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MAD_MAX333
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WOW what a crapfest this one will be, last had no story ( no good story) and the reason i watche was for travolta.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 01:19 Post subject: |
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hmmmmmm can't be much worse/corney than the first but yea i bet mut is happy 
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 01:27 Post subject: |
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Naw, the Punisher is great. Sure, the story was flawed. The director even said it. But atleast it stayed true to its comics. Problem was that the movie started out like all marvel movies. It doesnt actually begin with everyone KNOWING hes the Punisher. He doesnt become The Punisher until the end. Also, this time its not going to be in Tampa. Its going to be in New York. As you've seen, all Marvel films only got better in sequels.
I do have one question. If this is in New York, how come Spiderman isnt shown? Now I agree their both different. I know you cant possibley have two in the same movie because the Punisher is violent. Spiderman is more geared towards family. I guess thats the reason.
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 10:41 Post subject: |
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fisk
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 12:28 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | WOW what a crapfest this one will be, last had no story ( no good story) and the reason i watche was for travolta. |
Agreed, and I even think Travolta is a flop (hasn't made anything good, apart from Pulp Fiction).
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 12:43 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | WOW what a crapfest this one will be, last had no story ( no good story) and the reason i watche was for travolta. |
Agreed, and I even think Travolta is a flop (hasn't made anything good, apart from Pulp Fiction). |
his performance in A Love Song For Bobby Long wasn't that bad
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 14:44 Post subject: |
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Is it the fact that you people dont like The Punisher? Or is it you guys just didnt like how the movie turned out? It was nowheres near a tragedy as The Hulk movie was.
Do you guys think a Punisher/Spiderman film would work? Spiderman and Punisher both appeared in the comics together.
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Mutantius
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Saner
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 15:30 Post subject: |
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Why do they continue to make sequals to shite movies.
there are very few ORIGINAL films coming out this year, most are re-makes or sequals, looks like next year will be little diffrent.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 15:34 Post subject: |
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| |nSaNe wrote: | Why do they continue to make sequals to shite movies.
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hahaha, I liked it alot of people did, so please shut up.
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Saner
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 15:37 Post subject: |
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A lot of people liked Staw Wars Ep1 , that still dosent make it anymore than a shite film.
regardless, I watched this one, and it was crap, entertaining crap non the less, but I still stand by what I said, movie studios should spend time working on original idea's, not making sequals and re-makes.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 15:40 Post subject: |
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| |nSaNe wrote: | A lot of people liked Staw Wars Ep1 , that still dosent make it anymore than a shite film.
regardless, I watched this one, and it was crap, entertaining crap non the less, but I still stand by what I said, movie studios should spend time working on original idea's, not making sequals and re-makes. |
Well thankfully you are not the majority of people.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 16:34 Post subject: |
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| |nSaNe wrote: | A lot of people liked Staw Wars Ep1 , that still dosent make it anymore than a shite film.
regardless, I watched this one, and it was crap, entertaining crap non the less, but I still stand by what I said, movie studios should spend time working on original idea's, not making sequals and re-makes. |
Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it's shit.
You're right though. They should make more original movies. Getting sick of these sequels, remakes, etc. Although they could improve from the first Punisher with a sequel. Comic book sequels are usually better than the first (well recently, X-Men and Spider-Man).
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Saner
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 16:36 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | and it was crap, entertaining crap non the less, |
I really dont think I am the only person in the world that thought it was bad, but to each there own... we all like diffrent things, but I still stand by what I said, it was not a good film by any streatch of the imagination.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa! |
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 16:47 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | |nSaNe wrote: | A lot of people liked Staw Wars Ep1 , that still dosent make it anymore than a shite film.
regardless, I watched this one, and it was crap, entertaining crap non the less, but I still stand by what I said, movie studios should spend time working on original idea's, not making sequals and re-makes. |
Well thankfully you are not the majority of people. |
I agree Mutantius.
These people dont understand theres only soo many ideas for films. Its not like you grab a new idea out of the hat and use it. Its not the Punisher's fault that there were revenge action flims before it. I cant believe the amount of people who hated Sin City on here. As for the idea part, what would happen if Night Of The Living Dead came out today? People would say that idea was taken already. I'm beginning to think the first people who come up with a new idea to put into a film, and make a decent storyline out of it, it automatically becomes a work of dam art. Please, noone bash the Punisher. The movie was one of the VERY FEW movies to get its source material right. The only difference is Frank actually had a daughter that was massacred. I'm sure if they wanted to, they could of just skipped the whole how he became The Punisher bit, and just moved onto a new story. Point is, not everyone knew who The Punisher was. So they actually had to show where it all began. Just like you cant take Spiderman years later without explaining what happened, and how he became Spiderman. That also applys to any other comic-book or game related movies. The movie would than leave alot of people in the dark.
My only regret about The Punisher movie is that Castle didnt have a big fight with Saint at the end. That would of been great. Also, I believe that John Saint will be Jigsaw in the next movie.
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Not only that, but you'd destroy one franchise. Spiderman franchise isnt aimed towards violence. If it went into a new light with Punisher... than its safe to say it takes a new turn. If Punisher became soft, than it would ruin that franchise. Either or, one sides going to lose.
Also, theres not too many script options for Spiderman/Punisher. It would definately have to be Rated R. Also, the biggest chemistry would be how Spiderman/Punisher get along. I can see how Spiderman would see Punisher as a menace because of how he disposes of his enemys, killing them. Spiderman is more of a person who would arrest ya. I guess they would build that into it. I just doubt it would happen because they dont want to bring Spiderman into an adult audience.
However, I could see Punisher working with Batman. Considering their not actually superheros, but both human. Both characters' familys were murdered.
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Saner
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 16:53 Post subject: |
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you can bobble on about Sin City and night of the living dead etc... but the diffrence is they where well made films.
the punisher (and I respect the fact its only my opinion) was a bad movie, it was entertaining, but by no means a good movie.
Its ok to say "there are only so many original ideas" but that just means some people have a limited imagination, there are books coming out on a weekly basis that have original ideas, or take old ideas and twist them around in an original way.
Hollywood is just too pre-ocupied on making sequals and re-makes, Its not a case of "thats more of the same" its the complete lack of idea's coming out of hollywood be them remakes or sequals, I have no problem with filsm that have the same ideas, but atleast try and do it in an original way.
Sin city is a good example it could just have been another Comic book to Movie conversion, but they did it in an original and clever way, and it worked.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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fisk
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 17:32 Post subject: |
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When it comes to taste, it's hard to argue.
I think that anyone who likes "Punisher" has poor taste, when it comes to liking "Punisher".
And I'm talking about the movie.
Here's why I didn't like the movie:
1. The atmosphere was too damn "stunt-movie-ish", I'll try to explain what I mean: It doesn't feel real at all, it feels as if it's a bunch of effects more to demonstrate the capability of the stunt/effects-teams ... I find it lacking coherence, and I'm looking for any atmosphere (á la Batman 1 for instance). If they had managed to create an atmosphere, and made sense to these sporadic bunch of action shots, I may have liked it. The team behind the movie X-Men did a better job in every way.
2. Bad "Comedy" is out of place, I never liked action comedies much... there are only so many action comedies I like (I can only remember Lethal Weapon and Die Hard). The whole "he-he"-aspect of this film is lost on me, take it away.
3. The entire first series of shots on the beach house, where nearly all the family gets killed is so incredibly cheap, and goofy. I really hate it. To me, this, and the "funny neighbor"-crap ruined the entire movie.
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Oh, I liked Sin City. My all-time comic-to-film conversion is "The Crow" by Proyas, though, with Batman (with Nicholson) as a runner up.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 19:09 Post subject: |
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the punisher (and I respect the fact its only my opinion) was a bad movie, it was entertaining, but by no means a good movie.
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Isn't the main purpose of most movies to entertain, so if it entertained you it fulfilled it's purpose, and should therefore be regarded as a good movie.
I though Sin City was alright, but without all the talented actors it would have crumbled in my opinion.
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Saner
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 19:13 Post subject: |
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As you live in the Uk you will understand this, I watch a hell of alot of shit on the horror channel, not because its good, but because its entertaining 
as I said above, the Punisher as a film was crap, but I was entertained for two hours , but I have never watched it again as its a bad film. I more sat there and laughed at how bad some of the lines where....
a good film (for me) is something that you watch atleast a couple of times and it sticks iny our mind, if I hadent of sen this topic I wouldnt have even thought about the punisher again.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2005 19:51 Post subject: |
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you can bobble on about Sin City and night of the living dead etc... but the diffrence is they where well made films.
the punisher (and I respect the fact its only my opinion) was a bad movie, it was entertaining, but by no means a good movie. |
Well, I actually liked Sin City. I was referring to those who hated Sin City because it was a good film. Far as Night Of the Living Dead, its the truth. If it came out today, it wouldnt be good to most people because they would think it copied elements. Wouldnt matter how enticing the storyline would be. Even today, I'm sure if it came out it would use great special effects. Well, if everyone says The Punisher sucks here except for me and Mutantius, are you implying that only people who are fans of The Punisher would like it? I looked at the movie for what it was though. Not as a fan. I liked it alot for what it was and as a Punisher fan.
Fact is this about marvel movies. They get better each sequel.
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Its ok to say "there are only so many original ideas" but that just means some people have a limited imagination, there are books coming out on a weekly basis that have original ideas, or take old ideas and twist them around in an original way. |
I suppose so. But would all these ideas work on film? I mean common, theres only so many ideas out there. Sure, I admit that some directors/scripter writers dont have the imagination, but their no good. Uwe Boll comes to mind.
Sin City did have a new idea, but than again not so new. Was to take the picture and have it in black and white like oldschool cinema. Also, to give it that comic book feel.
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Hollywood is just too pre-ocupied on making sequals and re-makes, Its not a case of "thats more of the same" its the complete lack of idea's coming out of hollywood be them remakes or sequals, I have no problem with filsm that have the same ideas, but atleast try and do it in an original way. |
Than its safe to say that all remakes and sequels will fail. With the exception of some films. Look at that new house of wax movie. It made what was a good film into a slasher flick. I bet Vincent Price is turning in his grave right now.
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When it comes to taste, it's hard to argue.
I think that anyone who likes "Punisher" has poor taste, when it comes to liking "Punisher".
And I'm talking about the movie.
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The Punisher itself is a very good story. Heres what I honestly think. I think that the movie itself limited the imaginations of what people expected it to be. I'd honestly would of liked it if they did The Punisher in a different direction even though I liked the movie. I rather of it done by a different director and a different sequence. First, do the Vietnam scenario. Than do how he became The Punisher. Than do the villians and other plotlines later on. One could argue that doing a Punisher in Vietnam would just be another Nam movie, but it could be good if the script was good. Because The Punisher isnt that popular, people would want to get to know him. Probably know what happened to him in Vietnam, what happened while training.
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1. The atmosphere was too damn "stunt-movie-ish", I'll try to explain what I mean: It doesn't feel real at all, it feels as if it's a bunch of effects more to demonstrate the capability of the stunt/effects-teams ... I find it lacking coherence, and I'm looking for any atmosphere (á la Batman 1 for instance). If they had managed to create an atmosphere, and made sense to these sporadic bunch of action shots, I may have liked it. The team behind the movie X-Men did a better job in every way. |
Fair enough. But the violence in Punisher requires special effects. I suppose they could of made it a huge war on criminals type of story that was dramatic. Maybe we could of seen more of what Frank went through right after he was left for dead. Maybe people thought the movie went too fast in that dramatic sense? Maybe he didnt build up enough rage in the movie.
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3. The entire first series of shots on the beach house, where nearly all the family gets killed is so incredibly cheap, and goofy. I really hate it. To me, this, and the "funny neighbor"-crap ruined the entire movie.
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Well, I'll level with ya. The neighbors shouldnt of been put into this movie. It slowed progress and took up screen time when different ideas could of been put into the mix. Far as the familys dieing, I thought it was sick. Or maybe it didnt successfully give the sick atmosphere it was supposed to for some people? Thats what happened in the comics anyway. The terrorists came by and killed Frank's family. Theres no better way you can put it unless you ignored the source material. Terrorists come in and kill his whole family with guns.
You guys have to understand the movie is flawed. The director said it himself and hes working to improve it on part 2. I highly doubt the second movie will go under the level the first 1 was.
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I though Sin City was alright, but without all the talented actors it would have crumbled in my opinion. |
Thats debatable. I still think alot of unknowns could pull the parts off good. Just because big time actors starred in the film, doesnt mean it would suck if it had unknowns. After all, who do you think is going to replace the actors of this generation later on?
Well, I rather have a movie done right if its based off the comics or a game. Even if the source material doesnt sound interesting. The Punisher, a man who survived Vietnam, went on to spec ops, had a family, family gets killed, Punisher gets revenge, Punisher than goes on series of missions to fight criminals. There was no super heros in Punisher move, but more a crime syndicate. But later on, there will be super heros. Jigsaw comes to mind as a villian. Look at the source material. Its not some outlandish story like Spiderman. But it did stay true and it was a good movie.
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Yea, I was quite happy when they announced it a few months back 
