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dethy
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http://www.itnews.com/legislation/34495/why-your-business-should-worry-about-isp-copyright-fight
Interesting read, especially the part where local businesses or even libraries that offer free wifi access.
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LuckyStrike
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 06:06 Post subject: |
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| LuckyStrike wrote: | | nahu_capo wrote: | That's the land of the free, the palace of democracy.
I crap on that, US government has always worked to keep wealthiest and powerful more and more wealthiest and poweful |
I think russia has that podium place, nowadays...Shit they even got highschool students doing nudeshoots of entire classes to offer to the mighty-mob-boss-1stminister Puttin...  |
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LMLM
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 08:48 Post subject: |
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Seems to me that torrent has made piracy so easy that this policing was likely. Our government loves getting into new wars of course. Some business are waking up to the reality that piracy is mostly about old outdated business models and distribution systems. I don't think the more experienced pirates like us here have to worry about these laws. In some ways it might help us to get the masses to stop pirating. Not sure. Certainly don't like the idea of my ISP as a perpetual copyright police and I don't like the idea of our fascist government here continuing to shit all over the Constitution.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 13:08 Post subject: |
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| LMLM wrote: | | Seems to me that torrent has made piracy so easy that this policing was likely. Our government loves getting into new wars of course. Some business are waking up to the reality that piracy is mostly about old outdated business models and distribution systems. I don't think the more experienced pirates like us here have to worry about these laws. In some ways it might help us to get the masses to stop pirating. Not sure. Certainly don't like the idea of my ISP as a perpetual copyright police and I don't like the idea of our fascist government here continuing to shit all over the Constitution. |
I guess the majority of the US is contend with shit on the constitution. Otherwise, they would protest...
Really sad...
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 16:54 Post subject: |
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Just got an e-mail from comcast for downloading dead space through bittorrent. Hopefully they can't see what I download from usenet or I'm fucked.
here it is
 Spoiler: | Dear Comcast High-Speed Internet Subscriber:
Comcast has received a notification by a copyright owner, or its authorized agent, reporting an alleged infringement of one or more copyrighted works made on or over Comcast's High-Speed Internet service (the 'Service'). The copyright owner has identified the Internet Protocol ('IP') address associated with your Service account at the time as the source of the infringing works. The works identified by the copyright owner in its notification are listed below. Comcast reminds you that use of the Service (or any part of the Service) in any manner that constitutes an infringement of any copyrighted work is a violation of Comcast's Acceptable Use Policy and may result in the suspension or termination of your Service account.
If you have any questions regarding this notice, you may direct them to Comcast in writing by sending a letter or e-mail to:
Comcast Customer Security Assurance
Comcast Cable Communications, LLC
1800 Bishops Gate Blvd., 3rd Floor East Wing
Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 U.S.A.
Phone: (888) 565-4329
Fax: (856) 324-2940
For more information regarding Comcast's copyright infringement policy, procedures, and contact information, please read our Acceptable Use Policy by clicking on the Terms of Service link at http://www.comcast.net.
Sincerely,
Comcast Customer Security Assurance
Copyright work(s) identified in the notification of claimed infringement:
Infringing Work : DEAD SPACE
Filename : Dead.Space.PC.CLONEDVD=20
Filename : Dead.Space.PC.CLONEDVD=20
First found (UTC): 2011-05-28T14:53:53.70Z
Last found (UTC): 2011-05-28T14:56:41.32Z
Filesize : 7975608589 bytes=20
IP Address:
IP Port: 2413
Network: BitTorrent
Protocol: BitTorrent =20
=0A=0AIf you have some issues please reply to esa.antipiracy@dtecnet.com= |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 16:57 Post subject: |
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That is just pathetic. What a fucking joke, really 
Make sure you use SSL with Usenet, fuck them.
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Ashok0
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 17:12 Post subject: |
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When does this six strike policy go into effect, or is it already green lit? Hopefully, this news simply means I get to laugh at people that use torrents.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 18:49 Post subject: |
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I love how these anti-piracy threads always turn into "Omg I thought we were a democracy" arguments - since when is a tenet of a free and democratic society that ability to infringe on copyrights and deny holders of those copyrights from stopping the practice.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 19:08 Post subject: |
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They can do whatever they want do but cannot break the privacy of individuals. It's clear.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 19:56 Post subject: |
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If you are breaking the law (and yes copyright infringement IS illegal), then no you are not entitled to privacy. Nevermind that the information you willingly allow your ISP to collect having no privacy protections.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 21:32 Post subject: |
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| WHEATTHlNS wrote: | | If you are breaking the law (and yes copyright infringement IS illegal), then no you are not entitled to privacy. |
That would be okay (maybeee) if they somehow knew you are indeed breaking the law.
But how do they know that I am breaking the law, and they have decided I deserve to be monitored for it?
They don't. Everyone is going to be monitored even if all they do with their internet access is play Zynga games on fecesbook.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 21:47 Post subject: |
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WTF? downloading a game doesnt prove anything...
Isnt that spreading and uploading a thing for which they can sue people only?
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 22:04 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: |
That would be okay (maybeee) if they somehow knew you are indeed breaking the law.
But how do they know that I am breaking the law, and they have decided I deserve to be monitored for it?
They don't. Everyone is going to be monitored even if all they do with their internet access is play Zynga games on fecesbook. |
That's the problem, and it's a clear attack on our privacy rights.
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 23:05 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | WTF? downloading a game doesnt prove anything...
Isnt that spreading and uploading a thing for which they can sue people only? |
It's an interesting point - at what point does the copyright infringement start - surely it's when a game is installed and played or movie is watched?
I wonder how far the lines "I thought it was a demo" or "I thought it was a trailer" will get you - they can't prove what your intentiones where with the downloaded files!
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 23:18 Post subject: |
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this is not only about privacy, but also about the industry playing judge, jury and executioner...
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arw
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 23:32 Post subject: |
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With a bit of luck laws like this will take the scene back underground where it belongs.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 23:36 Post subject: |
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| arw wrote: | | With a bit of luck laws like this will take the scene back underground where it belongs. |
says a guy with a dropbox ad in his sig, which is so well known for being overly secure and totally scene |
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| Posted: Sun, 10th Jul 2011 23:40 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | this is not only about privacy, but also about the industry playing judge, jury and executioner... |
Thanks for reminding this.
This only happened in a few regimes. Even some of the worst dictatorial ones did had a separate judiciary system. You can argue that it wasn't independent or it were just puppets, but anyway the figure of law was there.
This is very serious.
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arw
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crossmr
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Jul 2011 00:51 Post subject: |
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I think if ISPs do this, then they'll become liable for any infringement on their networks. One of their defences for this has always been that they don't monitor what the user does, so they can't be liable. If they actively start doing that, and someone gets caught infringing multiple times, the industry could turn around and sue the ISP and they may no longer have a defence.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Jul 2011 00:55 Post subject: |
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| Roger_Young wrote: | | They can do whatever they want do but cannot break the privacy of individuals. It's clear. |
What privacy do you think you have from using an ISP's internets? I'm just confused on what "rights" folks think they have using a network that doesn't belong to them.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Jul 2011 01:59 Post subject: round & round |
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Pathetic - here we go again. Since the bullshit that piracy is illegal seems to have surpassed the genuine and relevant questions about how piracy was made illegal, ie that bribery and extortion on a grand scale was the preferred method that the Clinton administration used to pass the DMCA within amerika, who then went on to force other states into adopting its 'principles', now the amnesiacs just obey the law regardless of either its constitutionality or the criminality used by its proponents to get the law passed.
Exactly the same method has been used by the successive BushCo® & oblamblam administrations to force other sovereign states to adopt this "make ISP's the DMCA police".
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/wikileaks-us-offered-to-bankroll-new-zealand-piracy-crackdown.ars
That links to an article detailing wikileaks cables from amerikan embassy in New Zealand to Washington where the strategy of bribery and stand-over is outlined.
Early in the oblamblam administration New Zealanders and Canadians alike, took action in a vain attempt to stop their governments from adopting this legislation. They failed totally even though it was apparent that the majority of citizens in both nations didn't want this type of interference in their internet activities. In NZ the legislation was withdrawn for a review which saw the ability of the recording industry to get someone banned from the net indefinitely taken off the table, but the trade off which the pols kept largely to themselves until the legislation was passed in the middle of the night 'under urgency' (a suspension of the normal parliamentary process which had been instituted to pass enabling legislation to fund repairs following a massive earthquake in ChristChurch the govt slipped this act in as well when the reporters had gone to bed).
The trade off includes little beauties such as the onus of proof is on the accused - that is if the recording industry, or publishers, accuse someone of downloading, they don't have to prove the person did download, no no, the person must provet they didn't. Proving a negative is not an easy task.
The other trade off for no indefinite suspension was the abolition of 'fair use'.
The bulk of citizens don't know it yet and the government won't tell them in a hurry because enforcement of these sorts of 'discretionary powers' is always introduced incrementally, but the old farts who tape or otherwise record TV shows that were on so late they may sleep through, will be liable for prosecution after the legislation comes into force in September 2011.
Any recording is illegal, so is 'sampling' something that also won't surface until some down at heel muso gets his royalties grabbed after he he/she has an unexpected 'hit' that the music corporations feel they deserve a slice of.
This is insidious shit as all discretionary enforcement of laws is. Drug laws are the classic example in a really bad way and so are corporate governance and banking laws in a different but equally horrifying way. Bernie Madoff was an example of the state using discretion to not prosecute someone cause they had political pull amongst a certain community. Now I betcha that community doesn't like the karma and wishes discretion hadn't been exercised.
If you think ssl encryption or the usenet is gonna keep you safe, dream on. Sure it will work for a while. An ssl encrypted VPN is easy enough to organise but expect low speeds. Most of the commercially available solutions cost around US$20/month and offer speeds of around 100 KB/sec. Build yer own sure, but expect to spend more time farting around with routers, switches and IPv6 than you do gaming.
Not that really matters cause once the dinosaur publishing industry has jailed examples from the torrent scene and moved on to the types using fileshare servers, who are easy to get, they just sniff across at the ISP's looking out for the CRC hashes of release group archives, the world will be forced to confront that which we knew but preferred to ignore.
That is there is no privacy anywhere on networks. Do you really imagine that SSL encryption doesn't have a back door? Do you? "Psst wanna by a perfectly good if somewhat used bridge?"
But by that time Joe Citizen will have swallowed the line about any copying being illegal just as the brainwashed currently conclude that 'piracy' is wrong because it's illegal and it is illegal because it is wrong.
The VPN provider corporations will 'do a rapidshare'. That is turn over lists of customers to the corporations' private police, where upon everyone on them will get sued. Why not, they will figure if you can afford to pay $20 bucks a month for access to files you can easily afford a couple of hundred a month to stay outta jail.
That is where we are headed slowly but surely because everyone waits for someone else to do something. Don't expect help from the EFF or any other large political organisation. You see they will never bite the hands which feed them, and like every amerikan political organisation, that hand is the same capitalist corporations which the organisation pretends to resist.
The midgets who think those who live outside amerika are jealous of those who live within it should understand we're not jealous, just a bit sad for you and grateful that thus far, we still manage to grow up without the complete indoctrination.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Jul 2011 01:10 Post subject: |
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next step is to cut the net lines and go back to stone age (i prefer ice age cause of the little squrl:)
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ClaudeFTW
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Jul 2011 01:17 Post subject: |
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Lolz, she's Romanian.
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Jul 2011 06:13 Post subject: |
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So the consensus seems to be "piracy isn't real, ISP's are just a tool of the government to keep us all down and. . ." - anything else?
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LuckyStrike
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Jul 2011 07:01 Post subject: |
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CROATOA
| Epsilon wrote: | | Meanwhile the people of that generation will call those guys relics, and not move with the times when everything is auto fucking. |
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