changed to buy the PSP instead.
And i'm a Sega fanboy for your information, and I will always remain one till the day I die.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 17:03 Post subject: |
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Compare RR PSP with RR DS
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I'm perfectly aware that Ridge Racer PSP looks better then the version on DS, having better graphics is not the reason I bought the DS.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 17:11 Post subject: |
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Ladies, Ladies, learn to accept you have different opinions. Some people like GFX, some people like Features, some people like RPG's and some people like FPS's! Each of these factors make us choose our gaming platform, be it PC, Console, Handheld or our "NATURAL" toy's  ! The point is, no one is wrong or right, because its an opinion.
Mchart, Martinius, xAiTheHitman and hell, EVERYONE ELSE .. none of the consoles are any better, or any worse, they ALL have good and bad points.
plus: http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9895
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Nice job showing us blurry screenshots of SM64 DS, shall we do a real comparison? |
Nothing blurry about it. Thats what it does look like from the view of a DS. If you read in every internet review, people say the same thing. It looks like this. You have the game screen plus the touch pad screen.
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http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920758_20041119_screen006.jpg[/img]
http://media.www.gamestats.com/media/682/682831/imgs_1.html
More screens.
And Mario 64 for DS plays at around 40-50 fps. Same goes for Metroid. Playing the DS version, I really was turned off by the lack of filtering and the colors all semed very dull.
http://nintendo.about.com/od/screenshots/ss/mario64screens_2.htm
Yep... your right. Every site decided to post blurry pics (including Gamespot, Ign, Nintendo) just to piss you off
And the site you posted the pics from was this site:
http://www3.emu-zone.org/NewsUpload/2005/01/20050121/07.jpg
It only has two pics on there and the N64 one is zoomed in from the c-pad. On the N64 pics you can see the environment is more detailed than the DS version. If you look under the archway its dark and pixelated on the DS version, when zoomed in. You cant honestly tell me that looks better. If the DS in your opinion is as graphically capable as your saying, why would Nintendo still be developing 2d side scrollers for it?
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Also, check up on the specs of the PSP, it is indeed more powerful then the PS2. I also have seen many games which look better then their PS2 counter-parts, and then add on the fact that the PSP costs the same amount as a console, and it clearly competes with the PS2. |
Product Name: PlayStation Portable (PSP)
Color: Black
Dimensions: Approx. 170 mm (L) x 74 mm (W) x 23 mm (D)
Weight: Approx. 260 g (including battery)
CPU: PSP CPU (System clock frequency 1~333MHz)
Main Memory: 32MB
Embedded DRAM: 4MB
Display: 4.3 inch, 16:9 widescreen TFT LCD, 480 x 272 pixel (16.77 million colors), Max. 200 cd/m2 (with brightness control)
Speakers: Built-in stereo speakers
Main Input/Output: IEEE 802.11b (Wi-Fi), USB 2.0 (Target), Memory Stick™ PRO Duo, IrDA, IR Remote (SIRCS)
Disc Drive: UMD Drive (Playback only)
Profile: PSP Game, UMD Audio, UMD Video
Main Connectors: DC OUT 5V, Terminals for charging built-in battery, Headphone/Microphone/Control connector
Keys/Switches: Directional buttons (Up/Down/Right/Left)Analog pad, Enter keys (Triangle, Circle, Cross, Square), Left, Right keys START, SELECT, HOME, POWER On/Hold/Off switch, Brightness control, Sound Mode, Volume +/-, Wireless LAN On/Off switch, UMD Eject
Power: Built-in lithium-ion battery, AC adaptor
Access Control: Region Code, Parental Control
Accessories: Stand, Headphone with remote commander, Headphone with remote commander and microphone, External battery pack, Case, Strap
E3 Prototype Exhibition: USB Camera for PSP, USB GPS for PSP, USB Keyboard for PSP
http://playstation.about.com/od/psp/a/PSPSpecs.htm
I dont think so. The PS2 is more powerfull. And again, if you had knew what you were talking about, you wouldnt of said the PSP was "almost" as powerfull as the PS2 earlier. Almost isnt better. So make up your mind.
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Also, the GBA was $180 when it came out, with $30-$40 games. That was much cheaper then any other console system that was out at the time. |
You seem to forget that there are $30-$40 PS2/XBox games and not ones in the bargain bin. Look at NARC and all the others for example. I dont know about you, but $30-$40 to me was bad pricing for the majority of the 2d games the GBA provided. The only reason why it was cheaper was because Nintendo had no competition, and people who owned handheld was basically all they bought was Nintendo. Now that Sony entered the handheld market, well things are changing. And I said the games where $30 and up. How do you think Nintendo profits? They make money off of their handheld systems, or atleast did with the GBA.
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And BTW, price has a shitload to do with what system someone will buy. There is a reason the DS is selling better then the PSP. And thats why my point is sustainable throughout all of this, since the PSP costs more/same (not less) then a console system, and has equal capability yet is still portable, I think lots of people who do NOT yet own a PS2 or PSP and would go out to buy the PS2 might have their minds easily changed to buy the PSP instead. |
Uh, not really. I'm going to go a bit off topic here for just a sec. Remember when the NVidia 6800 GT and Ultra came out? They were selling like hot cakes. And the reason why the DS has been selling more units is because it was out since Novemember. The PSP just came out a bit ago. We can see a fluxuated change pretty soon. And for your info people buy something because they "like it". Not because of the prices. Would I settle for a "cheaper" ATI 9800XT 256mb with crappy drivers, and some incompatibility when I can get a NVidia 6800 that wouldnt have problems? Same goes for the DS and PSP. Why would I get a Nintendo DS when theres still shitloads of 2d scrollers on it, ports from past Nintendo systems that everyone already owns, a touch pad, a feature in which you can write messages to other people? When I can play the PSP (even though I dislike the movies/music feature) for the exclusives that I wanted to play in which I wouldnt of bought it if there were just a small handfull like the GameCube had. Alot of people bought it for the games unlike they did for the DS. They wanted to play the new Metal Gear Acid, Whipeout, Lumines, NFS, and many more. I'm sorry but thats logic. And its also pricey because of the hardware. If the DS had the graphics the PSP had and the games to go with it... well it'd be in more demand and cost around $150-200.
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And i'm a Sega fanboy for your information, and I will always remain one till the day I die. |
Hey, thats great. Not only did you admit to being a fanboy, but you said SEGA to make yourself sound more old school. The next thing I'll be hearing is about the DreamCast failing only because it came out at the wrong time.
And in order to be a fanboy, you have to of had a strong loyalty to one thing and think it "owns' all. And you havent quite showed me that yet with SEGA, only with graphics/XBox.
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| [sYn] wrote: | Ladies, Ladies, learn to accept you have different opinions. Some people like GFX, some people like Features, some people like RPG's and some people like FPS's! Each of these factors make us choose our gaming platform, be it PC, Console, Handheld or our "NATURAL" toy's ! The point is, no one is wrong or right, because its an opinion.
Mchart, Martinius, xAiTheHitman and hell, EVERYONE ELSE .. none of the consoles are any better, or any worse, they ALL have good and bad points.
plus: http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9895 |
Thats what I've been educating people on. In a way. Just because someone points out the flaws of a system... doesnt mean hes putting another system over it. Sure, I dislike the DS. But with good reason. I happen to think its flawed. And if you know me by now, I go where the games go. If the DS luckily gets Katamari Damacy flawless... and I mean flawless, well than I'm still not going to buy the DS, but I'll still play it one way or the other. Even though I already got the PS2 version.
Syn, what you said above is true. That stuff can influence people to choose a system, but its going to have to have more than a handfull of games to have the system a must buy.
I'll say it again. I like a system until it basically has no games that appeal to me, or the system itself is just terrible. I play the PC for RPGs/FPS's/RTS's and I play the PS2 for all its games... than I play the XBox for all its exclusives. To me its about the games. And if people are going to start saying stupid shit even about comparing Mario 64 to Mario 64 DS, well its time for a reality check. But with a handheld that runs quite slow, just gives off bad fps in a handheld that is usually all about 2d games.
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Nice job showing us blurry screenshots of SM64 DS, shall we do a real comparison? |
Nothing blurry about it. Thats what it does look like from the view of a DS. If you read in every internet review, people say the same thing. It looks like this. You have the game screen plus the touch pad screen.
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http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/920758_20041119_screen006.jpg[/img]
http://media.www.gamestats.com/media/682/682831/imgs_1.html
More screens.
And Mario 64 for DS plays at around 40-50 fps. Same goes for Metroid. Playing the DS version, I really was turned off by the lack of filtering and the colors all semed very dull.
http://nintendo.about.com/od/screenshots/ss/mario64screens_2.htm
Yep... your right. Every site decided to post blurry pics (including Gamespot, Ign, Nintendo) just to piss you off
And the site you posted the pics from was this site:
http://www3.emu-zone.org/NewsUpload/2005/01/20050121/07.jpg
It only has two pics on there and the N64 one is zoomed in from the c-pad. On the N64 pics you can see the environment is more detailed than the DS version. If you look under the archway its dark and pixelated on the DS version, when zoomed in. You cant honestly tell me that looks better. If the DS in your opinion is as graphically capable as your saying, why would Nintendo still be developing 2d side scrollers for it?
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Also, check up on the specs of the PSP, it is indeed more powerful then the PS2. I also have seen many games which look better then their PS2 counter-parts, and then add on the fact that the PSP costs the same amount as a console, and it clearly competes with the PS2. |
Product Name: PlayStation Portable (PSP)
Color: Black
Dimensions: Approx. 170 mm (L) x 74 mm (W) x 23 mm (D)
Weight: Approx. 260 g (including battery)
CPU: PSP CPU (System clock frequency 1~333MHz)
Main Memory: 32MB
Embedded DRAM: 4MB
Display: 4.3 inch, 16:9 widescreen TFT LCD, 480 x 272 pixel (16.77 million colors), Max. 200 cd/m2 (with brightness control)
Speakers: Built-in stereo speakers
Main Input/Output: IEEE 802.11b (Wi-Fi), USB 2.0 (Target), Memory Stick™ PRO Duo, IrDA, IR Remote (SIRCS)
Disc Drive: UMD Drive (Playback only)
Profile: PSP Game, UMD Audio, UMD Video
Main Connectors: DC OUT 5V, Terminals for charging built-in battery, Headphone/Microphone/Control connector
Keys/Switches: Directional buttons (Up/Down/Right/Left)Analog pad, Enter keys (Triangle, Circle, Cross, Square), Left, Right keys START, SELECT, HOME, POWER On/Hold/Off switch, Brightness control, Sound Mode, Volume +/-, Wireless LAN On/Off switch, UMD Eject
Power: Built-in lithium-ion battery, AC adaptor
Access Control: Region Code, Parental Control
Accessories: Stand, Headphone with remote commander, Headphone with remote commander and microphone, External battery pack, Case, Strap
E3 Prototype Exhibition: USB Camera for PSP, USB GPS for PSP, USB Keyboard for PSP
http://playstation.about.com/od/psp/a/PSPSpecs.htm
I dont think so. The PS2 is more powerfull. And again, if you had knew what you were talking about, you wouldnt of said the PSP was "almost" as powerfull as the PS2 earlier. Almost isnt better. So make up your mind.
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Also, the GBA was $180 when it came out, with $30-$40 games. That was much cheaper then any other console system that was out at the time. |
You seem to forget that there are $30-$40 PS2/XBox games and not ones in the bargain bin. Look at NARC and all the others for example. I dont know about you, but $30-$40 to me was bad pricing for the majority of the 2d games the GBA provided. The only reason why it was cheaper was because Nintendo had no competition, and people who owned handheld was basically all they bought was Nintendo. Now that Sony entered the handheld market, well things are changing. And I said the games where $30 and up. How do you think Nintendo profits? They make money off of their handheld systems, or atleast did with the GBA.
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And BTW, price has a shitload to do with what system someone will buy. There is a reason the DS is selling better then the PSP. And thats why my point is sustainable throughout all of this, since the PSP costs more/same (not less) then a console system, and has equal capability yet is still portable, I think lots of people who do NOT yet own a PS2 or PSP and would go out to buy the PS2 might have their minds easily changed to buy the PSP instead. |
Uh, not really. I'm going to go a bit off topic here for just a sec. Remember when the NVidia 6800 GT and Ultra came out? They were selling like hot cakes. And the reason why the DS has been selling more units is because it was out since Novemember. The PSP just came out a bit ago. We can see a fluxuated change pretty soon. And for your info people buy something because they "like it". Not because of the prices. Would I settle for a "cheaper" ATI 9800XT 256mb with crappy drivers, and some incompatibility when I can get a NVidia 6800 that wouldnt have problems? Same goes for the DS and PSP. Why would I get a Nintendo DS when theres still shitloads of 2d scrollers on it, ports from past Nintendo systems that everyone already owns, a touch pad, a feature in which you can write messages to other people? When I can play the PSP (even though I dislike the movies/music feature) for the exclusives that I wanted to play in which I wouldnt of bought it if there were just a small handfull like the GameCube had. Alot of people bought it for the games unlike they did for the DS. They wanted to play the new Metal Gear Acid, Whipeout, Lumines, NFS, and many more. I'm sorry but thats logic. And its also pricey because of the hardware. If the DS had the graphics the PSP had and the games to go with it... well it'd be in more demand and cost around $150-200.
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And i'm a Sega fanboy for your information, and I will always remain one till the day I die. |
Hey, thats great. Not only did you admit to being a fanboy, but you said SEGA to make yourself sound more old school. The next thing I'll be hearing is about the DreamCast failing only because it came out at the wrong time.
And in order to be a fanboy, you have to of had a strong loyalty to one thing and think it "owns' all. And you havent quite showed me that yet with SEGA, only with graphics/XBox. |
Thanks for proving my point that you arent even listening to me,
1.) Once again, I never said the DS was capable of producing better graphics then the N64, I just said that SM64DS looks better
2.) Yeah, Take a look at the specs buddy, the PSP is *slighty* faster in the CPU area. Graphics wise is hard to say, but the PSP has a graphics core dedicated to texture functions, and a second one dedicated to all other functions. Where as the PS2 has one with more fill rate, so its a draw in the graphics area. The sound processer needs to take cycles from the PS2 CPU to even operate, where as the PSP has a dedicated DSP chip processing all the sounds.
Obviously like I said, the PSP is equal or better then the PS2 performance wise.
3.)You seem to forget that very soon/allready there will be bargain bin PSP games, and used PSP games.
4.)You seem to forget that there are new GBA games $20 dollars, and this was when the GBA was released as well.
5.) Yeah, you sure are going off topic comparing video card sales to game system sales.
6.) Saying that my sega fanboyism has any thing to do with this topic is about as usefull as giving a cat pajamas.
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Thanks for proving my point that you arent even listening to me,
1.) Once again, I never said the DS was capable of producing better graphics then the N64, I just said that SM64DS looks better
2.) Yeah, Take a look at the specs buddy, the PSP is *slighty* faster in the CPU area. Graphics wise is hard to say, but the PSP has a graphics core dedicated to texture functions, and a second one dedicated to all other functions. Where as the PS2 has one with more fill rate, so its a draw in the graphics area. The sound processer needs to take cycles from the PS2 CPU to even operate, where as the PSP has a dedicated DSP chip processing all the sounds.
Obviously like I said, the PSP is equal or better then the PS2 performance wise.
3.)You seem to forget that very soon/allready there will be bargain bin PSP games, and used PSP games.
4.)You seem to forget that there are new GBA games $20 dollars, and this was when the GBA was released as well.
5.) Yeah, you sure are going off topic comparing video card sales to game system sales.
6.) Saying that my sega fanboyism has any thing to do with this topic is about as usefull as giving a cat pajamas. |
Ok well, now you know by fact the SM64 DS doesnt look better. They said it on the Nintendo web site.
Also, the PSP isnt slightly faster. I think your getting confused and thinking the PSP was modeled after the PS2, it aint. Its just a handheld being able to play movies/music, play exclusive games to the handheld, past PS1 games, and new downgraded PS2 games (atleast the new ones are being under TBA).
Also, how many times do I have to say this? Handhelds arent in the same league to compete with consoles. Two different things.
Naw, the PSP is not even close to the PS2 buddy. Than we should see some better loading times on the PSP than on the PS2, right? Aint happening. You also get more FPS on the PSP than on the PS2. Thats not called "slightly" faster than the PS2. I know because even on Whipeout Pure, it sometimes lags. That game itself was considered the best title the PSP has atm. It did push the PSP limits, especially at launch, which no other hand held system has done before.
Try another month before you see bargain bin PSP games. Considering the PSP just came out, I dont need to tell you how a business works right? Usually you dont lower your prices whenever your selling soo much of a thing when it comes out. Now I doubt every PSP game that is out now is a big seller... but since the handheld just came out, theres alot of people buying the games. There is no system where right after launch has its games put in the bargain bin. That would take atleast 2 more months when the titles arent selling. Its also supply and demand. A game worth $40 will drop to $20 to $15 in another month or two if its not selling.
It is off topic a bit, but than again its not. Its the same principle. If I wanted a system with better graphics and a ton of games that I would enjoy over a system that looks like its aging upon release with very few games that I'd enjoy, well..... I'd go with the games. Same thing would apply if the system with all the games had worse graphics than the one with few games. its this thing called smart shopping. I'm also not buying an XBox 360 or a PS3 until its already out, and I see what games both have to offer. You dont know because sometimes even after the good launch titles, comes the shitty games.
Well hey, I thought I'd point that out. I never even knew you liked SEGA until you said it.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree then, because from looking at the specs it is clear to me the PSP is up to par with the PS2, and since it has a console system price, it thus competes with the PS2. When you have a 30mhz boost on processor speed, about the same graphic capability, and more speed reclaimed by the CPU because the PSP has a DSP, then in my book its either slightly slower, the same, or faster then the PS2. If the PSP would have had only 1 GPU which was slower then the PS2's, then I would agree with you. But it has 2 GPU's which may or may not in the end be faster then the PS2's single unit. I'm also looking from a strict feature standpoint, and the PS2 and PSP then look exactly the same, even price wise.
Also, I dont know how you think the N64 mario looks better, it may not have pixelated textures (which SM64DS does have, but its hard to notice because they use appropriate textures), but the models in SM64DS are much much much better looking.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 23:54 Post subject: |
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gotta agree SM64 Ds version is way better than the N64 version, haven't seen any slowdowns that have been mention on here, and the only thing making it 100% perect is lack of anologue control as for me d-pad just isn't responsive enough, hopefully something that nintendo will pickup on with the psp's anologue control method on the GBA2.
Just made logical sense to me to sell the PSP, i have 3 kids, two of which never touched the PSP and thay had a DS which was used more, so sold the PSP so now they have one each for less than what i got the PSP for and also i have a GBA flash linker 512MB Ds compatible cartridge for all them (2000 odd) GBA roms, and also knowing that (posted in handheld foum) over 200 games Ds made in progress.
And i think you'll find the PSP is as powerful as a PS2 but in a different way
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005 02:30 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | I guess we will have to agree to disagree then, because from looking at the specs it is clear to me the PSP is up to par with the PS2, and since it has a console system price, it thus competes with the PS2. When you have a 30mhz boost on processor speed, about the same graphic capability, and more speed reclaimed by the CPU because the PSP has a DSP, then in my book its either slightly slower, the same, or faster then the PS2. If the PSP would have had only 1 GPU which was slower then the PS2's, then I would agree with you. But it has 2 GPU's which may or may not in the end be faster then the PS2's single unit. I'm also looking from a strict feature standpoint, and the PS2 and PSP then look exactly the same, even price wise.
Also, I dont know how you think the N64 mario looks better, it may not have pixelated textures (which SM64DS does have, but its hard to notice because they use appropriate textures), but the models in SM64DS are much much much better looking. |
Might as well stop right here than. I've said it hundreds of times before, even if the PSP where able to do 1/2 of what the PS2 can do, it wouldnt make it on par. PSP is a handheld... PS2 is a console.
Well hey, if you think like that... lets get up and have them port DMC3/MGS 3 to the PSP. See how that looks. Terrible loading times. Unable to render the cutscenes. It probably wouldnt even be able to run on there. If they did happen to do that, it would look like the game Die Hard Arcade would on MAME. All choppy and shitty.
Well new models on Mario 64 DS dont mean shit. The DS is slower and uncapable of hitting the same graphics as n64 in full power impact. You see the dirt on the roads in Mario 64 DS? Notice how the each koopa's eyes arent slanted back. They did the same thing around Mario 64, but in a less graphical usage.
Its like this. Say you take a game like Duke Nukem. The original Duke Nukem. Know how shitty that would look on todays PCs? Ok, say you work around the same graphics engine. And all you do is change some models to make it LOOK different. Thats not updating the graphics or making it a better look, its just giving the models a different look. The dirt on Mario 64 NDS looks flat layered. The grass and the dirt in Mario 64 looks bumpy as if it was an early attempt in 3D (which what the n64 did after the SNES) to simulate taller grass. Thats all this is doing.
I hope I explained it better. See, thats why they called it Mario 64 DS. It was to simulate and port the N64 version of Mario 64. And since the DS isnt powerfull enough to do that graphics wise, it was toned down, plus the whole reason it was ported was to give new features.
I'll level with ya. If they had games like say Zelda: The Minish Cap on the DS... a bunch of great games like that, I'd go for it. But until that happens, I won't. It has to have a bunch of great value games that would make me want to keep the system. I'm not a picky gamer, but I'm not stupid either. Alot of people, especially in the PC forums only play the top games a year, and thats it. They dont know what their missing.
Hell, alot of people in here didnt find NARC good, and I played it. Just to hear Madsen's voice was great, and the characters were likeable.
Its really a shame Nintendos doing this to themselves. They had to take Resident Evil and build it around the GC's hardware, and keep Zelda so people buy the system for the very few games. I'm finding myself probably needing to buy a Cube just to get the new Zelda, its a must have.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005 12:23 Post subject: |
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good news for xbox360 owners
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Yoshiki Okamoto revealed that other big-name game developers may soon join the growing crowd of next-generation Xbox supporters. He also added that, when announced, the lineup of launch titles for the console may shock the game industry.
"[Final Fantasy creator Hironobu] Sakaguchi-san, [Space Channel 5 creator Tetsuya] Mizuguchi-san, and myself have been the focus of attention so far. But I've been hearing that some other designers will also be joining [in making games for the next Xbox]. There are a lot of surprises. I find myself saying: 'What, this development studio!? This game!? These people!?'."
"If the current line-up [of games] in development for the next-generation Xbox was revealed," Okamoto said in the interview, "it would not only surprise users, but the entire industry. There probably wouldn't be anyone [in Japan] that would still be uninterested in buying the next-generation Xbox when they see the line-up." He called the still-under-wraps list "a powerful fleet of Japanese designers."
Okamoto revealed that he is currently making a number of games for the next Xbox, all in genres that are new to him. He added the games are already in playable form.
When asked if there was a negative side to working with Microsoft Game Studios, Okamoto commented, "We can't port the games to other hardware even if it seems possible, so that's a disappointment. But even with that downside to income, Xbox has specs that make us want to develop for it." Then, as a final tease, Okamoto said, "I can't reveal the specifics, but one of the games we're making will really go to the extreme."
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looks like Sony is slowly losing it stranglehold of exclusive Jap developers making xbox360 more appealing to wider audience.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005 14:38 Post subject: |
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That's a good thing.
The bad thing though is that most games will problary not even arrive in english form because I dont think they would sell too good :/
It's like on the ps2, we do get loads of console rpg's but compared to the japanese market we get very few :/
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005 14:40 Post subject: |
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damn I hate X-box, microsoft is just waiting for sony to produce all the fancy technology and waiting until Sony releases the ps3, only then microsoft will problemy release after a month or two, like what happened last time. But Sony is not falling for that trick again Sony is playing the waiting game. A prefect example of this is sony announces that ps3 will use cell processing technology, a few months later X-box says they are going to use cell technology aswell, Microsoft are copycats.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005 19:09 Post subject: |
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thing is i think this time, for devolpers not to devolp something for another system that they not normally allowed too due to exclusive rights or whatever could actual harm them more as this time Xbox360 will continue to grow more, so devolpers will loose a large chunk of income from extra sales on another machine/console, could be harder to make exclusive only games per machine and by the looks of things certain companys (like the jap ones above) are taking note.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 00:01 Post subject: |
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| dragonP wrote: | | damn I hate X-box, microsoft is just waiting for sony to produce all the fancy technology and waiting until Sony releases the ps3, only then microsoft will problemy release after a month or two, like what happened last time. But Sony is not falling for that trick again Sony is playing the waiting game. A prefect example of this is sony announces that ps3 will use cell processing technology, a few months later X-box says they are going to use cell technology aswell, Microsoft are copycats. |
Except the Xbox2 is coming out almost a year before the PS3 so what the hell are you talking about?
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005 19:05 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | dragonP wrote: | | damn I hate X-box, microsoft is just waiting for sony to produce all the fancy technology and waiting until Sony releases the ps3, only then microsoft will problemy release after a month or two, like what happened last time. But Sony is not falling for that trick again Sony is playing the waiting game. A prefect example of this is sony announces that ps3 will use cell processing technology, a few months later X-box says they are going to use cell technology aswell, Microsoft are copycats. |
Except the Xbox2 is coming out almost a year before the PS3 so what the hell are you talking about? |
Hes talking about them being copycats. And the PS3 and XBox2 has no release date. To make speculations as facts is just wrong. I know theres more XBox fans here than Sony fans, but the truth is you dont know when any of the systems are coming out. Second, XBox hasnt been announced its ready. Same goes for PS3. You might, however, get to see a Tech Demo at E3 showing off what diff hardwares can do.
Also, the PS3 graphics isnt even in production yet. They stated thats why they werent going to unveil it yet. As far as the graphics of the PS3 goes, noone knows except Sony as to how powerfull they will be. Also, there is nothing higher in production now than 4.0 ghz. The Cell Processing that Sony is planning to use will be up to those speeds. I imagine the XBox 360 might come close. That or either they'll come out with about the same hardware, but with just different features. Who knows.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005 19:55 Post subject: |
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hmmm, dont know if this should go here, but here i go anyway!
"Microsoft Announces Publishers Committed to Deliver Content for Next-Generation Xbox Platform
Publishing heavyweights such as 2KGames, Activision Inc., Atari Inc., Bandai Co. Ltd., Bethesda Softworks LLC, Buena Vista Games Inc., Capcom Co. Ltd., Codemasters Software Company Ltd., Eidos Inc., Electronic Arts Inc., FromSoftware Inc., InterServ International, KOEI Co. Ltd., Konami Corp., LucasArts, Majesco Entertainment, Midway Games Inc., Namco Ltd., Phantagram Co. Ltd., Rockstar Games, SCi Games Ltd., SEGA, Tecmo Ltd., THQ Inc., TWP Corp., Ubisoft Entertainment, Vivendi Universal Games Inc. and Webzen Inc. have committed their support for Microsoft’s innovative vision for the future of high-definition gaming. "
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8015/Microsoft-Announces-Publishers-Committed-to-Deliver-Content-for-NextGeneration-Xbox-Platform/
maybe we will see some nice games from them on e3!? lol yeah that was a cheap way to tie into the topics.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005 03:41 Post subject: |
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Most of those were already signed on since XBox. Cant believe they got Konami though.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005 11:27 Post subject: |
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| xAiTheHitman wrote: | | Most of those were already signed on since XBox. Cant believe they got Konami though. |
how about rockstar? i dont know what the deal was with them, but hey were exlusive for ps2 for a long time. and that ended, but they still got the exclusive for gta:sa. it would be nice to see that change.
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