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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 14:24 Post subject: |
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yeah, but Portal 2 is not a FPS, it's difficult to compare it with Half-Life 2.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 14:59 Post subject: |
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I don't give a shit anymore about ep3. I've seen enough of Source and giving us an episode after all this time won't mean shit. It's time for HL3 with a brand new Source engine.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:01 Post subject: |
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"a brand new Source engine."
^ That won't happen.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:23 Post subject: |
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i don't know why . call me delirious or crazy but i got the feeling that the next announcement for a game will be HL3 .
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:25 Post subject: |
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| fable2 wrote: | | i don't know why . call me delirious or crazy but i got the feeling that the next announcement for a game will be HL3 . |
You sir are crazy and delirious!  xD
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:25 Post subject: |
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I think we'll see EP3 during this actual "generation", maybe in ~3 years from now (assuming that the current console cycle will last until 2014-15)..or maybe never, it's just a lie.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:34 Post subject: |
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Ep3 is an urban myth...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:40 Post subject: |
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Fuck HL2, the original HL was more inventive and with less handholding. Also, the guns didn't feel gay and the enemies weren't sissy bitches ready to be ragdolled. The aliens are pretty gayass, too, in HL2.
Also, HL was loooonger and without useless ingame cutscenes.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:41 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:44 Post subject: |
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L4D + L4D2 combo was ridiculous indeed ...
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:50 Post subject: |
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I totally didn't like L4D... It felt boring...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:51 Post subject: |
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| madness wrote: | HL3 will probably come in like 6-7 years looking at Valve's current record, so why can't they start a new engine from scratch ?  |
I am talking about something that may be released in the next few years of course 
They're moving their games forward in the newer codebases, they don't want to abandon them.
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_SDK_release_notes_archive#05.2F11.2F2010_Release
http://store.steampowered.com/news/3872/
http://store.steampowered.com/news/2359/
http://store.steampowered.com/news/3976/
http://store.steampowered.com/news/4033/
http://store.steampowered.com/css
http://store.steampowered.com/news/1594/
| Quote: | | Well the problem with developers commentary is you tend to want to bundle it into a larger update because if you’re going to have to go and update a whole bunch of content for something you sort of want to do it as rarely as possible. The point being that it might be useful for people to understand how we make those decisions; how do we decide to drop DX7 [DirectX 7] support or how do we decide bring all of the Half-Life 2 maps up to the Portal 2 engine. What are the set of tradeoffs that we think about, because I think exposing those tradeoffs and how we make those decisions is even more useful than picking a specific issue. |
| Quote: | | Say we introduced a new rendering feature in Portal 2 to get that rendering feature into Counter-Strike: Source is really difficult because the specific thing we would have to do would be bring that entire codebase forward which one of the effects of that would be that Counter-Strike: Source would no longer work if it were running in DX8 [DirectX 8], and our products are very long-lived and we want to be able to give as much value to customers as we can over time but those transition where it’s like ‘Well, the codebase is going to change in a significant way or it’s going to support specific type of hardware is going to go away’, those are rough and we need to make sure that the thing we’re giving to customers is more valuable than that transition cost, so that’s how we look at those things. |
I think the key thing is that there is a lot of value to releasing regular updates to our technology base. It’s a super useful thing to do because the benefits then are going to accrue to all of the different games that we have. So I think that as products like Team Fortress 2 continue to iterate and add new capabilities to those games we want to see those capabilities and technologies being applied to Left 4 Dead or future titles in our other game categories. So, I think that, we would switch up when there was a sort of a discontinuity, when there was a group of features that were just going to take too long to be able to capture them in a single update. That’s one we would need to switch out of the rapid iteration and move towards a bigger chunk of changes. One of those changes would be something like Larrabee.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 15:56 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | Fuck HL2, the original HL was more inventive and with less handholding. Also, the guns didn't feel gay and the enemies weren't sissy bitches ready to be ragdolled. The aliens are pretty gayass, too, in HL2.
Also, HL was loooonger and without useless ingame cutscenes. |
The bold part is where you are correct.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 16:20 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | I totally didn't like L4D... It felt boring... |
I'm on n off on the l4d series too.
I have both, tried l4d2 last night and it was good lol, alot more game modes now.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 17:32 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: |  |
Portal was released with EP2, and L4D1 was announced the same year EP1 was, but EP1, EP2, Portal & TF2 managed to be released before it..
| Quote: | | I totally didn't like L4D... It felt boring... |
Good thing then that they have a variety of IPs alive and kicking for you to choose?
HL - SP FPS
Portal - SP puzzle game + MP co-op puzzle game as of P2
CS - MP "hardcore" FPS
TF - MP class based FPS
L4D - MP co-op FPS
DoD - MP class based FPS
Alien Swarm - MP co-op class based top down shooter (<- not that alive this one )
Dota - MP Action RTS
(I'm not including HL2:DM because I don't think it's an IP that can stand on its own)
7 different active IPs (soon to be made 8 with Dota 2), with games that play completely differently (HL and Portal play completely differently, CSS and L4D play completely differently, etc) and many of them are considered to be among the greatest games of all time.
The fans would like Valve to have released HL5 by now, but they did the right thing (for them and for the industry in general, it's a healthy approach) to create new IPs. How many companies have games from 7 different IPs that are still being played each day by thousands?
Right now, one of their least successful games, Day of Defeat: Source, that was released in 2005 for $20 (budget title), has the amount of people playing Homefront x 3.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 17:59 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | Good thing then that they have a variety of IPs alive and kicking for you to choose?
HL - SP FPS
Portal - SP puzzle game + MP co-op puzzle game as of P2
CS - MP "hardcore" FPS
TF - MP class based FPS
L4D - MP co-op FPS
DoD - MP class based FPS
Alien Swarm - MP co-op class based top down shooter (<- not that alive this one )
Dota - MP Action RTS
(I'm not including HL2:DM because I don't think it's an IP that can stand on its own)
7 different active IPs (soon to be made 8 with Dota 2), with games that play completely differently (HL and Portal play completely differently, CSS and L4D play completely differently, etc) and many of them are considered to be among the greatest games of all time.
The fans would like Valve to have released HL5 by now, but they did the right thing (for them and for the industry in general, it's a healthy approach) to create new IPs. How many companies have games from 7 different IPs that are still being played each day by thousands?
Right now, one of their least successful games, Day of Defeat: Source, that was released in 2005 for $20 (budget title), has the amount of people playing Homefront x 3. |
Wow... Greatest explanation so far... I'm speechless. Great job man! I agree with everything consolitis said
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 18:32 Post subject: |
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No one here is complaining about the lack of a HL5 announcement, but about the HL2:Ep3 release. Valve ended HL2 with a cliffhanger and promised three HL2 addons to deliver a satisfying conclusion. I didn't complain back then because HL2 was lengthy enough to stand on its own but I still care for the grand finale, and it's 2011 by now.
We don't want to force Valve to make more HL games, just to finish the HL game they're currently working on and to release it before it becomes (too much of) a joke.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 19:08 Post subject: |
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And I completely agree  but there's probably good reason, because unlike id, 3drealms, etc they've released new (quality) products since EP2.
There's a difference between 3DRealms releasing 0 products in 15 years, and Valve, releasing 4 games, and countless TF2 updates etc in 4 years.
Are they looking forward for a large number of households to buy decent webcams to do eyetracking?
Was the development reset because of poor choices they made (like with the Portal prequel)?
Are they implementing their completely original FSTOP gameplay mechanic originally developed for the canned Portal prequel?
Was EP3 developed with the Larrabee in mind, but after the cancellation of the product they had to start from scratch?
etc
I am frustrated, as well of course, but I believe the end product will be worth it.
The Portal 2 SP, sequel to their 3 hour game, lasts longer than EP2, and if you include the co-op campaign as well the total playtime nearly doubles.
What does this mean for the next HL? Most likely it will last 10+ hours. Maybe there is going to be an additional co-op mode. The enemies perhaps are going to be spawned live based on the L4D AI Director. Brand new tools (weapons) or gameplay mechanics for the gravity gun? Portal 2 did it, why not HL?
Portal 2 picked up things from their other games (cinematic presentation from HL, microtranscactions from TF2, see-through-walls for the portals from L4D, minimalistic storytelling for the co-op from L4D)..
When we play the next HL, it won't be "EP2 rehashed", that's for sure.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 19:46 Post subject: |
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They often call the "next HL", HL3 themselves. A recent example:
| Quote: | As it had done in Half Life 2, the team left a few hidden Easter eggs for players to find, but in truth the desire was to separate Portal from Half-Life, not to provide a surprise bridge to the next Half-Life game.
"If we did too much teasing, players would just say 'Give us Half-Life 3 you bastards!'" explains Wolpaw. |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 20:06 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | Good thing then that they have a variety of IPs alive and kicking for you to choose?
HL - SP FPS
Portal - SP puzzle game + MP co-op puzzle game as of P2
CS - MP "hardcore" FPS
TF - MP class based FPS
L4D - MP co-op FPS
DoD - MP class based FPS
Alien Swarm - MP co-op class based top down shooter (<- not that alive this one )
Dota - MP Action RTS |
Yes, awesome MP variety.
Too bad that MP doesn't do much for me. 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 20:13 Post subject: |
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About half of their games are SP though. HL1 + 2 expansions + HL2 + 2 episodes + 2 Portal games = 8 SP games.
3 CS + 2 TF + 2 L4D + 2 DoD + AS = 10
8 SP/18 TOTAL = 44% SP
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 20:16 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | About half of their games are SP though. HL1 + 2 expansions + HL2 + 2 episodes + 2 Portal games = 8 SP games.
3 CS + 2 TF + 2 L4D + 2 DoD + AS = 10
8 SP/18 TOTAL = 44% SP |
Yea, all nice and dandy but aside from Portal 2 they haven't put anything that had an SP since 2007 (Ep.2).
That's almost 4 years now...
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 20:19 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | consolitis wrote: | About half of their games are SP though. HL1 + 2 expansions + HL2 + 2 episodes + 2 Portal games = 8 SP games.
3 CS + 2 TF + 2 L4D + 2 DoD + AS = 10
8 SP/18 TOTAL = 44% SP |
Yea, all nice and dandy but aside from Portal 2 they haven't put anything that had an SP since 2007 (Ep.2).
That's almost 4 years now... |
You are saying that as if Portal 2 didn't reset the 4 year gap. It's not "almost 4 years now" anymore. It's less than a month.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 20:23 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | You are saying that as if Portal 2 didn't reset the 4 year gap. It's not "almost 4 years now" anymore. It's less than a month. |
Well... for me it kind of didn't.
Still haven't played it and while I liked the original, I've always liked HL better.
So there's almost 4 years since anything HL, which I guess was my point from the start.
Too long Valve, too fucking long! 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2011 20:49 Post subject: |
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