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VonMisk
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I blame S-E because they have a tendency or just bad luck to release poor quality sequels eg.: Supreme Commander 2, Kane & Lynch 2 (but IMHO first part was bad too), Front Mission (D)Evolved.
Throne of Agony - haven't played, can't discuss but on vids it's looks more like Dungeon Siege than DS III.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:30 Post subject: |
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DS-Throne of Agony is practically identical to DS3 =) As for SE? They've made some horrendous decisions, but I don't - yet - blame them for the state of games coming out from development houses they publish. Not yet.
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:51 Post subject: |
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I put blame on SE becuase it's theirs IP not Obsidian's. I don't think that they just gave the developement to them and said do what you want and we will just give you infinite amount of money. Obsidian is just a mercenery, not the best one but (I think) inexpensive. And I put a little blame on Chris Taylor who apparently lost himself after SC 1.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 12:17 Post subject: |
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lol Chris Taylor is now working on the Age of Empires Online game.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 12:22 Post subject: |
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It's more like Chris Taylor and SE wanted to make money from DS franchise and couldn't wait until his team finished working on AoE online.
Obsidian flopped pretty hard with Alpha Protocol and when the rpg idea they pitched to SE was considered too risky they had to bite the bullet.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 15:56 Post subject: |
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Maybe I'm imagining things, but it's clearly the publisher leading here. Obsidian has put as much lore and detail as possible in this game, but I think they got the task "make a flashy fast game with tons of action". It has the Obsidian touch, but the higher ups turned it their way. The more I play the game, the more I realize this is one big fucking chance that is missed. The game could've been a lot more.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 21:54 Post subject: |
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I didn't even check if the man was involved to be honest Sabin. It just seemed straight off to me that this game was much more an Obsidian game in style then it was to anything CT had done in the past.
I'm probably wrong again, but I would suspect most of his input was probably just to give Obsidian guidance for the backstory/lore of the DS universe not actually to do with any of the gameplay.
He may have not been the best game designer but he was a innovative developer, and always tried to incorperate something innovative into all his past games including DS. This game whilst not a bad game has little to no innovation at all.
As for Square/Enix well they forced Yasumi Matsuno to cut at least 50-70% of the content he had planned for the PSP remake of Tactics Ogre 'Let Us Cling Together'.. Whether it was time or money constraints imposed by them it does highlight how big an impact a publisher can have on a games delelopment.
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W123
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 00:00 Post subject: |
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I dont remember being able to get that many people in DS1
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 00:03 Post subject: |
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| W123 wrote: | | I dont remember being able to get that many people in DS1 |
8 is tha maximum party size in the first game.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 00:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 00:18 Post subject: |
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It is finished and patched a couple times already. Still some bugs remain but it can be completed np and it's terrific (provided you like Ultima)
http://www.u5lazarus.com/Downloads.php
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 00:22 Post subject: |
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| pillermann wrote: | It is finished and patched a couple times already. Still some bugs remain but it can be completed np and it's terrific (provided you like Ultima)
http://www.u5lazarus.com/Downloads.php |
I'll try it after I finish the original campaign. I must have read something that was referring to an older version probably.
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dsergei
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 06:48 Post subject: |
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I beat the game. Why is there no twist in the end? So you just whack  Spoiler: | Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder Jeyne Kassynder and the stupid god |
and that's it? Obsidian i am disappoint 
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 10:25 Post subject: |
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I just reinstalled DS1 and holy shit, have I missed the song that comes on during your escape from the farm <3
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 10:48 Post subject: |
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that music was pretty epic the way it builds up at the very start. pity the music in ds3 is no where near as memorable.
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 11:47 Post subject: |
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| xyzg wrote: | | that music was pretty epic the way it builds up at the very start. pity the music in ds3 is no where near as memorable. |
DS3 had some moments, but nowhere near DS1/2, I recognize those songs everywhere. The ones I loved, that is.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 12:07 Post subject: |
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Replaying Dungeon Siege 2 at the moment. It's SO much better in every conceivable way - except for the dated visuals.
It reminded me of how a decent hack/slash with a decent story should work.
DS3 is a joke in comparison, but it IS "ok" as a light BG:DA clone.
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dsergei
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 19:12 Post subject: |
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http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showtopic=57715&st=0
They are working on PC control fixes along with other various issues.
But this actually made me laugh out loud
| Quote: | | The story is substantially more complex than what you're lead to believe from the demo. You learn more about the complexities of character's motivations later in the game, and while the story does begin with a relatively simple, uncomplicated goal (stop JEYNE KASSYNDER!) there's a lot more complexity revealed later. So I wouldn't really judge the story of the entire game from what you see in the demo. |
How about no. There is no complexity, the game is linear and the original uncomplicated goal is still there at the end.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 19:33 Post subject: |
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fucking JEYNE KASSYNDER
I hope this doesn't turn into a meme, it's be super annoying already
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 20:21 Post subject: |
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yeah i'm getting pretty tired of hearing her name, they should shorten it to rabid bitch or horag just so its not JEYNE JEYNE GUESS WHO THE ANTAGONIST IS JEYNE
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 20:28 Post subject: |
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So will they fix the appearance of the name Jeyne Kassinder in every friggin' conversation and cutscene?! Because I'm getting really annoyed by the repetition.
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dsergei
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Jun 2011 20:32 Post subject: |
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I actually thought they did it on purpose - and in the end the real villain will be revealed - Odo or the Radiant Youth or w/e. But no it's JEYNE KASSYNDER!
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(not to mention 
. I'm going to probably play Dungeon Siege 2 after this though, I'm not sure if I want to play even that again, because even that is so inferior to this, might as well go through the Legends of Aranna campaign again...
