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 Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005 22:30 Post subject: |
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Martinw: forget Ultima. They're not "in the game". As you noticed it seems they're not a scene group. Of course, their skills (cracking, decompiling, coding, graphics, music, design) definitely shaked the scene but at the same time they warned us about believing in them in the future. I have great respect for these guys (damn, how many are in this virtual team? they produce so complete "products" - a virtual factory or what?) but I count rather on Reloaded and Hoodlum. Ultima appeared and disappeared showing expressively that no uncracked protection can exist.
Notice their terrible work (graph, mus, installers, intros, etc.) and great humour in both releases - no other group provided a single comparable release. Ultima couldn't came from nowhere. Maybe they ain't in the scene but for sure they are close to the scene.
Why Ultima doesn't share their knowledge? How can you know they don't? Notice how many Starforce releases began to appear after Colin 2005 by Ultima. Maybe they do help and teach others. At least I hope so.
Who'll be next? Time and Starforce will show.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005 23:33 Post subject: |
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lol! and what if Ultima was pwned by starforce!? I mean if starforce knew these guys and bought them (like a football player)? imagine that!
impossible? nothing is impossible.
hah, what scene would do then? the only choice: nuke itself.
think about it
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 06:03 Post subject: |
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wouldnt it be funny if they were actually RLD and HLM combined? Or some sort of other mix? and they are just fuckin with us?
i could see it
u know what they should do? rld, hlm, vng whoever, should make an app that auto destroys a release when posted to p2p or bit torrents so that companies go back to the feeling that while piracy exists, its not "easily" attainable and therefore not a big problem
IM glad to see Ultima has proven that no protection is...for lack of a better word, protection. But they really should share some knowledge, atleast, with the main scene groups. As IAM said, they must be close to the scene so Im sure they have the available channels to do such a thing.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 09:07 Post subject: |
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i don't think so
don't you remember xpand rally appared on emule first?
nforce and other sites were shocked and didn't believe it works (till the time they got it, after all emule l33tz). so I don't believe they are close to the scene.
sure they got huge potential and know very well how to make a show, but I'd say they are closer to Warner Bros than the scene.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 10:08 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | i don't think so
don't you remember xpand rally appared on emule first?
nforce and other sites were shocked and didn't believe it works (till the time they got it, after all emule l33tz). so I don't believe they are close to the scene.
sure they got huge potential and know very well how to make a show, but I'd say they are closer to Warner Bros than the scene. |
interesting...get the hype up for a talented group of crackers, to the point est. groups wanna make contact, work some deals, get some leech spots, crack some low budget crap and BOOM! Buncha suits standing at ur door courtesy of Ultima - I could so see it...the BwoyDems (cops) always (well, not always) try some lame ass attempt to catch ppl...IE FBI agents posting on old BBS (like way back, early 90's) asking for phone numbers (how shit used to work), names, places etc...
Still, they are only doing their job, and there are always 2 ends to the spectrum
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 11:02 Post subject: |
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nah, doesn't fit for me
- they marked that they are not from scene (FBI lamers wouldn't do that)
- they marked that they won't be cracking all the stuffz (FBI lamers would say: 'we will!')
- it seems they didn't want to make a contact with other teams (FBI lamers would do everything to gain the info)
- they cracked two companies: some poor one (don't remember which one, but it was a good game) and codemasters so I can't agree for 'low budget' and sabotage like theory
but your theories are still interesting because i can't see myself any clue in Ultima existence...... I mean WTF, they came, cracked starcrap VMs (just like that) and left..... there must be some hidden sense or, as someone said earlier, 'message'
i checked all the posts in 'scene related chats' - there is a lot of infos about all the major groups (u can read interesting things about DEV,HLD,RLD....) but not a word concerning Ultima so it seems they are completely out of the scene being bushfighters from X-Files
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 19:24 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | nah, doesn't fit for me
- they marked that they are not from scene (FBI lamers wouldn't do that)
- they marked that they won't be cracking all the stuffz (FBI lamers would say: 'we will!')
- it seems they didn't want to make a contact with other teams (FBI lamers would do everything to gain the info)
- they cracked two companies: some poor one (don't remember which one, but it was a good game) and codemasters so I can't agree for 'low budget' and sabotage like theory
but your theories are still interesting because i can't see myself any clue in Ultima existence...... I mean WTF, they came, cracked starcrap VMs (just like that) and left..... there must be some hidden sense or, as someone said earlier, 'message'
i checked all the posts in 'scene related chats' - there is a lot of infos about all the major groups (u can read interesting things about DEV,HLD,RLD....) but not a word concerning Ultima so it seems they are completely out of the scene being bushfighters from X-Files |
thats true man
but at the same time, if i could do something easily, that you couldnt and u were supposdely the best, wouldnt you come to me not me got to you?
I dunno, this is very interesting tho...It'd be nice if they cracked the big, uncracked games like sc3 and stuff |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 21:10 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | if i could do something easily, that you couldnt and u were supposdely the best, wouldnt you come to me not me got to you? |
i'm not a cracker, i'm just an observer..... hard to imagine the situation...... but i think i would come to u and ask to share the 'missing knowledge' with me.
but.... pal, how could i come to u without knowing who and where are u? i mean how the others (Reloaded, Hoodlum and all the rest) can ask for starforce vms details without knowing where and whom to ask (if ULT is really not from scene)?
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 22:07 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | lol! and what if Ultima was pwned by starforce!? I mean if starforce knew these guys and bought them (like a football player)? imagine that! impossible? nothing is impossible. hah, what scene would do then? the only choice: nuke itself. |
Interesting but, as you said, "they are closer to Warner Bros than the scene" and so I think about this theory. If the scene doesn't really know where is Ultima from and who's inside then Starforce all the more.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005 22:56 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | | Quote: | | if i could do something easily, that you couldnt and u were supposdely the best, wouldnt you come to me not me got to you? |
i'm not a cracker, i'm just an observer..... hard to imagine the situation...... but i think i would come to u and ask to share the 'missing knowledge' with me.
but.... pal, how could i come to u without knowing who and where are u? i mean how the others (Reloaded, Hoodlum and all the rest) can ask for starforce vms details without knowing where and whom to ask (if ULT is really not from scene)? |
true. but if they are anywhere in the scene, im sure after putting out a nice release, the channels would become available...its not all that difficult ya know, u just have to have something to offer - skills, supply, money (for hardware/software/resources) etc |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005 11:56 Post subject: |
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So you are suggesting that Ultima may be a part of feds action guided on software piracy? If so then do not you think that these guys (Ultima) have enough knowledge to develop a better protection than Starforce? I think it would be easier, cheaper and better for the software industry than feds action.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005 12:58 Post subject: |
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the FLT crackers must break out from jail.
this sf3 came realy on the wrong moment.. when the best groups where wounded. and still are wounded..
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Apr 2005 23:08 Post subject: |
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I've been thinking about these latest posts and came to an idea (maybe stupid but better than nothing).
In Xpand Rally NFO they wrote: "too many rumours about uncrackable Starforce 3 last days" and they cracked it showing IT IS possible.
In Colin 2005 they wrote: "XR contained a hole which is already fixed (Starforce statement to XR crack). Should we smile because they're funny or cry because that's all they are (Padre/Ultima)" and they cracked it again, choosing the most popular (at that time) Starforce title. To prove that XR was not an accident? Or show Starforce authors that they can do anything in any moment with their protection?
I really would love to see one more release by Ultima coz I'm almost convinced they will attach another valuable information between words in the NFO. Maybe then it'll be possible to understand their "existence" and answer the question: why to crack the hardest protection and disappear.
Correct me but I see their releases as a kind of message (and maybe that's why they marked: "we're not scene group"). There's no action without reason.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 01:03 Post subject: |
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i have a "noob" question regarding protections:
having a good burner, what basically prevents us from creating a 1:1 copy of the game, so that the protection doesnt even know the disc is burned? i mean, its all ones and zeroes - readable data
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 08:27 Post subject: |
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I was thinking of buying SC:CT but first I want to know what does SF do on my PC? Like control drives or what? And can that be removed and still have a working game?
Thanks
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 09:10 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | what basically prevents us from creating a 1:1 copy of the game |
there is some range on the CD field which is not writeable (clonable?) by CD-RW & DVD-RW drives. it's clonable but only in software way (like the newest Alcohol does)
| Quote: | | what does SF do on my PC? Like control drives or what? And can that be removed and still have a working game? |
there're many rumourz about sf drivers and as i know each game contains few drivers which don't get uninstalled with the game. there're also some trojan like theories based on sf drivers but i didn't find any reliable info
what's interesting is that Ultima cracks are working together with sf drivers. when i uninstalled them i was forced to reboot the pc and after running the game they appeared again. maybe this is the way for other lads (Hoodlum, Reloaded) to follow
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 18:06 Post subject: |
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I heard some people contacted Starforce (company) and got a removal tool... Is that used when you have the game or after you uninstall it?
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 18:11 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | | Quote: | | what basically prevents us from creating a 1:1 copy of the game |
there is some range on the CD field which is not writeable (clonable?) by CD-RW & DVD-RW drives. it's clonable but only in software way (like the newest Alcohol does)
| Quote: | | what does SF do on my PC? Like control drives or what? And can that be removed and still have a working game? |
there're many rumourz about sf drivers and as i know each game contains few drivers which don't get uninstalled with the game. there're also some trojan like theories based on sf drivers but i didn't find any reliable info
what's interesting is that Ultima cracks are working together with sf drivers. when i uninstalled them i was forced to reboot the pc and after running the game they appeared again. maybe this is the way for other lads (Hoodlum, Reloaded) to follow |
If sf drivers still be intact then its not an proper crack under the now scene rulez..so under scene rulez Ultima theire first release isn't proper..
second Ultima release does not require sf drivers to be installed you dont have to reboot release will work without reboot so sf drivers are killed..only next time i hope they will also remove the stupid cd check..
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 18:50 Post subject: |
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They cracked Starforce virtual machine - I think they do not have to fulfil scene rules. Look at Colin 2005 NFO. The release is completely rebuilded with own music, graphics, installer. No "crack" dir. Their first release (Xpand Rally) was nuked because of own installer. Then they came again with exactly the same scheme: own installer and wrote: "The installer (greets to nforce) has been done by:...". They showed that scene rules should be changed (or they do not feel obliged) and people (sites) noticed it. There was no nuke.
I think no other group could do something like this without being nuked and flamed.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 19:05 Post subject: |
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| MartinW wrote: | | So you are suggesting that Ultima may be a part of feds action guided on software piracy? If so then do not you think that these guys (Ultima) have enough knowledge to develop a better protection than Starforce? I think it would be easier, cheaper and better for the software industry than feds action. |
The software industry doesnt pay the feds to book ppl.
I dunno, i think it all fits imho.
New, good protection comes out...some of the most respected crackers around have problems with..then a group no one knows comes around and cracks it like that...yet they claim they arent a scene group, and dont expect releases from them...wait, i just had a thought...what if its an old rzr, flt, dev cracker, from way back, that really doesnt do it for the game or money. but for the art of it...thats why their releases are few and far between
Interesting none the less
And if they can totally rebuild the game to make it work...damn, thats some talented shit in my view...Ive attempted cracking, and while the older stuff is not to hard, lots of repitition, the new protections...heh i dont even understand where to begin...I cant imagine rebuilding a game without protection, nevermind one with SF |
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2005 22:22 Post subject: |
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Ultima didnt crack StarForce 3,3 at all, the only thing they did is fake the starforce driver to load the game. What hoodlum/reloaded want is a full decrypted exe and the way Ultima did is exe still protected by StarForce... So if Reloaded crack like Ultima they get nuke because exe is stil encrypted...
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Apr 2005 01:07 Post subject: |
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isnt the BSA swedish or something?
lol they could do all they want to the groups as long as they arent swedish.....
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Apr 2005 17:16 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Apr 2005 18:03 Post subject: |
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"Why is there some starforce crap then before the game loads?? If it's fully decrypted it should run directly.. Also did you see when the game loads.. In the starforce screen you can see: Please wait while starforce is being fooled!!" - i don't know. exe is unprotected and u claimed not.
| Quote: | | http://www.nfohump.com/index.php?m=nfo&id=80609 read that one. Especially the piece from the loader |
sorry but i don't believe that anyone managed to read it all. after looking at this NFO i know why Reloaded can't release Splinter Cell - they're still writing NFO
"I miss Immersion , they where better and sharper and faster than light and DEVIANCE" - i miss Fairlight.
| Quote: | | RELOADED does fulfil the scene rules, that's why they don't release/crack like Ultima |
are u serious or joking? i told u that EVERY group pray for ANY crack (Splinter Cell). u want to tell that Reloaded was able to crack Colin 2005 (like Ultima did) but didn't release it to "fulfill the scene rules"? come on, be serious.... and think about their (RLD) "propers" + 600mb crackfixs...
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Apr 2005 23:26 Post subject: Re: Pac-man World 2 |
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someone correct me if i'm wrong.. the maximus possible number of pcode functions is 255 right?
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005 00:00 Post subject: |
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there are only 26 letters in alphabet. so......
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Apr 2005 00:11 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | the maximus possible number of pcode functions is 255 right? |
Do you really think that anyone here can know what is pcode and how is the maximum number of pcode functions? I mean serious answers not guessing or shooting.
Let me do a shoot for you: the number of pcode functions is virtually unlimited. If you took 255 as the maximum number then I guess you took 8bit value as the determinant, but software function isn't limited by 8, 16, 32, 64, n-bits. Also it's good to distinguish the definitions like pcode, vm, ve (virtual environment). Nforce is not a good place to talk about it and I don't think you will find any reliable person (try Google).
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Apr 2005 03:03 Post subject: cpu freez :< |
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i installd Second Sight and playing it with SFNightmare .... but whan i want to enable the CD's and use my burner (plexter) the cpu freez
i can enable it only in safe mode and whan i restart winxp stuck on the loading screen! plz plz help!!!!!
if u can plz plz e-mail me with some help cus i will not be here for a week or two....
** kesem.c@gmail.com **
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