Seems that they forgot on how to make a good racing game: Pro-tip -> There was a game by EA called NFS: Porsche Unleashed. But am sure they never heard of that one. "Went through all games released on X360 and PS3, couldn't find that one! Are you sure that is a real game?!"
After playing a round of this I HAD to start LFS and play that for a while to see if I really suck at racing games or if the games suck. Conclusion => Handling is butcherd so that derps can play these games.
Even Grid had a pretty good handling and it wasn't ANYTHING near a simulation! Somehow not even DIRT 2 or F1 managed to have that feel while driving.
the wheel feels a TON better if you tick the auto-centre to the wheel rather than the game from the control panel. The car pulls itself straight on corners now, as it should be.
The disjointed feel of the what the car is doing + what FFB is doing.
Edit @ pumpy: it's all in the input settings mate, really is. I've more or less figured mine out, but I gotta do some shit for uni now so I'll tinker more with it tomorrow. Using an X360 pad
One thing you should try though (if you're using a pad of any kind), is heading to the game's installation folder and then ControllerDefaults\PC. Take whichever preset you used off read-only and change DampeningEnabled="1" to DampeningEnabled="0". Huge difference. And like I said, get rid of "Speed sensitivity" pretty much completely
The disjointed feel of the what the car is doing + what FFB is doing.
Edit @ pumpy: it's all in the input settings mate, really is. I've more or less figured mine out, but I gotta do some shit for uni now so I'll tinker more with it tomorrow. Using an X360 pad
One thing you should try though (if you're using a pad of any kind), is heading to the game's installation folder and then ControllerDefaults\PC. Take whichever preset you used off read-only and change DampeningEnabled="1" to DampeningEnabled="0". Huge difference. And like I said, get rid of "Speed sensitivity" pretty much completely
I could play GRID with the keyboard PERFECTLY fine! (I was able to beat practically ANYONE online (most of em behind pads/wheels) and none of my friends could come close to me in LAN)
But this feels like total shit when played with keyboard. Hell, even LFS is playable with keyboard if you set up everything correctly, but you won't be as fast as someone using a wheel or mouse (=> awesome!), because the physics of the tires are really good implemented.
I doubt that shifts physics models comes any close to that of rfactor, lfs and so on...
I have to point out as well that this game has taken a lot of shit from people who are against derpism, and constantly use that fucking pear idiot, but yet cannot be bothered to set the game up, or spend some time playing with the settings. This makes me chuckle, because these same people are the ones shouting loudest about 'dumbing down' yet apparently are terrified when confronted with any other option screen apart from graphics settings.
Finally I've found some time to try the game, it's good (obviously at the highest level of difficulty) and overall the driving model is improved if compared to Shift 1, but I'm having big troubles with the performance: even at Medium-Low details (AA disabled) the framerate oscillates between 25 and 35 fps, which is quite unbearable (Shift 1 ran at 50+ fps on High details..).
edit: There's nothing that can justify such a terrible performance, and driving becomes quite problematic when there are many cars on the track. As for the physics, there are definitely some improvements (even though it's still far from being at the same level of GTR2, for instance). Waiting for a patch/new Ati drivers.
I could play GRID with the keyboard PERFECTLY fine! (I was able to beat practically ANYONE online (most of em behind pads/wheels) and none of my friends could come close to me in LAN)
But this feels like total shit when played with keyboard. Hell, even LFS is playable with keyboard if you set up everything correctly, but you won't be as fast as someone using a wheel or mouse (=> awesome!), because the physics of the tires are really good implemented.
I doubt that shifts physics models comes any close to that of rfactor, lfs and so on...
No, but to compare any of these games to GRID is a disgrace really.
Don't get me wrong, I personally quite enjoyed GRID, but there's a reason why it's playable with a keyboard. Its handling isn't good, it's quite appalling, it's on the very low end of realism and both Shift games are well above it even in vanilla state. LFS is not playable with just a keyboard; if you use a mouse as input it's somewhat manageable, but still far from ideal.
I'm not saying this game comes close to LFS or rFactor in terms of simulation, but it doesn't want to do that either. Nor does Forza 3 for example. Both F3 and this are far too forgiving; recovering from applying too much throttle is far too easy for example.
That said, this game does really have a very good engine underneath. I had a quick go with tuning the S3 (200-something 4WD), and while I only had access to tire pressure, that was very noticeable in the driving itself - fiddling with it did exactly what I expected it to do. The game is far from perfect, and perhaps we shouldn't have to tweak the controls so much, but it is entirely fixable. I'll see if I can find a full car list somewhere, see if there's any that are in LFS as well so I can make a comparison between the two. LFS may not use official names for most cars, but it's easy to tell what they're based on both by looks and by characteristics.
Honestly though, playing this, LFS or rFactor with a keyboard is just a waste of time, you're never gonna make it work. Why don't you get a 360 pad? You can get them for like €20 or €25 even at a store like MediaMarkt (to name one I know you have in Germany as well ). Just having analog steering, let alone analog throttle/braking make a huge difference.
Edit @ ixigia: I haven't had time to see if forcing it with RadeonPro or something works yet, but yesterday my game was running at 52-55 FPS and after tweaking the config file (actually *increasing* the quality) my game now caps at 60 like it should with my rig. I do have AA turned off now, gonna try forcing it with RadeonPro tomorrow because the ingame AA is shit anyway.
Edit @ ixigia: I haven't had time to see if forcing it with RadeonPro or something works yet, but yesterday my game was running at 52-55 FPS and after tweaking the config file (actually *increasing* the quality) my game now caps at 60 like it should with my rig. I do have AA turned off now, gonna try forcing it with RadeonPro tomorrow because the ingame AA is shit anyway.
Yep I'm doing some experiments with RadeonPro/profiles, if I find something interesting I'll report back.
Also check your PM, like I said my game looks tons better now and runs as smooth as it should!
Any tips for me too? It actually runs amazingly well on my 8600GT, everything maxed out (except shadows which are on low), without AA at 1280x1024. I have a problem though. In night races I have really bad performance, is there some graphic effect used in those races that causes that?
I think that even playing with a pad its still a waste, you can find old/used logitech wheels for ~30$. Here's the car list
Spoiler:
1967 SHELBY GT500
Acura NSX
Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
Alfa Romeo Giuletta QV
Alpina B6 GT3
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe
Aston Martin Racing DBR9 GT1
Aston Martin Racing DBRS9 GT3
Aston Martin V8 VANTAGE N400
Audi R8 Coupé 4.2 FSI Quattro
Audi R8 LMS
Audi RS 4
Audi S3
Audi S4
Audi TT Coupé 3.2 quattro
Bentley Continental Supersports
BMW 135i Coupé
BMW M1 PROCAR
BMW M3 E30 SPORT EVOLUTION
BMW M3 E36
BMW M3 E46
BMW M3 E92
BMW M3 GT ALMS
BMW M6
BMW Z4 M-Coupé
BMW Z4 sDRIVE 35is
Bugatti Veyron 16.4
Caterham Superlight R500
Chevrolet Camaro SS
Chevrolet Cobalt SS
Chevrolet Corvette C6.R (GT1)
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray
Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Chevrolet Corvette Z06R GT3
Dodge Challenger Concept
Dodge Challenger R/T
Dodge Charger R/T
Dodge Viper SRT-10
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
Ford Focus RS
Ford Focus ST
Ford GT
Ford SHELBY GT500
Gumpert apollo
Honda CIVIC SI
Honda S2000
Infiniti G35 (V35)
Jaguar XKR
Koenigsegg CCX
Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4
Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 GT3
Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
Lamborghini Murcielago R-SV GT1
Lamborghini Reventon
Lamborghini Reventon Hot Pursuit Edition-Polizeifahrzeug
Lancia Delta HF Integrale
Lexus IS-F
Lexus LFA
Lotus Elise 111R
Lotus Exige S
Maserati GranTurismo S
Maserati MC12 GT1
MATECH Ford GT GT1
MATECH Ford GT GT3
Mazda MX-5
Mazda RX-7
Mazda RX-7 FC3S
Mazda RX-8
McLaren F1
McLaren MP4-12C
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution 2
Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR 722
Mercedes-Benz SL 65 AMG
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Stirling Moss
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X
Monster Energy/Falken Tire Ford Mustang GT
Need For Speed SHELBY Terlingua Ford Mustang
Nissan 200SX (S14)
Nissan 240SX (S13)
Nissan 240SX (S13) Drift Alliance
Nissan 350Z (Z33)
Nissan 370Z (Z34)
Nissan GT-R (R35)
Nissan GT-R SPECV (R35)
Nissan Silvia S15 SPEC. R AERO
Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32)
Nissan SkylineE GT-R (R34)
Pagani Huayra
Pagani Zonda Cinque Hot Pursuit Edition
Pagani Zonda F
Pagani Zonda R
Porsche 911 GT2
Porsche 911 GT3 R
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
Porsche 911 GT3 RS Autobild-Edition
Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
Porsche 911 GT3 RSR Falken Tire
Porsche 918 Spyder Concept Study
Porsche Carrera GT
Porsche Cayman S
Radical SR3 RS
Renault Mégane RS
SCION tC
SEAT Leon CUPRA
SHELBY COBRA 427
Subaru Impreza WRX STI
SUMO POWER Nissan GT-R GT1
Team Need for Speed BMW Z4 GT3
Team Need For Speed Ford Mustang RTR-X
Team Need for Speed Mazda RX-8
Team Need for Speed Scion tC
Team Need For Speed Toyota Corolla GTS (AE86)
Toyota Corolla AE86
Toyota Supra
Volkswagen GTI MkV
Volkswagen Mk1 GTI
Volkswagen Scirocco
Any tips for me too? It actually runs amazingly well on my 8600GT, everything maxed out (except shadows which are on low), without AA at 1280x1024. I have a problem though. In night races I have really bad performance, is there some graphic effect used in those races that causes that?
I'll see what ixigia reports first, if it works for him it should work for you too.
Thanks for the list Vikerness. Any idea what version Supra? LFS' RB4 is based on a Celica GT4/Supra 4. Other than that, no real similarities. XRG is based on both the Mitsubishi Starion and Mazda RX7, so can't really use that. LFS has the Caterham S7, so no joy there either
Could use an XFG to compare with the GTI 1 perhaps, but I'd have to check the characteristics on both first.
wow supra rocks, i bought onre with all the upgrades apart from i didnt buy the engine swap and i didnt buy the most powerful turbo, as i wanted to keep the car class B
handles like a dream my favorite car so far you have to try it if you havent, i hated the supras in the other nfs games but this one is brilliant
i was just doing one of the retro series in it and the feckin game just seemed to get stuck forever loading the 4th track...
first crash fror me so far though and ive had a good few hours atleast
nice list, but got bored of nfs shift 1 quite fast. dont see this being any different to be honest. we need something different when it comes to car sims of late.
Any tips for me too? It actually runs amazingly well on my 8600GT, everything maxed out (except shadows which are on low), without AA at 1280x1024. I have a problem though. In night races I have really bad performance, is there some graphic effect used in those races that causes that?
I'll see what ixigia reports first, if it works for him it should work for you too.
Unfortunately it didn't work, the average framerate is even lower than before (25-35 before the tweak vs. 20-25 after the tweak)
Renaming the .exe to "Shift.exe" didn't help (it always crashes after the menu) and disabling the Catalyst AI doesn't seem to be useful either. I guess the best solution for me is to play at medium/low details for now. Thanks Werelds for the tips anyway
nice list, but got bored of nfs shift 1 quite fast. dont see this being any different to be honest. we need something different when it comes to car sims of late.
imo, nfs should go back to open world racing with cop chases but then with good physics and no overusage of bloom (see nfs:undercover )
nice list, but got bored of nfs shift 1 quite fast. dont see this being any different to be honest. we need something different when it comes to car sims of late.
imo, nfs should go back to open world racing with cop chases but then with good physics and no overusage of bloom (see nfs:undercover )
@ixigia, I got exactly the same performance as you.
You can probably put the Settings to high as they wont increase the framerate anyways, exept for shadows..
but thats just slightly..
I noticed a unexplained ten digit drop in frames right when you start the race as in your first sshot.
Strange PoS, It dont even looks stunning.
Q6600/Club3D 4890/2GB DDR2/WiN7\XP/1.5 TB/23 Inch LCD
Well werelds at least I could adjust the keyboard input speed in LFS, something I haven't been able to do in Shift 2 ingame. Had no time to look at the configs, basically only was able to play for 30 minutes and the first race in shanghai felt so wrong!
After that I started LFS and drove in the small city course and I can tell you, even though you are driving 100km/h, it feels fast and you feel the weight of the car in the corners. Here it's like oh you pressed a button. Ok lets wait 1 more second to see if you were sure. Oh ok you still press it good then 100% RIGHT.
It feels like mouse acceleration but for the keyboard. Give me fucking linear steering model AND the ability to change the rate of it!
And before I go and get myself one more analog gamepad (have 3 at home) I'll get myself a used wheel or even better a joystick emulator for my mouse. Even if I have to write that one myself! Or I'll use fucking !
Any tips for me too? It actually runs amazingly well on my 8600GT, everything maxed out (except shadows which are on low), without AA at 1280x1024. I have a problem though. In night races I have really bad performance, is there some graphic effect used in those races that causes that?
I'll see what ixigia reports first, if it works for him it should work for you too.
New nvidia driver 270.51 correct my problem with low frame rate (20->40fps). Give it a try, they seem to be pretty good for other games/cuda softwares too.
Also check your PM, like I said my game looks tons better now and runs as smooth as it should!
Any tips for me too? It actually runs amazingly well on my 8600GT, everything maxed out (except shadows which are on low), without AA at 1280x1024. I have a problem though. In night races I have really bad performance, is there some graphic effect used in those races that causes that?
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). Just having analog steering, let alone analog throttle/braking make a huge difference.
